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Jyoti

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Bhagavad Gita 16:18-20
« on: March 26, 2012, 02:13:56 AM »
I found these verses here.
Verse 20 says:
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O Arjuna entering demonic wombs birth after birth, these fools receive an even more abominable destination unable to achieve me.
Does this mean that some being that has fallen into this state can never become enlightened?
Did Bhagavan say something about this?
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Re: Bhagavad Gita 16:18-20
« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2012, 07:59:33 PM »
But what about those who are born as an animal or a plant?
They cannot even think, what chance do they have?

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Re: Bhagavad Gita 16:18-20
« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2012, 08:09:20 PM »
Dear Jyoti,

Who said that animal or plant cannot think or have a mind? All plants and animals do have a mind, and perhaps there
though process may not be very cumbersome like ours.  Why should a cat wait at the entrance of a hole, where rat
had hidden itself? Why should it wait for it to come out? Without a mind and thought, how can this happen?

Again plants. Some plants (not in India) wait for a worm to crawl on its leaf and suddenly closes the leaf and opens it
after some time. The worm is not there!

Very rarely, very rarely, a coconut falls on a person's head and injures him. 99.999% it does  fall only on an empty ground.
Why?

Some birds from South America come to a particular bird sanatorium every year, at a particular season. It is in Karnataka.
There you can see 10000 birds not belonging to India. How did they come?  Without mind, or intuition or intellect?
Think over.

Birds, animals and plants do have a mind and thought process. But not villainous thought process like humans. Simple
thought process to get a prey for food etc.,  That is why, there vasanas are also very less. Sri Bhagavan did not stay at
Cow Lakhsmi's shed, till her last minute, unlike in the case of His mother. He said: Why should I wait? She will soon attain
liberation and whatever few vasanas were there, they had already been cleaned up.


Arunachala Siva.         

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Re: Bhagavad Gita 16:18-20
« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2012, 09:01:33 PM »
Why should a cat wait at the entrance of a hole, where rat
had hidden itself? Why should it wait for it to come out? Without a mind and thought, how can this happen?
Instinct. And they smell the rat.
Again plants. Some plants (not in India) wait for a worm to crawl on its leaf and suddenly closes the leaf and opens it
after some time. The worm is not there!
Instinct & reflex (to close the leaf).
Very rarely, very rarely, a coconut falls on a person's head and injures him. 99.999% it does  fall only on an empty ground.
Why?
That is the Karma of the person standing under the tree.
The tree has nothing to do with it.
Some birds from South America come to a particular bird sanatorium every year, at a particular season. It is in Karnataka.
There you can see 10000 birds not belonging to India. How did they come?  Without mind, or intuition or intellect?
This is neighter intuition not intellect, it is just that evolution has given them the instinct to fly to this place at that time.

In regard to the verses of the Bhagavad Gita again: When someone has fallen down so low that he has been born as a leaf, and when this leaf is offered to god in a puja - does this being gain freedom then?

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Re: Bhagavad Gita 16:18-20
« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2012, 11:35:11 AM »
Dear Jyoti,

Instinct, reflexes, intuitions are all part of mind.

When you inadvertently touch the kitchen fire, does your hand move away on its own unless mind guides it? It is reflex action
guided and controlled by the mind only.
 
Arunachala Siva.