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Aavarta Puryaam... Prapadhye
« on: August 10, 2014, 04:36:34 AM »
In many of his recent pravachanams, Sri Nochur Venkataraman recites a dhyana slokam "Aavarta Puryam.... Prapadhye". Anyone knows who wrote this? I enjoy listening to this and would like to get the lyrics!.

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Re: Aavarta Puryaam... Prapadhye
« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2014, 07:24:07 AM »
it might be very silly to ask but still he always refers to bhagavan as sollithu , kettudhu denoting 'adhu' 'idhu 'instead of sonnaar, kettaar , Shri nochur is a great mahan and learned and there should be very valid reasons. but  do not comprehend as to why.............

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Re: Aavarta Puryaam... Prapadhye
« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2014, 08:34:48 AM »
Dear Krishnan, dr sundaram, kannan,


This is a lyric composed by Nochur himself.  I do not know the full meaning.  But it says, that He was born in Avarthapuri,
(Tiruch chuzhi) and He is Sivam, He is Sivapadam, He is Sivagnanam...etc.,

2. Sri Bhavavan is neither male, nor female, nor neuter.  He is It, (the Self).  Hence He is called vandhathu, pOnathu etc.,
in ahrinai in Tamizh, that is, the suffix used for non human beings. 

Arunachala Siva.   
 

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Re: Aavarta Puryaam... Prapadhye
« Reply #3 on: August 10, 2014, 11:31:03 AM »
Dear Kannan and friends,

If I am not wrong, this is written by Sri Jagadeeshwara Shastri, Bhagavan's devotee, who was also instrumental in giving us Hridaya Kuhara Madhye completed by Bhagavan. This is call Prapatyashtakam.

Please follow the link below for the script.

http://www.arunachala-ramana.org/forum/index.php?topic=7824.msg49632#msg49632

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॥ शांतमात्मनि तिष्ट ॥
Remain quietly in the Self.
~ Vasishta

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Re: Aavarta Puryaam... Prapadhye
« Reply #4 on: August 10, 2014, 12:16:35 PM »
Dear Kannan, Nagaraj,

I am giving the Full text in Sanskrit and  anglicized form:


आवर्तपुर्यां जनितं प्रपद्ये पाण्ड्येशदेशे विहृतं प्रपद्ये ।
शोणाचलप्रस्थचरं प्रपद्ये भिक्षुं तपःक्लेशसहं प्रपद्ये ॥१॥

आब्रह्मकीटान्तसमं प्रपद्ये जितारिषडर्गमहं प्रपद्ये ।
सर्वज्ञतासारभृतं प्रपद्ये निस्सीमकारुण्यनिधिं प्रपद्ये ॥२॥

अस्मात्प्रपञ्चादधिकं प्रपद्ये विश्वाधिकोक्तेर्विषयं प्रपद्ये ।
कालग्रहग्राहभयापनुत्यै कृतान्तशिक्षाकृतिनं प्रपद्ये ॥३॥

विनेतुमार्तिं विषयाध्वजन्यां विज्ञानमूर्तिं दधतं प्रपद्ये ।
कन्दर्पदर्पज्वरवारणाय कामारिलीलावतरं प्रपद्ये ॥४॥

आजन्मवर्णिव्रतिनं प्रपद्ये कुण्डीभृतं दण्डधरं प्रपद्ये ।
ब्रह्मासन्ध्यानरतं प्रपद्ये ब्रह्मात्मभूयं यतिनं प्रपद्ये ॥५॥

हरं प्रपद्ये विजरं प्रपद्ये स्वतन्त्रतायाः सदनं प्रपद्ये ।
अमेयसामर्थ्यवहं प्रपद्ये विशुद्धविज्ञानिवरं प्रपद्ये ॥६॥

दौर्भाग्य तापत्रय कर्म मोह सन्तापहन्तारमहं प्रपद्ये ।
यथार्थसंकल्पमपेतपापमवाप्तकामं विशुचं प्रपद्ये ॥७॥

मनः प्रसादं भजतां ददानं मुग्धस्मितोल्लासिमुखं प्रपद्ये ।
व्यथामशेषां व्यपनीय मोदप्रदेन नाम्ना रमणं प्रपद्ये ॥८॥

