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Philosophical Statements and poems in Tamil
« on: June 30, 2019, 10:52:06 AM »
Tamil literature has wonderful philosophical statements and poems and I am sharing here some that I came across


 I will go with some proverbs in Tamil.

தீதும் நன்றும் பிறர் தர வாரா.

Theethum Nandrum pirar thara vaaraa ( English)

Meaning

No good or bad thing will come to us through others.

ஒன்றே குலம் ஒருவனே தேவன்

Ondre Kulam Oruvanae Devan ( English)

Meaning

Mankind is one and god is one

வினை விதைத்தவன் வினை அறுப்பான்

vinai vithaithavan vinai aruppAn ( English )

Meaning

you reap what you sow
However many holy words you read, however many you speak, what good will they do you if you do not act on upon them? - Buddha

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Re: Philosophical Statements and poems in Tamil
« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2019, 10:56:13 AM »
ஆடிய ஆட்டமென்ன? பேசிய வார்த்தை என்ன?
தேடிய செல்வமென்ன? திறண்டதோர் சுற்றமென்ன?
கூடுவிட்டு ஆவிபோனால் கூடவே வருவதென்ன...?

வீடுவரை உறவு
வீதி வரை மனைவி
காடு வரை பிள்ளை
கடைசி வரை யாரோ?

Translation

(when you were alive?.) what all games you played , what all words you spoke, what all materialistic things/wealth you accumulated, how many relatives/people surrounded you, (All of this does not matter?.. ) once your soul leaves you body , what is it that comes with you?

(When you are gone ) Your relatives come till the house , Your wife comes till the street, Your son comes till the graveyard, Who is it that comes with you till the end?
However many holy words you read, however many you speak, what good will they do you if you do not act on upon them? - Buddha

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Re: Philosophical Statements and poems in Tamil
« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2019, 11:17:04 AM »
தீதும் நன்றும் பிறர் தர வாரா

The most touching line in my personal  experience is ?தீதும் நன்றும் பிறர் தர வாரா? - Theedhum nandrum pirar thara vaaraa which means ?Good or bad comes within us only not from the debris of others? It is said by Kaniyan  Pungundranar  , a Sangam Tamil Poet more than 2000 years age
How beautiful the line is do things good, you will receive good things in return?. No one can blame  others for their own failure.
However many holy words you read, however many you speak, what good will they do you if you do not act on upon them? - Buddha

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Re: Philosophical Statements and poems in Tamil
« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2019, 11:21:00 AM »
கணியன் பூங்குன்றனார் என்பவர் சங்க காலப் புலவர்களில் ஒருவர். கணியம் என்பது நாள் கிழமை கணித்து பலன் கூறும் சோதிடம். கணியம் தெரிந்தவன் கணியன். கணிமேதையார், கணிமேவந்தவள் [1] என்னும் பெயர்கள் கணியத்தோடு தொடர்பு கொண்டவை.


புறநானூற்றிலும் (புறம்: 192) நற்றிணை( நற்றிணை:226)யிலும் இவர் பாடல்கள் இடம்பெற்றுள்ளன.


இவரின் புறநானூற்றுப் பாடல் பழங்காலத் தமிழர்களின் பண்பாட்டை விளக்குகிறது.

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யாதும் ஊரே யாவரும் கேளிர்
தீதும் நன்றும் பிறர்தர வாரா
நோதலும் தணிதலும் அவற்றோ ரன்ன
சாதலும் புதுவது அன்றே, வாழ்தல்
இனிதென மகிழ்ந்தன்றும் இலமே முனிவின்
இன்னா தென்றலும் இலமே, மின்னொடு
வானம் தண்துளி தலைஇ யானாது
கல் பொருது மிரங்கு மல்லல் பேரியாற்று
நீர்வழிப் படூஉம் புணைபோல் ஆருயிர்
முறை வழிப் படூஉம் என்பது திறவோர்
காட்சியில் தெளிந்தனம் ஆகலின், மாட்சியின்
பெரியோரை வியத்தலும் இலமே,
சிறியோரை இகழ்தல் அதனினும் இலமே. (புறம்: 192)
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பொருள்
எல்லா ஊரும் எம் ஊர் எல்லா மக்களும் எம் உறவினரே
நன்மை தீமை அடுத்தவரால் வருவதில்லை
துன்பமும் ஆறுதலும்கூட மற்றவர் தருவதில்லை
சாதல் புதுமை யில்லை; வாழ்தல்
இன்பமென்று மகிழ்ந்தது இல்லை
வெறுத்து வாழ்வு துன்பமென ஒதுங்கியதுமில்லை
பேராற்று நீர்வழி ஓடும் தெப்பம்போல
இயற்கைவழி நடக்கும் உயிர்வாழ்வென்று
தக்கோர் ஊட்டிய அறிவால் தெளிந்தோம்
ஆதலினால்,பிறந்து வாழ்வோரில்
சிறியோரை இகழ்ந்து தூற்றியதும் இல்லை
பெரியோரை வியந்து போற்றியதும் இல்லை.
However many holy words you read, however many you speak, what good will they do you if you do not act on upon them? - Buddha

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Re: Philosophical Statements and poems in Tamil
« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2019, 07:42:08 PM »
யாதும் ஊரே யாவரும் கேளிர்
= உலகில் எல்லா ஊரும் நம் ஊரே!
= உலகின் எல்லா மக்களும் நம் உறவினரே!

