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Nagaraj

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« Reply #60 on: November 19, 2012, 05:50:35 PM »
Dear Nagaraj,
         :) You see me through your interpretations!! which is why all that!

Sri Tushnim, i am giving you the taste of your own sweet to you.

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« Reply #61 on: November 19, 2012, 06:03:25 PM »
udai,
I have seen it;also I have the Tamil verses as well.
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« Reply #62 on: November 19, 2012, 06:05:50 PM »
Dear Balaji,

The Tayumanavar song quoted by Sri Bhagavan is under Siddhar Ganam, under this complete works.
This is as under:-

 கல்லாத பேர்களே நல்லவர்கள் நல்லவர்கள்
      கற்றும்அறி வில்லாதஎன்
   கர்மத்தை யென்சொல்கேன்மதியையென் சொல்லுகேன்
      கைவல்ய ஞானநீதி
நல்லோ ருரைக்கிலோ கர்மமுக் கியமென்று
      நாட்டுவேன் கர்மமொருவன் 
   நாட்டினா லோபழைய ஞானமுக்கியமென்று
      நவிலுவேன் வடமொழியிலே
வல்லா னொருத்தன்வர வுந்த்ரா விடத்திலே
      வந்ததா விவகரிப்பேன்
   வல்லதமி ழறிஞர்வரின் அங்ஙனே வடமொழியி
      வசனங்கள் சிறிதுபுகல்வேன்
வெல்லாம லெவரையும் மருட்டிவிட வகைவந்த
      வித்தையென் முத்திதருமோ
   வேதாந்த சித்தாந்த சமரசநன் னிலைபெற்ற
      வித்தகச் சித்தர்கணமே. 10.

Arunachala Siva.
 

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« Reply #63 on: November 19, 2012, 06:12:50 PM »
udai,
The Intensity and onepointedness are key and it should be antarmukha;the moment we say 'I am liberated' and 'I am relaxed',the mind has  lost the intensity required to push further and has become externalized,bahirmuka.We then rush to tell others we have 'arrived'.
I have posted the wood cutter story narrated by sri Ramakrishna that highlights this aspect.
Namaskar.

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« Reply #64 on: November 19, 2012, 06:13:14 PM »
yes, it reminds me of nirvana satakam.

http://www.swamij.com/shankara-atma-shatakam.htm

Mano Buddhi Ahankara Chitta Ninaham
Nacha Shrotra Jihve Na Cha Ghrana Netre
Nacha Vyoma Bhoomir Na Tejo Na Vayu
Chidananda Rupa Shivoham Shivoham
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I am not mind, nor intellect, nor ego,
    nor the reflections of inner self (chitta). [more]
I am not the five senses. [more]
I am beyond that.
I am not the ether, nor the earth,
    nor the fire, nor the wind (the five elements).
I am indeed,
    That eternal knowing and bliss, Shiva,
    love and pure consciousness.


So nothing wrong in reminding ourselves who we are.
ఓం  నమో  భగవతే  శ్రీ  రమణాయ   
ప్రశాంత్  జలసూత్రం
ప్రేమే శాశ్వతము

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« Reply #65 on: November 19, 2012, 06:20:51 PM »
Prashant,
Yes,all these are excellent sadhana and benefits the sadhaka.No two opinions on that.It is indeed beneficial to remind ourselves of our true nature.
Namaskar.

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« Reply #66 on: November 19, 2012, 06:44:47 PM »
Dear Friends, I think that is nothing wrong in Sri Tushnim interpretation. If he believes he is not bound,who can say he is not telling the Truth. We all are holding to some words of Bhagavan and Others,and those same words cannot apply on everyone or anytime. One can have conviction that he is not bound only after doing some sadhana and selfinquiry,and learn to discriminate betwean real and not real. Sri Nisargadatta also said having known that You are the All Pervading Absolute,and when you stabilize in that conviction act accordingly,and live your truth. With every person is guite different,but conviction I am not bound is good conviction. With love and prayers,
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« Reply #67 on: November 19, 2012, 06:54:08 PM »
One believing, affirming oneself not bound is appreciative, but "I am brahman" doesn't!




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« Reply #68 on: November 19, 2012, 06:57:27 PM »
Infact, even nirvAna shatkam says shivA am I, this is bhakti bhAvA

no body has said "Aham BrahmAsmi" because, there can be no ego left to say that.




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« Reply #69 on: November 19, 2012, 07:14:10 PM »
Dear Sri Nagaraj, If someone says I am Brahman,he doasnt say I am realised. Those are two different things. His conviction doasnt imply He is egoistic,or not,like conviction I am humble doasnt mean someone dont have an ego. Vivekananda also said You are Divine,and He have an ego,but that doasnt mean He was not right.
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« Reply #70 on: November 19, 2012, 07:24:15 PM »
Dear Sri Nagaraj, If someone says I am Brahman,he doasnt say I am realised. Those are two different things. His conviction doasnt imply He is egoistic,or not,like conviction I am humble doasnt mean someone dont have an ego. Vivekananda also said You are Divine,and He have an ego,but that doasnt mean He was not right.

Dear Sri Jewel,

I do not know for what you are saying this to me, but what you have said, should hold true to me as well, as it is! if i have said something is not right in spirit, it doesn't mean it is meant somebody is saying he is realised or egoistic. my conviction too doesn't imply that i am pin pointing somebody just for argument sake, I am harsh, doesn't mean there is no humility.

