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meditating on Mother Azhagammal's name and form
« on: January 29, 2014, 12:13:12 PM »
Dear Devotees

This topic is not that much discussed though it has very important implications for Sri Ramana devotees.

The worship of Mother Azhagammal's name and  form,  her samadhi worship and the power of her realization.

Many of us do worship Sri Ramana's name and form, do japa of Om Namo Bhagavate Sri Ramanaaya and concentrate on his form as
a regular sadhana.  We also worship his samadhi shrine.

We do worship Mathrubhuteshwara temple and Meru Prasthana Sri Chakra installed over there by Bhagavan's divine touch.

But my point is, we don't associate the importance of Mother Azhagammal's vidheha mukthi or atleast we have not discussed about that.

The Mathrubhuteshwara lingam , the samadhi of Mother Azhagammal and the temple erected over it are not merely symoblic honours
offered to the mortal event of Mother in the sense that she was Sri Ramana's earthly mother.

It has lot more implications.  Mother Azhagammal became a videdha muktha in the final hours due to the Divine Will that acted through Sri Ramana.
If she would have departed by prana leaving the body, then the Samadhi shrine would not have been permitted by Bhagavan. 

So Mother Azhagammal already holy by being Sri Ramana's mother , actually earned this Divine merge by taking help of her son.  Neverthless, she
earned it , she got merged with the Divine in every sense of the term and she became a jnani at the final moments.

Only difference is she did not stay in the body as a jivan muktha, she became a videha muktha jnani.

And our scriptures do not differentiate between jivan muktha and videha muktha in their power to purify other jivas.

Considering all this, I think we all should spend time near Skandashramam room where Mother finally attained Advaita Siddhi and Brahma Sakashatkaram.

Her photo placed in that room is very apt and we all must concentrate on her name and form daily just like we do it with Bhagavan Sri Ramana.

Same is the thing with Sri Mathrubhuteshwara lingam and Sri Chakra. They are not simply temples just like other temples.

They are carrying the samadhi of the powerful jnani and mother of Divine Son Sri Ramana.   

So Mother Azhagammal offers invaluable help to the sincere Sri Ramana devotees when we take efforts to call her help.

I have felt her help in assisting in self enquiry, in clearing confusions and in melting  material difficulties .

Sri Ramana was Shiva and Shakthi is her Mother Azhagammal.

This is like the Sri Ramakrishna -- Sri Sarada devi episode.

Shakthi was required to give out more grace and that is why Mother Azhagammal was chosen as the fit instrument.

So let us all try out to take help from Mother Azhagammal's form and name along with Sri Ramana's name and form.

Om namo bhagavate Sri Ramanaya.

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Re: meditating on Mother Azhagammal's name and form
« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2014, 01:14:22 PM »
Krishna/Friends,

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This is like the Sri Ramakrishna -- Sri Sarada devi episode.

Shakthi was required to give out more grace and that is why Mother Azhagammal was chosen as the fit instrument.

So let us all try out to take help from Mother Azhagammal's form and name along with Sri Ramana's name and form.

Worship of Name and form is meant as an aid;it should not be turned into idolatry.

Namaskar.

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Re: meditating on Mother Azhagammal's name and form
« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2014, 01:23:14 PM »
Dear Krishnan and Ravi,

Yes. Mother Azhagmmal is the Sakti in the Temple.  Without her, Sri Bhagavan and His devotees were eating cold food obtained
in bhiksha.  It is she who started the kitchen fire and started serving hot hot food.  Till today, the fire opened by her has not
extinguished.  Today, devotees and visitors are eating  breakfast, lunch and dinner everyday.  Normally the number is about
100-150.  On festival days like Jayanti, Aradhana and Maha Puja - the crowd crosses 1000.

Arunachala Siva.     

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Re: meditating on Mother Azhagammal's name and form
« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2014, 08:47:59 AM »
Krishna/Friends,

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This is like the Sri Ramakrishna -- Sri Sarada devi episode.

Shakthi was required to give out more grace and that is why Mother Azhagammal was chosen as the fit instrument.

So let us all try out to take help from Mother Azhagammal's form and name along with Sri Ramana's name and form.

Worship of Name and form is meant as an aid;it should not be turned into idolatry.

Namaskar.

Dear Sri Ravi

I don't think it is just an aid sir.  When we read the biography of Chaitanya or Tukaram they really meant the name and form of Hari not just some aid to concentrate and bypass the duality.  Even Thakur expressed the literally translated par devotion with name and form of Kali.  His Guru Bhairavi Brahmi was a very good example.

