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Subramanian.R

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« Reply #15 on: December 26, 2012, 09:13:51 AM »
Dear Tusnim and sanjaya,

Yes. That is why Sri Bhagavan said: "Be as you are. And go by the way as directed by Guru or God."

In a sense, Guru and God are the same.

Arunachala Siva.

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« Reply #16 on: December 26, 2012, 09:27:51 AM »
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So the point is can we say "I dont have to do anything ?" ... anything ? nowhere to go ! Nothing ... just here ... now ... be.

thats liberation.

I think the test of this statement comes when we face a real crisis - in health , finance , relationship etc etc . It is easy to be going with the flow when things are going smoothly but when the tide is against us that is where we need to see how far we can maintain sanity .
I remember an incident  when the Taj was attacked on 26/11 in Mumbai , the GM of the Taj Hotel rang up his mother who was a devoted religious women to inform her that Taj is attacked and that his  own wife and kids are locked up in the 6th floor where the Terrorists where holding ( i.e he was mentioning that there was very little chance of their survival )  , the mother patiently listened and told him "Son accept it as God's will and now focus on  rescuing everyone with the same intensity that you do to rescue your family "
I consider that sort of attitude to be the highest of spiritual maturity i.e being calm and centered  and accepting everything as "God's will " when confronted with a grave personal crisis .

Om Peace .
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« Reply #17 on: December 26, 2012, 09:34:37 AM »
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I consider that sort of attitude to be the highest of spiritual maturity i.e being calm and centered  and accepting everything as "God's will " when confronted with a grave personal crisis .

Very true, sir. In fact, such situations help more than going with the flow. I can vouch on what you mentioned by own life - especially when someone's newborn baby is in ICU for 75 long days and every day morning doctors keep telling you that his survival chance is 10% and all they can tell you is that he is alive today and "we will tell you tomorrow" - then only THIS SUPREME TRUTH can give you strength, else you just collapse. And such incidents are mandatory to test our conviction on this truth.

Sanjay
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« Reply #18 on: December 26, 2012, 09:59:56 AM »
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I consider that sort of attitude to be the highest of spiritual maturity i.e being calm and centered  and accepting everything as "God's will " when confronted with a grave personal crisis .

Very true, sir. In fact, such situations help more than going with the flow. I can vouch on what you mentioned by own life - especially when someone's newborn baby is in ICU for 75 long days and every day morning doctors keep telling you that his survival chance is 10% and all they can tell you is that he is alive today and "we will tell you tomorrow" - then only THIS SUPREME TRUTH can give you strength, else you just collapse. And such incidents are mandatory to test our conviction on this truth.

Sanjay

True Sanjay

Life Test everyone in its own way and we will know for ourselves how much we have been cooked only when we confront such a crisis . But beauty is I have found some people( who many not have read much spiritual books etc )  are blessed with the supreme maturity to face the crisis with a calm and centered mind .
I have one personal incident to relate . When my Mother's elder sister wad diagnosed with Brain  Tumor and was admitted in Adyar Cancer hospital and I had arranged for an auto to make my mother daily to meet her and my mother was praying a lot to all forms of God /Gurus to save her and during one Trip the auto driver after dropping her patiently told "Amma , I am not against   your prayer but Kindly learn to accept the fact that your sister will not live longer ,for  many years I do the job of  taking  many families to Adyar Cancer Hospital and the success rate of people survival is less and every one has to go one day and your sister is also old enough i.e 70+ and her cancer is in advanced stage  .So instead of praying for recovery , pray for her to be relived of her suffering as quick as possible , because it is a torture going through various treatment .Learn to welcome death .It is just another journey . Try to strengthen your sister and her family by keeping them happy and cheerful with all the good memories and incidence of the past " .
This was alike a great wisdom coming from a sage and from that day onwards my mother's attitude towards the entire crisis changed .No doubt we did prayers but we were praying for cessation of her suffering and learned to accept the fact that she will not be alive for much and instead of waiting for a rare miracle we learned to accept the situation and do our work as much as to support their family .No doubt my aunt died and we all wept  but we were  thankful to the almighty to convey his wisdom through that Auto driver and he helped prepare us for this difficult situation .

So bottom line :
We can read all the books and scriptures but the test of the same comes only when we face illness , death , misfortune , family crisis etc face to face .

Om Peace
« Last Edit: December 26, 2012, 10:10:20 AM by atmavichar100 »
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« Reply #19 on: December 26, 2012, 10:11:51 AM »
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But beauty is I have found some people( who many not have read much spiritual books etc )


Yes - not in this life. For example, Bhagawan Ramana Maharshi never had read any spiritual books before he had the famous death experience. So some may be already done with all Veda karmas and reading in past lives. So in this life - they dont seemingly read them. Though all of this is Maya - that is the only answer within maya that one can think of.

