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General topics / What makes Ramana so great
« on: March 04, 2011, 04:55:00 PM »
Recently an American teacher disrobed himself (stopped being a Buddhist teacher) because of sexual misconduct, lies and other bad behaviour. Prior to that he had emphazised that "students have to find a way to  submit to their teacher,” and “to come under the teacher". And this is a very common teaching among fake "gurus" all over the world. They say that they are higher and greater than you so you have to submit to them and give them power over you. Ramana Maharshi was very different in that perspective. Not only did he not teach this, but when people wanted to give Him this power over them, He always refused and gave the power back to the one who offered it and directed their attention towards the seekers themselves.

Often people also wanted Ramana to accept them as His disciples, but He always refused and used to say that Real Master is within and He is in fact our own Self.

Questioner: "You must take pity on me Bhagavan. Hold me by the neck and see that I don’t fall and get injured."
Maharshi: "That is impossible. It is necessary both for you to strive and for the Guru to help."

Questioner: Sadguru is necessary to guide me to understand it.
Maharshi: The sadguru is within.

Questioner: I want a visible Guru.
Maharshi: That visible Guru says that he is within.

"Man's greatest mistake is to think that he is by nature weak and evil. Every human being is Divine and powerful in his true nature. Weak and evil are only his habits, desires and thoughts, but not himself."

I am not saying that gurus are useless, but they are helpful and truthful only when they are guiding seekers to find their inner guru that is the Self.

General topics / Anthony de Mello: "Life is easy and delightful!"
« on: February 17, 2011, 02:23:11 PM »
"Happiness is our natural state. Happiness is the natural state of little children, to whom the kingdom belongs until they have been polluted and contaminated by the stupidity of society and culture. To acquire happiness you don't have to do anything, because happiness cannot be acquired. Does anybody know why? Because we have it already. How can you acquire what you already have? Then why don't you experience it? Because you've got to drop something. You've got to drop illusions. You don't have to add anything in order to be happy; you've got to drop something. Life is easy, life is delightful. It's only hard on your illusions, your ambitions, your greed, your cravings. Do you know where these things come from? From having identified with all kinds of labels!"

Anthony de Mello was an Indian Jesuit priest who was much loved by ordinary christians, but censured by the Vatican and disapproved by some cardinals and catholic leaders, because his teachings were often quite different from the mainstream dogmas.

de Mello:
"If you're lucky and the gods are gracious or if you are gifted with divine grace (use any theological expression you want), you might suddenly understand who "I" is, and you will never be the same again, never. Nothing will ever be able to touch you again and no one will ever be able to hurt you again.

You will fear no one and you will fear nothing. Isn't that extraordinary? You'll live like a king, like a queen. This is what it means to live like royalty. Not rubbish like getting your picture in the newspapers or having a lot of money. That's a lot of rot. You fear no one because you're perfectly content to be nobody. You don't give a damn about success or failure. They mean nothing. Honor, disgrace, they mean nothing! If you make a fool of yourself, that means nothing either. Isn't that a wonderful state to be in! Some people arrive at this goal painstakingly, step by step, through months and weeks of self-awareness. But I'll promise you this: I have not known a single person who gave time to being aware who didn't see a difference in a matter of weeks. The quality of their life changes, so they don't have to take it on faith anymore. They see it; they're different. They react differently. In fact, they react less and act more. You see things you've never seen before."

You're much more energetic, much more alive. People think that if they had no cravings, they'd be like deadwood. But in fact they'd lose their tension. Get rid of your fear of failure, your tensions about succeeding, you will be yourself. Relaxed. You wouldn't be driving with your brakes on. That's what would happen." --

Waking up is painful

"Most people tell you they want to get out of kindergarten, but don't believe them. Don't believe them! All they want you to do is to mend their broken toys. "Give me back my wife. Give me back my job. Give me back my money. Give me back my reputation, my success." This is what they want; they want their toys replaced. That's all. Even the best psychologist will tell you that, that people don't really want to be cured. What they want is relief; a cure is painful.

Waking up is unpleasant, you know. You are nice and comfortable in bed. It's irritating to be woken up. That's the reason the wise guru will not attempt to wake people up. I hope I'm going to be wise here and make no attempt whatsoever to wake you up if you are asleep. It is really none of my business, even though I say to you at times, "Wake up!" My business is to do my thing, to dance my dance. If you profit from it, fine; if you don't, too bad! As the Arabs say, "The nature of rain is the same, but it makes thorns grow in the marshes and flowers in the gardens."

Humour / Amusing story
« on: October 22, 2010, 04:47:55 PM »
-- While all this talk was going on, Dr. Srinivasa Rao was
massaging Bhagavan’s feet which had some rheumatic trouble.
Bhagavan humorously remarked, “Doctor is now giving diksha
to me by touch.” About 15 days ago, when the Doctor was
massaging Bhagavan’s feet, Bhagavan asked him to stop,
saying, “What you have done is enough. You may go and sit
down. I shall do some massaging myself and get some punya (spiritual merit).
Why should you alone have all the punya?” and began
massaging himself.

(Day by Day with Bhagavan p. 27)

These are the quotes that in my opinion summarise the essence of the investigation of the self.

