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Re: Thought of urges while meditating.
« Reply #45 on: October 01, 2012, 02:18:36 PM »
Dear Tushnim,

If you really are having a bhavana, that thoughts are unreal, you need not get rid of them.

But do we really treat thoughts as unreal? A news comes from Indonesia that there is an earth quake, followed by tsunami,
Your son or daughter is living there. Does not this thought about tsunami unreal?  If it is unreal, then you should not become
restless and perspiring, till you get a call from your son or daughter that he or she is well and unaffected.

Thoughts can be unreal only for a person who has reached that stage that all thoughts have no phenomenal truth.

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« Reply #46 on: October 01, 2012, 02:49:46 PM »
Dear Tushnim,

Let the thoughts be real or shadows. Ignore the thoughts. How? Sri Bhagavan says: Keep one thought ( a god's name)
and try to concentrate on that. Then other thoughts, though they are, do not obstruct your meditation.

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« Reply #47 on: October 01, 2012, 02:57:25 PM »
Dear Tushnim,

Yes. One has to continue to ignore them with other noble thoughts.

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« Reply #48 on: October 01, 2012, 06:13:06 PM »
Dear Tushnim,

It is not running way and fear. If you are collecting garbage and put it in a net white carry bag and throw it way, is it due to fear
of garbage. Like that, we substitute a thought, a good thought of God to replace the unwanted thoughts. It is only to purify the mind.
Sri Bhagavan says that all moortrhi dhyanam, japam etc., are only to control the unwanted thoughts, As you keep on controlling them,
they will cease to reappear as the soldiers if one by one get killed from a fort, the fort becomes empty.

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« Reply #49 on: October 01, 2012, 06:48:28 PM »
Dear Tushnim,

Your comparisons are wrong, Thoughts are not like  wound. They only disturb your mind.  They can be jettisoned by one single
thought on God. Thoughts on god do jettison the other thoughts. in course of time, as the single thought on god continues to
occupy my mind, other thoughts   disappear, as the Sun when appears, the previous nights' wet monsoon ground dries up.
That is any ancient Hindu system prescribed continuous japas, dhyana and yagnas. When one's mind is constantly engaged
in such activities, mind gets purified and there will be no unwanted thoughts.

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« Reply #50 on: October 01, 2012, 07:21:11 PM »
Dear Tushinm,

This is a very different situation,. This is not merely a thought. It is an intense feeling removing the sour relationship either
by positive approach or court intervention. What Sri Bhagavan refers is that jungle of thoughts that disturb your mind.
These only can be warded off by single thought on God.

A murderer cannot escape police arrest by merely doing japas. These are different kettles.

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Re: Thought of urges while meditating.
« Reply #51 on: October 01, 2012, 07:52:40 PM »
Dear Tushnim,

These are not all desires. They come from greed etc., Self Inquiry speaks only about mind, thoughts (mind's gross form),
how to bring the mind to its source etc., It has no prescription for greed and lust, anger, jealousy. etc., These have to be
tackled with dispassion and discrimination etc., These are also essential to keep the pure mind but not directly concerned
with them.

At this rate, you may ask, whether there is any prescription for cancer, diabetes, hypertension etc. Sri Bhagavan Himself applied
medicated oil for His rheumatism.  He agreed for surgeries for cancer. By His state of Jnana Bodha and ignoring body consciousness,
He put up with them with least worry. The Self Inquiry is for the mind control and not body ailments.


Dear tushnim, please reserve your further questions for Wednesday. Today again, it has become too many.
     
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Re: Thought of urges while meditating.
« Reply #52 on: October 01, 2012, 08:49:07 PM »
Dear Tushnim

Lust anger etc., are mental modifications. They are not wounds. Because you cannot apply ointment on the head, the lust, anger, greed etc., will not vanish. Wound primarily deals with the body  ailments for which cure is surgery or ointment.

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Re: Thought of urges while meditating.
« Reply #53 on: October 03, 2012, 12:26:47 PM »
Dear Tushnim,

It is not so. Various thoughts like jungle of thoughts smother us. Now how to make them go? How to get rid of the rats at home?
Keep a cat. This cat is the thought of chanting japa mantra. Once you become mature to avoid thoughts, then cat is also not
necessary. One can remain summa in a thoughtless state, without even japa, mantra, puja etc.,

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« Reply #54 on: October 03, 2012, 12:37:36 PM »
Dear Tushnim,

You are always Awareness.

You are always Still (summa)

But most of us are not like this. We are not able to experience to Awareness, because the mind jumps out and does
a million mischiefs.

We are not able to Summa because again mind creates problem.

As a seeker gains maturity, then he will realize that mind does not do its monkey jobs nor is there any attempt to remain
Summa, because we are always Still.

Stillness is another name for Atma, It is Achalam, non moving.

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Re: Thought of urges while meditating.
« Reply #55 on: October 03, 2012, 12:47:20 PM »
Dear Tushnim,

To ask why I am not summa, is the beginning of inquiry. Constant efforts and practice makes one to be ever in summa.

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Re: Thought of urges while meditating.
« Reply #56 on: October 03, 2012, 02:10:36 PM »
Dear Tushnim,'

Yes. Thoughts drag you. But it is only for this purpose, Sri Bhagavan said that one name of god will keep away the other
thoughts. The Elephant always swings its trunk and try to hold some tree branch, or a person on the road etc., To avoid
this elephant grabbing these trees or persons, one chain is given to that. Then it will hold on to the chain and avoid doing
other grabbing. Is it not?

Arunachala Siva .