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"mano" equations
« on: January 11, 2010, 04:48:49 PM »
In recent times circumstances have made me a little mathematical.
So I felt like playing with equations..

This is an equation of state:
state = x*vasanas + y*thoughts_rising

I was considering these equations:
manolaya = many*vasanas + 0*thoughts_rising
manonasa = 0*vasanas + many*thoughts_rising

No conclusions, just joy of exploring.
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Re: "mano" equations
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2010, 04:55:24 PM »
Dear silentgreen,

Your post.

I think, mano-nasa = 0 vasanas + a few thoughts rising.

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« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2010, 09:02:34 PM »
Dear I,

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I think, mano-nasa = 0 vasanas + a few thoughts rising.

The one that is saying this is Mind itself, because its only agenda is to keep going, continuity.

'I' is there, then all equations are there,

'I' is not there, then there are no equations at all.

Even for thoughts to exist, there must be someone to possess them, the one desirous of possessing them is 'I', Mind, thoughts themselves.

Thoughts are nothing but Vasanas themselves.

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« Last Edit: January 11, 2010, 09:06:07 PM by Nagaraj »



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Re: "mano" equations
« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2010, 08:13:45 AM »
Dear Subramanian.R,

What you say is more appropriate.
However to preserve the diagonal beauty of the equations (as mathematicians like) I would replace "many" with "some" in both the equations. "Some" can signify both few and quite a bit depending on the context.

So the equations become:
state = x*vasanas + y*thoughts

manolaya = some*vasanas + 0*thoughts
manonasa = 0*vasanas + some*thoughts


Dear Nagaraj,

What you raised is a good point.
Can thoughts exist without vasanas?

Substituting the condition that thoughts cannot exist without vasanas, I get:
manolaya = 0*vasanas + 0*thoughts = 0
manonasa = 0*vasanas + 0*thoughts = 0
So manolaya = manonasa

It is threatening the validity of the equations themselves.
No conclusions but simple explorations.
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« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2010, 08:17:53 AM »
Dear I,

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It is threatening the validity of the equations themselves.

Yes it is, it is a threat of life, or death itself for the mind, thought, ego, I. But some how, this mind/ego/I/thought wants to strike a compromise the best of both sides, it wants to continue to be there along with 'Self defined realisation' hence it keeps arriving at various different options and conclusions, because it wants to be there all the time!

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« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2010, 05:41:07 PM »
Today I was trying out some new equations:

consciousness_in_deep_sleep + thoughts = jagrat
so, jagrat - thoughts = consciousness_in_deep_sleep

However Jnanis are said to have no thoughts in jagrat but their state cannot be said to be consciousness_in_deep_sleep.

Do I need to frame another equation,
state_of_jnani + thoughts = jagrat?

But then I fall into an even greater trouble:
consciousness_in_deep_sleep = state_of_jnani

I am running into fallacies since learning equations.
Since all these are thoughts, why fret the small stuff?
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« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2010, 08:56:50 PM »
Dear I,

Honestly, how much ever, clues you try to gather about the state of consciousness, it is always going to fall short. because by ascertaining these equations, only the mind is being fueled, so that this mind can try and be like the consciousness. Mind has to cease completely.

Those equations may seem correct only to the extent of what the Mind sees the Perfect Self to be.

The Self is beyond all these possible equations and anything the Mind can comprehend!

Those equations you mentioned are definitely very carefully analysed ones by the mind. It may seem to give great sense of achievement of knowing the reality of Realisation and the Self, but it is all just thoughts and Mind only. This is what the Mind is doing - it keeps giving out thoughts so that thoughts can continue!

Manonasam is inevitable.

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« Last Edit: January 13, 2010, 09:11:05 PM by Nagaraj »



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Re: "mano" equations
« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2010, 10:29:18 AM »
Dear Nagaraj,

What you say is correct.
However much we analyze with the mind, it will fall short (although it may give good indications).
That is the "humour".
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« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2010, 12:21:01 PM »
Dear silentgreen, Nagaraj,

There is a book called The Chess Mind, written by Gerald Abrams.
This book analyzes the mind of grandmasters in chess.  Some
of them like Alekine, (who became a world champion at a young
age), was literally a madcap.  He was not fit for anything else
in life.  But before a chessboard, his mind got oriented somehow
and he played wonderful chess.  The chess superstar of recent
times, Bobby Fischer was also an eccentric.  He always preferred
a room without glass windows.  He defeated Boris Spassky and
became the first American World Champion.  After the first game,
which he had lost he was 0-1, the second game he defaulted by
not appearing in time, he was 0-2.  From the third game, he showed
his prowess and became 12.50-6.50, (with three games to spare!)
and became the world champion.

In the case of some painters like Van Gogh, they were excellent
painters.  But in normal life, they were eccentric.  He was not goodlooking but he loved a girl.  When that girl said that his ears
were not beautiful, he cut off his ears and sent them to his girlfriend.

In case of Frederich Nietszhe, he was a madcap.  But he did not
believe in God and found a new religion with the head as Zarathustra. (This is not to be confused by Zorastrianism of Parsis.)
His famous book is Thus Spake Zarathustra.  In his old age he
became sick and totally mad and was lying in bed with heavy
medication.  Someone was reading his book Thus Spake Zarathustra
sitting at his bedside.  Niteszhe told him:  "What a beautiful
writing!  I have also written some books like that!"

The great mathematical wizard Srinivasa Ramanujan, who died
at his middle age due tp tuberculosis, was a prodigy in Numerical equations.  He was sent to Cambridge specially for research, though he was not even a graduate. Some of his theorems in his Last Note Book, are yet to be solved!  You can read the book, The Man who
knew Infinity to know more about Ramanujan.

The mind is a wondrous power in Atma Swarupa..... says Bhagavan Ramana in His Who am I?   That is why all seekers try to kill this mind or kill the thoughts to reach the Self.  Mind manifests the world
and until and unless the world disappears the Self will not reveal
itself. These two are like the typical advaitic paradox, rope and the
snake.

Arunachala Siva.