If one watches where the notion of ‘I’ springs, the mind will be absorbed into that. That is tapas. If a mantra is repeated and attention is directed to the source where the mantra sound is produced, the mind will be absorbed into that. That is tapas.”

"Self-enquiry is certainly not an empty formula and it is more than the repetition of any mantra. If the enquiry `Who am I?' were a mere mental Questioning, it would not be of much value. The very purpose of self-enquiry is to focus the entire mind at its source. It is not, therefore, a case of one `I' searching for another `I'. Much less is self-enquiry an empty formula, for it involves an intense activity of the entire mind to keep it steadily poised in pure Self-awareness."

"Breath and mind arise from the same source and when one of them is controlled the other is also controlled. As a matter of fact, in the quest method — which is more correctly `Whence am I?’ and not merely `Who am I?’ — we are not simply trying to eliminate, saying `We are not the body, nor
the senses and so on’, to reach what remains as the ultimate reality, but we are trying to find out whence the `I-thought’ or the ego arises within us. The method contains within it, though implicitly and not expressly, the watching of the breath. When we watch wherefrom the `I-thought’ arises, we are necessarily watching the source of breath also, as the `I-thought’ and the breath arise from the same source."

D: "How to make the Quest, ‘Who am I?’
M: "The way is subjective, not objective; so it cannot and need not be shown by another. Is it necessary to show anyone the way inside his own house? If the seeker keeps his mind still, that will be enough."

And from another talk with Bhagavan

"D.: I do not understand what I should do.
M: If it is anything objective the way can be shown objectively. This
is subjective.

D.: But I do not understand.
M.: What! Do you not understand that you are?
D.: Please tell me the way.
M.: Is it necessary to show the way in the interior of your own home?
This is within you."

General topics / How do you practice self-enquiry?
« on: January 28, 2010, 12:33:19 AM »
I've noticed that people give different instructions how to do this practice. Subramanian.R said:

"Who am I? is the greatest devotion.  Hence this thought should
be retained till it matures into surrender."

But others say that it is only important to give attention to this sense I am. So how do you do it? Do you mentally (verbally) say these enquiries "Who am I", "Whence am I" or do you just come back to the sense of being if you get lost in thought?

General topics / Tinnitus - buzzing in the ears
« on: January 20, 2010, 11:51:32 PM »
My left ear is almost deaf and I suffer from tinnitus almost all the time. Well I only suffer from it during the night but it is present always. I wonder if there is any mantras or other ways that it could be removed.

General topics / Does a jnani have "moods"?
« on: January 18, 2010, 05:04:02 PM »
Hey guys. I listened to Shinzen Young's interview ( about 103-year-old zen master Joshu Sasaki Roshi. He is now the oldest buddhist teacher in the world. I have read a lot of people having amazing experiences in his presence.
One person said:

"Of the handful of reputed spiritual teachers that I have been able to sit with or speak to, this man had the most remarkable stillness. His energy field was completely still, yet radiant - not even a shutter of movement in his energy. To this day, I have never seen another person who was so still within. -- Yet my direct experience of this roshi - his stillness, depth, and radiance - confirmed that he had experienced this state deeper than anyone I had met before (or to this day)."

In my opinion Sasaki Roshi is closer to advaita teacher than most zen teachers because he says that koan zen is the real way. Koans are spiritual questions like "Who am I" or "What is this?".  So to my question, from Nisargadatta Maharaj and other advaita masters I have understood that they are all the time in the the highest state and they don't have any sense of self (with small s) left.

Shinzen Young says in the video that he had supressed thoughts, mental images, feelings (= the sense of self). But Joshu Sasaki told him not to supress the sense of self. He said that there is always the movement between zero self and doing of the self. It's like ocean giving rise to a wave and it continues even after realisation. (But he also mentions that these both are no self experiences when they are allowed to happen.

So do you think here is any contradiction? I've just got the idea that a jnani's state is eternal and doesn't have any changes.

General topics / What do you think about buddhist meditation?
« on: January 08, 2010, 04:55:38 PM »
There is a lot of similarities between the teachings of Gautama Buddha and Sri Ramana Maharshi. But however their methods are quite different.

Sri Bhagavan thaught self enquiry as way the to enlightenment and Nisargadatta Maharaj's realized the Self without "following any particular course of breathing, or meditation, or study of scriptures. Whatever happened, I would turn away my attention from it and remain with the sense 'I am'"

The Buddha however gave very different instuctions. According to him the mindfulness of breathing is the way to liberation.  (
This differs quite lot from self enquiry in the way that buddhist mediation is gradually taming the mind and developing the mind (and it doesn't envolve enquiry Who am I ofcourse). As Buddha says in Dhammapada:

Restrained Mind Leads To Happiness

    The mind is very hard to check
    and swift, it falls on what it wants.
    The training of the mind is good,
    a mind so tamed brings happiness.

However Nisargadatta said that there is no such thing as peace of mind! We must go beyond mind and it doesn't matter what kind of mind we leave behind us. So why I'm talking about is, is because I've practiced zen buddhist meditation for two years now. It has helped me to overcome lot of my obsessions and depression. But I still haven't had many insights and I feel that zazen gives me relief, but not release. And outside meditation cushion I don't feel too peaceful or joyful. I'm still thinking about continuing it and practicing it alongside with self enquiry. But is it necessary? Can I get the same benefits from self enquiry?

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