शिवं प्रपद्ये शिवदं प्रपद्ये गुरुं प्रपद्ये गुणिणं प्रपद्ये ।
मदीयहृत्पद्मजुषं प्रपद्ये शरण्यमीशं शरणं प्रपद्ये ॥९॥

प्रपत्तिं रमणस्यैतां तन्वतां तत्वदर्शिनः ।
तत्क्रतुन्यायरसिकाः तत्ताद्दशफलाप्तये ॥१०॥

॥ प्रपत्त्यष्टकं संपूर्णम् ॥

          || prapattyaṣṭakaṁ ||

āvartapuryāṁ janitaṁ prapadye pāṇḍyeśadeśe vihṛtaṁ prapadye |
śoṇācalaprasthacaraṁ prapadye bhikṣuṁ tapaḥkleśasahaṁ prapadye ||1||

ābrahmakīṭāntasamaṁ prapadye jitāriṣaḍargamahaṁ prapadye |
sarvajñatāsārabhṛtaṁ prapadye nissīmakāruṇyanidhiṁ prapadye ||2||

asmātprapañcādadhikaṁ prapadye viśvādhikokterviṣayaṁ prapadye |
kālagrahagrāhabhayāpanutyai kṛtāntaśikṣākṛtinaṁ prapadye ||3||

vinetumārtiṁ viṣayādhvajanyāṁ vijñānamūrtiṁ dadhataṁ prapadye |
kandarpadarpajvaravāraṇāya kāmārilīlāvataraṁ prapadye ||4||

ājanmavarṇivratinaṁ prapadye kuṇḍībhṛtaṁ daṇḍadharaṁ prapadye |
brahmāsandhyānarataṁ prapadye brahmātmabhūyaṁ yatinaṁ prapadye ||5||

haraṁ prapadye vijaraṁ prapadye svatantratāyāḥ sadanaṁ prapadye |
ameyasāmarthyavahaṁ prapadye viśuddhavijñānivaraṁ prapadye ||6||

daurbhāgya tāpatraya karma moha santāpahantāramahaṁ prapadye |
yathārthasaṁkalpamapetapāpamavāptakāmaṁ viśucaṁ prapadye ||7||

manaḥ prasādaṁ bhajatāṁ dadānaṁ mugdhasmitollāsimukhaṁ prapadye |
vyathāmaśeṣāṁ vyapanīya modapradena nāmnā ramaṇaṁ prapadye ||8||

śivaṁ prapadye śivadaṁ prapadye guruṁ prapadye guṇiṇaṁ prapadye |
madīyahṛtpadmajuṣaṁ prapadye śaraṇyamīśaṁ śaraṇaṁ prapadye ||9||

prapattiṁ ramaṇasyaitāṁ tanvatāṁ tatvadarśinaḥ |
tatkratunyāyarasikāḥ tattāddaśaphalāptaye ||10||

|| prapattyaṣṭakaṁ saṁpūrṇam ||


Arunachala Siva.

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Re: Aavarta Puryaam... Prapadhye
« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2014, 03:33:59 PM »
drsundaram,

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it might be very silly to ask but still he always refers to bhagavan as sollithu , kettudhu denoting 'adhu' 'idhu 'instead of sonnaar, kettaar

Nochur Sri Venkatraman ,in his talks on the Bhagavad Gita, alluding  to Sri Bhagavan, used the respectful form of address:"sonnaar, kettaar".He had changed this subsequently.

Sri Bhagavan used this sort of a usage in his letter that he left behind before he embarked on his travel to Arunachala!Later on in Tiruvannamalai ,when the Robbers raided the ashram and belaboured him,he commented "Iddhukkum poosai Kidaiththadhu"(This also got a Pooja!,pooja refers to a few blows from the Robbers!).Ofcourse in his conversation with devotees, he used to refer himself casually as 'I' as well.

This is the translation of the letter that Sri Bhagavan wrote  before leaving home in  Madurai  :

"I have, in search of my Father and in obedience to his command, started from here. THIS is only embarking on a virtuous enterprise. Therefore none need grieve over THIS affair. To trace THIS out, no money need be spent.

Your college fee has not been paid. Rupees two are enclosed herewith.

