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drsundaram

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shri nochur acharyal's book
« on: March 28, 2015, 02:29:27 PM »
i am reading a book, "in the still lake of contemplation" by shri nochur acharyal.
Acharyal says in it , " be vigilant in the waking state. do not allow sleep and thoughts to corrupt the inner vigilance and stillness.sleep is thought in the dormant state. thoughts are sleep in active form. be still and vigilant. this is sivanhubhava"
unable to understand the bold words and hence seek clarification .
thanks for any who obliges to me
om namo bhagavathe sri ramanaya

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Re: shri nochur acharyal's book
« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2015, 02:54:46 PM »
That's beautiful and thank you so much for sharing it.

Ravi.N

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Re: shri nochur acharyal's book
« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2015, 03:27:32 PM »
drsundaram,
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sleep is thought in the dormant state. thoughts are sleep in active form.

It means that the 'ego'(mind) is dormant in sleep and active in the waking state.To be identified with the thoughts is to continue in a state of sleep(unaware of the Self).To be truly awake is to recognize the pure awareness that is the substratum .
To remain vigilant means -not to be caught up in the vortex of thoughts again,not to identify with thoughts,but to stay as pure awareness.This is sivanubhava-with a sense of ease,a sense of fullness,untouched and untroubled by thoughts.

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Re: shri nochur acharyal's book
« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2015, 06:40:08 PM »
thank you shri ravi.
still i am not able to your implied meaning.
here, does dormant state means sleeping stat?e. in sleep we no nothing we ourselves  do nt know us. then how sleep as a thought?
perhaps since you are a widely read, you are able to make out easily.
if you can kindly share bit more in simple words and in detail what is in the bold words, will be very much thankful to you
om namo bhagavathe sri ramanaya

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Re: shri nochur acharyal's book
« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2015, 09:42:34 PM »
drsundaram,

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in sleep we know nothing we ourselves  don't know us. then how sleep as a thought?

It is not as if it is Total unconsciousness during the state of sleep.If it were so,we cannot be woken  up if we are called by name by someone.The Memory of having had a 'Good sleep' is there.The Ego thought as the 'Enjoyer'(Bhokta) continues and as  the 'Doer'(karta) is dormant.(This is unlike a comatose state where one may not remember anything at all and may not respond at all.)

Mind is dormant means that it has suspended its activities and yet it continues intact.If it were not so,there is no possibility of Mr 'X' waking up as Mr 'X'.We still get up from sleep when we are called by name whereas even when there is a thunder shower outside we sleep through it blissfully unaware of it.Mr 'X' wakes up with all his vasanas intact and continues as Mr 'X'.
Sleep,dream and Waking state are just different states of the mind-and the mind survives in all these states.As long as we identify with the mind as 'I am Mr X',we are asleep to our true Nature which is uninterrupted ,unchanging awareness that is ever present as the substratum to the sleep,dream and waking State.

It is only when we pierce the veil of thoughts and enter the silence that we realize this awareness that is untouched by thoughts.Thoughts may still be there but we do not identify ourselves with them and are not hijacked by them.

To be vigilant means not to fall back into the vortex of thoughts-meaning not to allow oneself to be troubled and limited by 'I am Mr X' thought and its associated hopes,fears,anxieties,desires.This falling back may happen when there is the slackening of attention or forgetfulness.

This awareness is something that can be actually be experienced by spiritual practice.For this there has to be a strong sense of Dispassion,Discrimination and Sraddha and Bhakti-that is uncompromising and total.

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Re: shri nochur acharyal's book
« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2015, 09:52:19 PM »
drsundaram,

Here is an excerpt from Talks with Sri Ramana maharshi(Talk 17):

If the ego identifies itself with the subtle mind, as in dream, the perceptions are subtle also. But in sleep there are no perceptions. Was there not the ego still? Unless it was, there cannot be the memory of having slept. Who was it that slept? You did not say in your sleep that you slept. You say it now in your wakeful state. The ego therefore is the same in wakefulness, dream and sleep. Find out the underlying Reality behind these states. That is the Reality underlying these. In that state there is Being alone. There is no you, nor I, nor he; no present, nor past, nor future. It is beyond time and space, beyond expression.It is ever there.


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Re: shri nochur acharyal's book
« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2015, 06:36:15 AM »
oh yes.... thanks

sorry for  u have taken pains to explain

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om namo bhagavathe sri ramanaya