தீதும் நன்றும் பிறர்தர வாரா

= நன்மையோ/ தீமையோ பிறர் விளைவித்தாலும்
நாம் அதில் விழுந்தாலன்றி அது நம்மிடம் வராது!

உலகம் எ. முதற்சொல் வைத்து இலக்கியம் பாடல் தமிழ் மரபு!  உலகக் குடிகள்!
However many holy words you read, however many you speak, what good will they do you if you do not act on upon them? - Buddha

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Re: Philosophical Statements and poems in Tamil
« Reply #5 on: July 05, 2019, 12:58:05 PM »
In today's ( Fri 5 jULY 2019 ) Indian Budget Speech , the Finance Minister Nirmala Seetharaman quoted a verse from Tamil Text PURANAANOORU









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« Reply #6 on: July 05, 2019, 05:37:24 PM »
However many holy words you read, however many you speak, what good will they do you if you do not act on upon them? - Buddha

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« Reply #7 on: July 08, 2019, 08:49:29 AM »
However many holy words you read, however many you speak, what good will they do you if you do not act on upon them? - Buddha

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« Reply #8 on: August 24, 2019, 08:07:03 AM »
?To understand south India and its culture you need Tamil, and you need Sanskrit to understand north India?
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/blogs/treasurehunt/to-understand-south-india-and-its-culture-you-need-tamil-and-you-need-sanskrit-to-understand-north-india/

Language in Tamil Nadu has a fraught relationship with politics. Last month, it showed up in a controversy over a school text which compared the antiquity of Sanskrit and Tamil.  Vairamuthu, a Sahitya Akademi Award winner, whose oeuvre includes popular culture, in a conversation with Narayani Ganesh unpacks the role of language in Tamil identity and its influence on the politics of the state:

The AIADMK government recently scrapped a chapter in a Class 12 textbook over a controversy on the antiquity of Tamil. How old is Tamil?

Tamil is the oldest living language. Sanskrit is part of our culture. To understand south India and its culture you need Tamil, and you need Sanskrit to understand north India. Creative mythology says Tamil and Sanskrit are ancient languages, like the two sides of Shiva?s ?damroo?.

Tamil is an adi (ancient) language; its grammar is more than 3,000 years old. Its literature is naturally even older, because grammar cannot exist without literature. Just like oil is extracted from the seed, grammar emanates from literature.

Periyar (EV Ramasamy) has sometimes been vilified as one who dubbed Tamil a barbaric language. Why was that?

Periyar was concerned that without democratising access to Tamil language and literature, the pandits were rendering it archaic and so the language would not be relevant in a world embracing new knowledge. He loved Tamil; hence he said bring Tamil out. Don?t think all that is old is good. He asked what is there in Tamil apart from bhakti songs and shlokas? Once you deduct these what do you have in Tamil ? so bring in science and technology. Why use Tamil only to praise God, we have to make it practical to apply to the modern world. We want to bring God out into the streets, then why not bring Tamil out? A blacksmith hits iron to make it a useful tool. Periyar was not angry with Tamil.

Periyar was an atheist and demolished roadside temples. How has the complexion of the rationalist movement changed over the years?

When DMK came out of DK (Dravidar Kazhagam), a social movement founded by Periyar, Annadurai said: ?One community, one God.? Periyar had said, ?There is no God?. Periyar made it an intellectual, rationalist movement, but with later avatars, it acquired a democratic, political flavour. Periyar was in Congress and then Justice Party, before he started DK.

Periyar never had political aspirations. Anna said, without political power, we cannot do good for the people. There has to be a compromise and the good points of both have to be included ? the intellectual and the practical.

Periyar broke the Pillaiyar (Ganesha statue) and what did Anna say? He said, ?I will not break Pillaiyar (Ganesha), nor will I break a coconut in front of Pillaiyar.?

Periyar was asked, is caste big or religion big? And he said, caste is more important, because you can change your religion but you cannot change your caste. That is why he focused on self-respect ? the superior and inferior caste system had to change, so that one does not lose one?s self-respect on account of one?s birth.

You talk of time and space as concepts that Tamil seers were intuitively aware of. Could you elaborate?

?Nilamum pozhuthum,? says Tholkappiyar, 3,000 years ago. That is, every nilam (landscape) has a pozhuthu (time) and civilisation is created from there. For instance, Kurinji, the mountainous landscape is for hunting; Mullai, the pastoral for cattle grazing; Marudam, the riverine for agriculture; Neydhal, the coastal area for fishing and Paalai, degraded land for dacoity.

These occupations are decided by landscape. According to that, civilisation arose. The first philosophy was related to time and land in Tholkappiyar?s ancient grammar work.

You say Tamil language is reflective of a far more progressive culture and civilisation, than that of Sanskrit. What?s the basis for that statement?

The Tamil word ?karpu? for ?chastity? is gender neutral whereas in Sanskrit, the word for chastity, ?pativrata,? applies only to the female gender. All four divisions in the caste system for humans emanate from Brahma?s anatomy, on the basis of a God. Tamil poet-philosopher Valluvar said, don?t classify according to occupation as that creates superior and inferior hierarchies, because, by birth, we are all equal. There are many such examples to show Tamil (language) reflects a progressive society.
However many holy words you read, however many you speak, what good will they do you if you do not act on upon them? - Buddha