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MarkB

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'I-I'
« on: January 16, 2014, 03:44:10 PM »
Namaste

My first post. 

Reading the text, is 'I-I' pronounced as one I, or as a long I, or as two I's? 

Subramanian.R

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Re: 'I-I'
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2014, 04:10:05 PM »
Dear MarkB,

ON attaining Self Realization, the Self is supposed to dance as I - I.  This is called Aham Sphurti.  Bhagavan has said this
in Arunachala Pancharatnam,  Verse 2. The Self has no form.  It is only the Effulgence of the Self that is denoted here.
Bhagavan also says that Self is only Effulgence/Space in Arunachala Ashtakam.

It is pronounced as two I's, I - I to denote the Dance or the Effulgence of the Self.  Nan-Nan is Tamizh.

Arunachala Siva.   
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Re: 'I-I'
« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2014, 06:46:23 PM »
Thank you. 

I'll try my understanding,

So once realized, there is the 'I', or Self, and the observation of the mind both, which the 'I-I' is referring to?   

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Re: 'I-I'
« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2014, 07:23:54 PM »
I believe I-I is more accurately translated as "I am I".

Experts, please correct me if I am wrong.

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Re: 'I-I'
« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2014, 07:19:09 AM »
Dear Silence,

I-I is translated as I am, Asmitha in Sanskrit.  Not as I am I.

Arunachala Siva.   

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Re: 'I-I'
« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2014, 06:05:47 PM »
I also found this by Robert Adams on Sri Ramana Maharshi, might help, 

An easier way to do this I have found is to simply say to yourself, "I - I, I - I," and you will notice as you do this that the I, I goes deeper, deeper, deeper within you into your heart center, right to the source. For westerners I have found that saying "I – I" seems to be more helpful than "Who am I?" Again, do not look at time. Do not ask yourself, "When is something going to happen?"


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Re: 'I-I'
« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2014, 08:23:34 AM »
Dear MarkB,

Yes. Saying simply I-I will take you to the Self within.  Better than I-I is saying Aham-Aham.  Bhagavan says this clearly
in Verse 1 of Akshara Mana Malai.

Arunachala Siva. 

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Re: 'I-I'
« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2014, 10:39:49 AM »
Curious about one thing ... why can't we say 'I am' or "I" instead of "I I"? Why two Is?

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« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2014, 10:48:28 AM »
Dear Silence,

The two I-I  is because the Self upon realization, one can experience in his Heart, that the Self dances I-I.  The Self
does not dance but Its effulgence makes one experience that It is dancing.

Arunachala Siva.   

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Re: 'I-I'
« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2014, 10:23:18 AM »
I think we are observing too critically this two 'I' expression of Bhagavan.

Its simply an expression of definite assurance that the Self shines like thousand suns in the feeling, when the being shines as 'I', its jut 'I'

Aham, "Naan Thaan"

No need to get confused with the couple 'I-I' Its just the same 'I' Aham. There is just one. Does it need to affirm twice as 'I-I' or thrice and so on? The spirit of Bhagavan's expresions need to be assimilated. The Atma need not even shine for itself. These are just pointers.

Aham Aham iti Saakshat Aatma Rupena Bhati

IT shines as I, again reaffirming as just the very Self, yourself, verily shines as the Atma.

I am, I am. no other just the I am.

॥ शांतमात्मनि तिष्ट ॥
Remain quietly in the Self.
~ Vasishta

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Re: 'I-I'
« Reply #10 on: January 21, 2014, 10:31:15 AM »
Taane taane tattuvam idanait
Taane kattuvaai Aruoeachalaa

O Arunachala, Self (the consciousness, ‘I am’) itself is
the Reality. Reveal this to me Yourself.

(a) Reveal naturally by yourself, O Arunachala, that each one is himself, the real Self.

(b) You are the sole Reality, O Arunachala. Reveal yourself as such.

(c) "Reality is nothing but the Self". This is all your wish to reveal, is it not, O Arunachala?

The light of the Self, the universal, shines as I, nothing else other than as I within each living being.

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॥ शांतमात्मनि तिष्ट ॥
Remain quietly in the Self.
~ Vasishta

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Re: 'I-I'
« Reply #11 on: January 24, 2014, 04:11:31 AM »
so ultimately I, I-I, who am I, I am that, are to bring us back to the Self, whereupon sometime we discover there is no I?

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Re: 'I-I'
« Reply #12 on: March 09, 2014, 05:47:42 PM »
so ultimately I, I-I, who am I, I am that, are to bring us back to the Self, whereupon sometime we discover there is no I?

MarkB,

once you realize the Self, how you will feel cannot be articulated by anybody now.  secondly on Self realization the concept of I am and that vanishes together -- subject and object vanishes together.  it is irrevocable state,  from our viewpoint it is a mad state. divine madness.

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Re: 'I-I'
« Reply #13 on: March 09, 2014, 07:19:08 PM »
Thank You, I have come across a good explanation of the 'I-I' reading Sri Nisargadatta Seeds of Consciousness, don't have it here with me to forward.  Like He says, they are just words, undefinable.  Left field is not such a bad place to be, just not many people out here....