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Long back, when there were not many people in the Ashram, one of the attendants of Bhagavan used to wait until Bhagavan had finished eating and then used to have
his food on Bhagavan’s leaf. Gradually Asramites and old devotees began asking for that leaf and getting it.

So long as rival claims for the leaf did not take a serious turn,Bhagavan did not take much notice of it. A plate also had to be placed before the leaf for washing his hands.

As soon as he went away after washing his hands, that water also used to be taken in like tirtha (holy water). In due course,these two practices of the Asramites went beyond the Ashram precincts and spread to Ramana Nagar also.

One day the mother of a wealthy devotee came there during lunch time and stood by the side of Bhagavan.

Seeing her, Bhagavan said, “Why don’t you sit down for meals?” She did not do so. Bhagavan understood the purpose but kept quiet as if he did not know anything.

On the other side, the granddaughter of another devotee,aged eight, stood with a tumbler in her hand.

Noticing her also, Bhagavan said, “Why are you also standing? Sit down and eat food.” “No,” she said. “Then why have you come? What is that tumbler for?” asked Bhagavan.

After all, she was an unsophisticated child, and so, not knowing it to be a secret, said, “Grandmother has sent me to fetch tirtham.” Bhagavan could not contain his anger any longer and so said, “I see. That is the thing.

This child is waiting for tirtham and that lady for the leaf; that is it, isn’t it?”

When he thus asked with a commanding tone, one of the people near him said, “Yes.” “I have been noticing this nonsense for some time now,” he said.

“They think that Swami sits in the hall with closed eyes and does not notice any of these things. I did not want to interfere in such matters all these days, but there does not seem to be any limit to them.


Tirthas and prasadas out of uchishtam (food and water left as a remainder) and people to take turns for them! Look! Henceforth, I will not wash my hands in the plate, not even anywhere about this place. I will not leave the leaf here and go. I myself will remove it and throw it away.

You understand? All of you join together and do these things. This is the only punishment.” So saying and repeating several other charges for a long time, Bhagavan folded his leaf after eating food and then got up with the used leaf in his hand.

However much people there begged of him, he did not give them the leaf, but went up the hill and, after turning a corner, threw it away and then washed his hands there. Eventually the Asramites prayed and assured him that they would stop those undesirable practices.

He said, “When everyone removes his used leaf and throws it away, why should I leave mine?” Until 1943, after meals, everyone used to remove their leaf and throw it away. That practice was changed only after this incident.

After all the Asramites swore that they themselves would remove all the leaves and throw them away along with Bhagavan’s leaf, he reluctantly began leaving his leaf there.

But even till today he has been washing his hands outside,near the steps leading into the hall. If anybody requested him to wash his hands in a plate, he would say, “Will you provide all these people with plates? If all the others do not have them,why do I require one?” What reply could we give him?

Source: Letters from Sri Ramanasramam VOLUMES I, II & Letters from and Recollections of Sri Ramanasramam By SURI NAGAMMA Translated by D. S. SASTRI
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Re: devotees consider food and water left of ramana's plate as sacred
« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2010, 01:06:55 PM »
Bhagavan Ramana never accepted any practice that would edify
Him.  Some of these things happened without His knowledge for
some time and He promptly stopped them whenever detected.

People who were eating on His left-over leaf, had some differentiation
too!  Whenever Mudaliar Patti's rice ball with ghee was served,
they would not eat on that leaf,  casteism!  So normally this happened
only after night meals.  Tirtham business was of course happening
on daytime too!

Once Muruganar wanted to take food on the left over leaf of
Bhagavan Ramana.  When Muruganar was about to sit on the leaf,
someone said:  It is not now.  Mudaliar Patti's food has been served
on this!  He took away the leaf immediately.  Muruganar was also
terribly disappointed.  He composed a verse immediately.  It starts
as Thacchariyatha Chaturmarai Paarpan..... and it appears in
Sri Ramana Sannidhi Murai. The meaning runs somewhat as under:

Brahma, the Creator who mastered all the Vedas,
Does not know even how to give me a proper birth,
He had given me a useless Brahmin birth
If it had been a dog's birth, I would have gladly eaten
Bhagavan's Ucchishtam*, O what a pity of this birth!

This verse is titled Ucchishta Vaibhavam.  Ucchishtam is called
the left overs ( of a guru or husband or god.)

Arunachala Siva.

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Re: devotees consider food and water left of ramana's plate as sacred
« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2010, 01:23:15 PM »
Wow what a pity for those devotees who showed caste feeling even in bhagavan's presence.!!!!!!!

This is the biggest problem even in A.P also.

Anyhow thanks a lot Subramanian garu for the info.


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Re: devotees consider food and water left of ramana's plate as sacred
« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2010, 01:36:45 PM »
" Sadham" means food or offering.  "Prasadam" means that which
has been sanctified by a guru or god.  "Prasadam also means
the boons, more importantly self-realization,  given by the Guru or God.  Muruganar has titled one of his poetic compositions as
Sri Guru Ramana Prasadam.  This is part of Sri Ramana Anubhuti.
Both have been published by Sri Ramanasramam, as two different books.  Of these, Sri Guru Ramana Prasadam has been rendered in English, by Robert Butler. The original title was Non Dual Consciousness.  Robert Butler, revised the entire book and re-wrote
and re-titled it as Sri Guru Ramana Prasadam.

Arunachala Siva.