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Re: Need for a -living- master?
« Reply #15 on: May 08, 2016, 09:15:11 PM »
so many thoughts ....... so little time
huhuhuhuhuh
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simply stop telling the story of the self and see who you are without it

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Re: Need for a -living- master?
« Reply #16 on: May 13, 2016, 09:53:05 AM »
I don't have the text with me to share here, but in a coincidence I opened Robert Adams book "Silence Of The Heart" yesterday and it was in the section where he is talking about that book "No Mind I Am The Self"  and that subject directly. His observation is that, no, with someone like Ramana you don't need a living guru, his grace is fully available. Interesting coincidence.

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Re: Need for a -living- master?
« Reply #17 on: May 17, 2016, 06:15:37 AM »
dont be so quick to throw stones......you've had at least 198 of them yourself



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« Reply #18 on: May 17, 2016, 06:17:11 AM »
When it comes to Ramana Maharshi you will be able to find quotes to support your favoured position,
ie. you need a living master, OR you do not need a living master.
.......This is probably because Maharshi answered according to the maturity of the questioner.

My personal view is, if you are sincerely fond of Ramana Maharshi's self-inquiry, then you have already found the living master and you need not look elsewhere.

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Re: Need for a -living- master?
« Reply #19 on: May 17, 2016, 06:37:46 PM »
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"My personal view is, if you are sincerely fond of Ramana Maharshi's self-inquiry, then you have already found the living master and you need not look elsewhere."


Dear Sri James,

Yes, this is exactly what I have understood regarding Guru and His Grace, and therefore, I am in full agreement with the aforesaid view. Yes, you have said it rather beautifully!

Thanks very much.
Pranam,
  Anil

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Re: Need for a -living- master?
« Reply #20 on: May 19, 2016, 10:57:43 AM »
Thank you James, that's pretty much the conclusion I've come to. I've studied comparative religion for 40+ years and am well aware of how some quarters really stress the need for a living master. Problem is, if you look closely you can find just as many instances when trusting someone who calls themselves a "living master" goes very, very wrong as when someone goes the path alone only reading books and winds up misunderstanding key points of the spiritual life. Anyway, I have no doubt about Ramana'a integrity.
Besides he's living in my heart and there's no one better to replace him with!  :)

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Re: Need for a -living- master?
« Reply #21 on: May 19, 2016, 10:58:55 AM »
Beloved abstract, I'm not really sure what the point you're trying to make is.

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Re: Need for a -living- master?
« Reply #22 on: May 19, 2016, 09:32:03 PM »
so many personal views ..... so little time    :)
simply stop telling the story of the self and see who you are without it

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Re: Need for a -living- master?
« Reply #23 on: May 20, 2016, 04:31:41 AM »
you see personal views do you!
Ramana Maharshi sees only the Self


so many personal views ..... so little time    :)

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Re: Need for a -living- master?
« Reply #24 on: May 20, 2016, 09:26:11 AM »
It's not like worthwhile living masters are plentiful.
Mediocre, selfish, deceitful self referential "living masters" are everywhere.
I'll take my chances with Ramana.
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Re: Need for a -living- master?
« Reply #25 on: May 20, 2016, 10:35:52 PM »
enjoy your stories ......    :)
simply stop telling the story of the self and see who you are without it

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Re: Need for a -living- master?
« Reply #26 on: May 21, 2016, 09:19:58 AM »
Hard to tell, "Beloved Abstract" but your posts sure seem to have an unnecessary sarcastic note.
Do you "enjoy" talking down to others? If so that's a pretty obvious sign you're
not quite at the spiritual height you'd like to think you are.

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Re: Need for a -living- master?
« Reply #27 on: May 23, 2016, 05:12:27 AM »
Hard to tell, "Beloved Abstract" but your posts sure seem to have an unnecessary sarcastic note.
Do you "enjoy" talking down to others? If so that's a pretty obvious sign you're
not quite at the spiritual height you'd like to think you are.


It has probably always been the way in India, but in the West, thanks to the internet, we have 1000's of people now intellectualising their way to Truth and setting themself up as "teachers".

I refer to the approach as Neo-advaita Intellectualism. The hallmarks of which are:
  • one-upmanship,
  • intellectualization,
  • idolization of concepts,
  • and semantics (word games).
The afflicted have no easy way of seeing that they are caught in the grip of the imagined ego. And to point it out is often met with hostile word games.

Fortunate are those who absorb themself in Ramana Maharshi's self-inquiry. Any such tendencies will either have been dissolved or soon will be.


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Re: Need for a -living- master?
« Reply #28 on: May 23, 2016, 11:13:18 AM »
Good one, James.
I am reminded of someone called Ed Muzika.
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Re: Need for a -living- master?
« Reply #29 on: May 24, 2016, 06:18:37 AM »
Since resolving to commit only to Ramana Maharshi's self inquiry I have few encounters with fake teachers,
and if we do happen to cross paths they are easy to spot.


Good one, James.
I am reminded of someone called Ed Muzika.