Sanjay
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« Reply #20 on: December 26, 2012, 10:18:46 AM »
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But beauty is I have found some people( who many not have read much spiritual books etc )


Yes - not in this life. For example, Bhagawan Ramana Maharshi never had read any spiritual books before he had the famous death experience. So some may be already done with all Veda karmas and reading in past lives. So in this life - they dont seemingly read them. Though all of this is Maya - that is the only answer within maya that one can think of.

Sanjay

Sure

We do not know the past  life samskaras of a person but yet what I was trying to say is sometimes seemingly ordinary people like exhibit enormous spiritual maturity and wisdom when faced a crisis .
I feel all small small problems in our life are good examples to test ourselves how far we remain centered and we do not have to wait for a big crisis to test us . In that way ever day before going to sleep at night we can verify for ourselves how much we remain centered ,how much we allowed ourselves to get agitated unnecessarily .

Om Peace .
However many holy words you read, however many you speak, what good will they do you if you do not act on upon them? - Buddha

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« Reply #21 on: December 26, 2012, 10:57:05 AM »
Dear atmavichar,
      :) One need not read books to get wisdom. One may have a guru, one may have some family member conveying wisdom or one may have read a couple of verses on a notice board somewhere and those lines might have caught attention because , perhaps, the time was ripe.

But Vedanta sravanam is the only systematic thing one can do ...as to when it "Clicks" ... is not easy to say.
If one has done some Sravanam, when the moment is ripe one remembers the right understanding.

Sure Tushnim

We are blessed in our Country to have a formal method of conveying this wisdom plus also the informal method of bringing Ishwara in all our day to day actions and learning to accept everything as the will of God .
Om Peace
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« Reply #22 on: December 26, 2012, 11:06:35 AM »
I feel the Serenity Prayer sums it up very well

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"God give me the courage to change things , that need to be changed and ought to be changed .
Serenity
of mind to accept things that cannot be changed
and Wisdom to know the difference "
Om Peace
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« Reply #23 on: December 26, 2012, 11:06:51 AM »
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We are blessed in our Country to have a formal method of conveying this wisdom plus also the informal method of bringing Ishwara in all our day to day actions and learning to accept everything as the will of God .


So true. Hence, Poonthanam (A great Bhakta from Kerala) sings in his song : "Devas and all great people pray to Lord to give them birth in Bharatha Bhoomi, so that they can attain the Supreme..."

Sanjay
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« Reply #24 on: December 26, 2012, 11:45:01 AM »
Ramana used to say that if one is told "You are not the body" ... they may not understand now, but when time is appropriate that will take effect.

Yes I remember Bhagwan Ramana always giving his "direct path" pointer to everyone who came to him including children , ordinary masses etc and all the ripe and mature souls who came to him got that wisdom very easily .For the unripe or people with excess baggage his pointers were difficult to be understood .
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« Reply #25 on: December 26, 2012, 12:06:58 PM »
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A good guru and an available disciple

When the disciple is available the Guru comes along .Lord Krishna was always available for Arjuna but till Arjuna surrendered himself to Lord Krishna seeking his help he did not start his Gita Upadesh .

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As even Satsangha is an exceptional boon... greatness of satsangha is also indescribable.
Yes true even this forum is a sort of Cyber satsangha for us  :)
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« Reply #26 on: December 26, 2012, 12:09:42 PM »
Yes. Nochur Ji talks about Yazhpanam Yogaswami. In 1889, Swami Vivekananda visited Jaffna and made a deep impression on the 18-year-old yogi. During his visit, a large crowd took him in festive procession along Colombuthurai Road. As he neared the olive (illuppai) tree that Yogaswami later performed his tapas under, Vivekananda stopped the procession and disembarked from his carriage. He explained that this was sacred ground and that he preferred to walk past. He described the area around the tree as an "oasis in the desert." The next day, Yogaswami attended Vivekananda's public speech. Vivekananda began his address with "The time is short but the subject is vast." Yogaswami as a small boy was sitting in first row. He heard the first sentence and walked out of the hall. That one sentence was enough for the camphor inside him to catch FIRE. He became the great yogi - Yazhpanam Yogaswami - and did tapas under the same tree that Swami Vivekananda commented above

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« Reply #27 on: December 26, 2012, 12:17:38 PM »
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Yes. Nochur Ji talks about Yazhpanam Yogaswami.

Yazhpanam Yogaswami also visited Bhagwan Ramana

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yogaswami#cite_note-Lanka.27s_Yogaswami-1
In 1940, Yogaswami went to India on pilgrimage to Banaras and Chidambaram. His letter from Banaras states, "After wanderings far in an earnest quest, I came to Kasi and saw the Lord of the Universe - within myself. The herb that you seek is under your feet."
One day he visited Sri Ramana Maharshi at his Arunachalam Ashram. The two simply sat all afternoon, facing each other in eloquent silence. Not a word was spoken. Back in Jaffna he explained, "We said all that had to be said.
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« Reply #28 on: December 26, 2012, 12:36:42 PM »
Dear atmavichar100,

Yes. There is a reference of the meeting between Sri Bhagavan and Yazhpanam Yogaswami in one of the reminiscences,
may be Kunju Swami's.

Arunachala Siva.