       Thus ___________________"

The letter was not signed for his separate identity as Venkataraman had been lost after his discovery of his true identity as the Self.

In the Gospel of sri Ramakrishna,we find the Master charmingly recounting this incident:

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"Gauri would not refer to himself as 'I' lest he should feel egotistic. He would say 'this' instead. I followed his example and would refer to myself as 'this' instead of 'I'.Instead of saying, 'I have eaten,' I would say, 'This has eaten.' Mathur noticed it and said one day: 'What is this, revered father? Why should you talk that way? Let them talk that way. They have their egotism. You are free from it; you don't have to talk like them.'

We may,ofcourse use the expression that we are most comfortable with.Sages have used the word 'avan'  'அவன்' ,or 'adhu'  'அது' as it occurs in thayumanavar's song which I will post here.

Namaskar.
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Re: Aavarta Puryaam... Prapadhye
« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2014, 03:46:24 PM »
Friends,
Here is the thayumanavar song,from parasiva vannakkam,Verse 1,wherein he refers to the Supreme Being as எது and அது:

அங்கிங் கெனாதபடி  எங்கும் ப்ரகாசமாய்
      ஆனந்த பூர்த்தியாகி
  அருளடு  நிறைந்ததெது தன்னருள் வெளிக்குளே
      அகிலாண்ட கோடியெல்லாந்
தங்கும் படிக்கிச்சை வைத்துயிர்க் குயிராய்த்
       தழைத்ததெது மனவாக்கினில்
  தட்டாமல் நின்றதெது சமயகோ டிகளெலாந்
       தந்தெய்வம் எந்தெய்வமென்
றெங்குந் தொடர்ந்தெதிர் வழக்கிடவும் நின்றதெது
       எங்கணும் பெருவழக்காய்
  யாதினும் வல்லவொரு சித்தாகி இன்பமாய்
       என்றைக்கு முள்ள தெது அது
கங்குல்பக லறநின்ற எல்லையுள தெது அது
       கருத்திற் கிசைந்ததுவே
  கண்டன வெலாமோன வுருவெளிய தாகவுங்
       கருதிஅஞ் சலிசெய்குவாம்.

What is it, which is Uncircumscribed Effulgence,
Perfect Bliss,Divine-Love Filled --
What is it, which willedTo contain the countless universes
In boundless space And there flourishes as Life of life, -
What is it, which stood Transcending thought and word,
What is it, which remained As the ever contentious object
Of countless faiths claiming,''This, my God,'' ''This, our God''--
What is it, which exists as Omnipresent,  Omnipotent
Love-filled and Eternal -
What is it, which knows No limits of Night and day -
That indeed is what is agreeable to thought,
That indeed is what fills all space in silentness.
That indeed is what we in meekness worship.

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Re: Aavarta Puryaam... Prapadhye
« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2014, 04:03:15 PM »
Friends,
In this very opening song from 'Engu niRaiginRa poruL',Thayumanavar uses the personal form of address-He அவன் and You(Thee)உனை:

அவனன்றி யோரணுவும் அசையாதெ னும்பெரிய
      ஆப்தர்மொழி யொன்றுகண்டால்
   அறிவாவ தேதுசில அறியாமை ஏதிவை
      அறிந்தார்கள் அறியார்களார்
மௌனமொ டிருந்ததார் என்போ லுடம்பெலாம்
      வாயாய்ப் பிதற்றுமவரார்
   மனதெனவும் ஒருமாயை எங்கே இருந்துவரும்
      வன்மையொ டிரக்கமெங்கே
புவனம் படைப்பதென் கர்த்தவிய மெவ்விடம்
      பூதபே தங்களெவிடம்
   பொய்மெயிதம் அகிதமேல் வருநன்மை தீமையொடு
      பொறைபொறா மையுமெவ்விடம்
எவர்சிறிய ரெவர்பெரிய ரெவருறவ ரெவர்பகைஞர்
      யாதுமுனை யன்றியுண்டோ
   இகபர மிரண்டினிலும் உயிரினுக் குயிராகி
      எங்குநிறை கின்றபொருளே!