Mathru Sri Sarada did her sadhana with the same so called idolatry towards her Guru Sri Lakshmana swamy purely by meditating on his name and form for 20 hours a day and dreaming about his name and form in the balance four hours.

God knows our trick , when we just take these names and forms as some illusion and mere idea to grip to , mere aid to grip to,  he will never let us beyond the duality of the world .  It is better for such people to honestly do self enquiry.

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Re: meditating on Mother Azhagammal's name and form
« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2014, 09:47:51 AM »
Krishnan,
Here is a saying of Swami Vivekananda:

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"We may worship anything by seeing God in it, if we can forget the idol and see God there. We must not project any image upon God. But we may fill any image with that Life which is God. Only forget the image, and you are right enough---for "out of Him comes everything". He is everything. We may worship a picture as God, but not God as the picture. God in the picture is right, but the picture as God is wrong. God in the image is perfectly right. There is no danger there. This is the real worship of God".

It is alright if the picture of Sri Bhagavan's mother helps you to invoke the Divine,but your trying to rationalize how Sri Bhagavan's mother is a videhamukta and hence worthy of worship ,and hence all 'Ramana Devotees' should worship her name and form in addition to  Sri Ramana's Name and Form-you may like to examine this-if you wish.

Namaskar.
 

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Re: meditating on Mother Azhagammal's name and form
« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2014, 07:43:31 PM »
Friends,

No one should be worshiped, for it distracts us from self-inquiry and Brahma Jnana .... which alone leads to liberation. Ramana himself never advocated worship as a means, maybe an aid at best, but never the primary means.

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Re: meditating on Mother Azhagammal's name and form
« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2014, 07:18:35 AM »
Krishna,

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God knows our trick , when we just take these names and forms as some illusion and mere idea to grip to , mere aid to grip to,  he will never let us beyond the duality of the world

We need to understand what upAsana means-upAsana(from the root upa)means that which takes us 'near' God,that which seats us near God.Anything that aids us to be close to God is upAsana.
Now we can ask the question-will physical proximity to the object of worship ensure this 'closeness' or oneness?We all know the answer that closeness is all in our heart of hearts-to recognize and feel the closeness in our heart.It is this inner contact that makes the outer image 'alive' and 'Living'.Without this inner contact,the outer form loses its value.

This is how Sri Ramakrishna explains this(an excerpt from The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna):

"There lived in a village a young man named Padmalochan. People used to call him 'Podo',for short. In this village there was a temple in a very dilapidated condition. It contained no image of God. Aswattha and other plants sprang up on the ruins of its walls. Bats lived inside, and the floor was covered with dust and the droppings of the bats. The people of the village had stopped visiting the temple. One day after dusk the villagers heard the sound of
a conch-shell from the direction of the temple. They thought perhaps someone had installed an image in the shrine and was performing the evening worship. One of them softly opened the door and saw Padmalochan standing in a corner, blowing the conch. No image had been set up. The temple hadn't been swept or washed. And filth and dirt lay everywhere. Then he shouted to Podo:
You have set up no image here,
Within the shrine, O fool!
Blowing the conch, you simply make
Confusion worse confounded.
Day and night eleven bats
Scream there incessantly.

Purification of mind
"There is no use in merely making a noise if you want to establish the Deity in the shrine of your heart, if you want to realize God. First of all purify the mind. In the pure heart God takes His seat. One cannot bring the holy image into the temple if the droppings of bats are all around. The eleven bats are our eleven organs: five of action, five of perception, and the mind.
"First of all invoke the Deity, and then give lectures to your heart's content. First of all dive deep. Plunge to the bottom and gather up the gems. Then you may do other things. But nobody wants to plunge. People are without spiritual discipline and prayer, without renunciation and dispassion. They learn a few words and immediately start to deliver lectures. It is difficult to teach others. Only if a man gets a command from God, after realizing Him, is he entitled to teach."

Namaskar.

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Re: meditating on Mother Azhagammal's name and form
« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2014, 11:57:38 AM »
Friends,
Here is a wonderful talk of Swami Vivekananda on 'Bhakti or Devotion' that beautifully covers all that we are discussing here in this thread-Please visit this link:

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Complete_Works_of_Swami_Vivekananda/Volume_2/Bhakti_or_Devotion

Namaskar