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« Reply #71 on: November 19, 2012, 07:39:19 PM »
Dear Nagaraj,

Your reply 155. See what Manikkavachagar says:


வேண்டத்தக்க தறிவோய்நீ வேண்டமுழுதுந் தருவோய்நீ
வேண்டும் அயன்மாற் கரியோய்நீ வேண்டி என்னைப் பணிகொண்டாய்
வேண்டி நீயா தருள்செய்தாய் யானும் அதுவே வேண்டின் அல்லால்
வேண்டும் பரிசொன் றுண்டென்னில் அதுவும் உன்றன் விருப்பன்றே. 501

அன்றே என்றன் ஆவியும் உடலும் எல்லாமுங்
குன்றே அனையாய் என்னைஆட் கொண்டபோதே கொண்டிலையோ
இன்றோர் இடையூ றெனக்குண்டோ எண்தோள் முக்கண் எம்மானே
நன்றே செய்வாய் பிழை செய்வாய் நானோ இதற்கு நாயகமே. 502

நாயிற் கடையாம் நாயேனை நயந்துநீயே ஆட்கொண்டாய்
மாயப் பிறவி உன்வசமே வைத்திட்டிருக்கும் அதுவன்றி
ஆயக்கடவேன் நானோதான் என்ன தோஇங் கதிகாரங்
காயத் திடுவாய் உன்னுடைய கழற்கீழ் வைப்பாய் கண்ணுதலே. 503

No other poet has explained saranagati as beautifully as this.

Arunachala Siva. 

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« Reply #72 on: November 19, 2012, 07:40:41 PM »
Dear Sri Nagaraj, I only gave my opinion on that what You have said. I said it to You for the simple reason You answered on my general thinking about this subject. And no one said You are pin pointing on someone. I gave my opinion on subject not on You. With love and prayers,
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« Reply #73 on: November 19, 2012, 07:48:02 PM »
Subramanian Sir,

How much the expressions resonates within, and how much small it makes us.




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« Reply #74 on: November 19, 2012, 08:38:55 PM »
Friends,
Freedom and Bondage-what do these words mean?Do we see this as Freedom:

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"What is knowledge? And what is the nature of this ego? 'God alone is the Doer, and none else' - that is knowledge. I am not the doer; I am a mere instrument in His hand. Therefore I say: 'O Mother, Thou art the Operator and I am the machine. Thou art the Indweller and I am the house. Thou art the Driver and I am the carriage. I move as Thou movest me. I do as Thou makest me do. I speak as Thou makest me speak. Not I, not I, but Thou, but Thou.' "-Sri Ramakrishna


Does this sound like Freedom as we understand in the usual sense of the term?When the sense of 'I' and 'mine' is annihilated there is Freedom.

What is Bondage?

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"The bound creatures, entangled in worldliness, will not come to their senses at all. They suffer so much misery and agony, they face so many dangers, and yet they will not wake up.
"The camel loves to eat thorny bushes. The more it eats the thorns, the more the blood gushes from its mouth. Still it must eat thorny plants and will never give them up. The man of worldly nature suffers so much sorrow and affliction, but he forgets it all in a few days and begins his old life over again. Suppose a man has lost his wife or she has turned unfaithful. Lo! He marries again".
"There is another characteristic of the bound soul. If you remove him from his worldly surroundings to a spiritual environment, he will pine away. The worm that grows in filth feels very happy there. It thrives in filth. It will die if you put it in a pot of rice."-Sri Ramakrishna
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The Bhagavad Gita (7.16) describes four kinds of people who worship God: the afflicted, those desiring prosperity, the seekers of knowledge, and the knowers of God.

The afflicted pray to God for relief from physical and mental problems. These could range from anxiety or stress to complicated diseases of body and mind. Finding other means inadequate, such devotees pray to God, placing their trust in Him.

Devotees of the second kind pray to God for worldly prosperity: wealth and enjoyment, name and fame, power and position, and so on.

What is the meaning and purpose of human life? How are we to deal with evil? Does God exist? Is there a soul behind the body and the mind? What happens at death? These are questions that all of us encounter sometime or other, after we have had our share of pleasure and pain, success and failure, and praise and blame in the world. Most people brush aside these thoughts and continue with their humdrum life. There are some, however, who take them seriously. They turn to God for answers. They are seekers of knowledge, and belong to the third kind of devotees.
There is the fourth kind—those who have known God. Why do they worship God? “He who knows the Supreme Brahman verily becomes Brahman,” says the Mundaka Upanishad (3.2.9). Such devotees see God, the supreme Spirit, in others as well as in themselves. Their lives are a blessing to humanity, and everything they do is worship of God.
Sri Krishna says that all four kinds of devotees are noble-hearted, but He considers the knowers of God to be His very Self (Bhagavad Gita, 7.18). The first two kinds of devotees turn to God to realize their worldly ambitions, instead of merely relying on their ego to manipulate things. And, in due course, turning to God can become a habit with them, helping them to turn to Him for devotion and Knowledge. When they become seekers of devotion and Knowledge, they long to love God and know God alone. True religion, true devotion, begins at that stage.

What matters is not to think in terms of  freedom or bondage,but to be jijnAsus.This is the most objective perspective.
Namaskar.