"Not an atom moveth without Him" -
If this great saying of the wise is realized,
Where then is knowledge?Where then is ignorance?
Who are they that knew this?Who are they that knew this not?
Who are they that in silentness sat? Who are they that are loquacious like me,
My entire body turned into mouth?Where doth the illusion, that is mind, come from?
Where is cruelty from?Where is compassion from?
Why the creation of this universe?Why the lordly functions arising therefrom?
Why these diverse elements?Why truth and falsehood?
Why pleasantness and unpleasantness?Why good and evil?
Why beneficient things to be?Why the disasters to follow?
Why the patience and impatience?Who are small?Who are great?
Who are friends?Who are enemies?All, all none but Thee!
Oh! Thou the Pervasive Being That is Life of life Of this world and next!

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Re: Aavarta Puryaam... Prapadhye
« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2014, 09:00:19 PM »
many thanks for reflecting a lot on the subject. i have read of bhagavan's conveying to mother and other refs wherein idhu , adhu connotations were more pertinent for Him to utter . But that was  but FIRST TIME   i am hearing by any  acharya  quoting any   enlightened masters  and that was why my my instant reaction; excitement ; now i have understood. thanks.om namo bhagavathe sri ramanaya 

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« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2014, 06:34:27 AM »
drsundaram,

 
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But that was  but FIRST TIME   i am hearing by any  acharya  quoting any   enlightened masters  and that was why my my instant reaction

Yes,I agree and concur.Personally I would avoid this form of addressing Sri Bhagavan as 'Adhu','Solliththu',etc.When we talk about the personal aspect of God or refer to him as Bhagavan,it is appropriate to use the 'personal' form of addressing only.If we talk about the impersonal aspect,we may refer as 'It' or 'That' etc.

Namaskar.

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« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2014, 07:24:21 AM »
true, very right  i feel same way. shri  ravi. when i hear shri bhagavn being referred to as   adhu, idhu  solliththu i fee somewhat instinctively as demeaning Him. may be i am  not matured enough to understand of Bhagavan as explained by shri R S  that Bhagavan is neither male nor  female nor any identifiable thing,  but  he is' that' ....Om Namo bhagavathe shri ramanaya.  acharya devo bhava

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Re: Aavarta Puryaam... Prapadhye
« Reply #11 on: August 12, 2014, 12:40:02 PM »
Dear Ravi and Sundaram sir

Actually it is nothing to do with the formal state or the relevance to texts 

In my opinion, it is a pure melting love, you love somebody so much that eventually we address like sollum etc.  When I first heard this phrase in the lectures,  (varum, pogum etc.) my first impression was that He has reached a highest level of relationship with the sage that the 'swadheenam' meaning the liberty with which we address our kith and kin has dawned upon him.

Trust me,  it is the purest and highest love and all sastric references fall short to explain it.

I remember one anectode from famous bengali saint Bamakshepa of Tarapith. He was so mad in his love with Tara devi that he sometimes threw stones at Her and used to scold her that She has ruined his life which otherwise would have been a normal householder one.

We ofcourse have one of our 63 nayanmars "kal yerindha saakiyar"

Buddhist turned Shiva devotee who worshipped Shiva by throwing stones at him. Such was his love.

That is why in No Mind I am the Self, Sri Lakshmana Swamy described this love by saying that one can read the vedas from starting to end but it is nowhere to be found such purest love that devotee shows towards God/Guru ( in the book Swamy referred to Saradamma's mad devotion but it is all the way same in all cases of true love towards God/Guru)

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Re: Aavarta Puryaam... Prapadhye
« Reply #12 on: August 13, 2014, 06:18:49 AM »
spiritual aspiration ought to be balanced through the  intellect; otherwise it may degenerate into mere sentimentality.

Swami Vivekananda

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Re: Aavarta Puryaam... Prapadhye
« Reply #13 on: August 13, 2014, 12:47:43 PM »
I dont think it is sentimentalism sir.  Even if it be, even if it be emotional,  I feel one is fortunate to get degenerated by that sentiment, by that emotion.

Rather than getting stuck up with the intellectual mess, it is only good to shed tears of love and develop a swadheenam with a sage like Sri Ramana.

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« Reply #14 on: August 13, 2014, 09:56:46 PM »
It is not sufficient to worship Krishna, Christ or Buddha without, if there is not the revealing and the formation of the Buddha, the Christ or Krishna in ourselves.

Sri Aurobindo