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Jyoti

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Jnani is not omniscient?
« on: October 01, 2013, 02:53:36 AM »
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Saradamma: Some people think that jnanis are omniscient, that they have access to all the information in the world. The jnani doesn’t have all this information, or need it. If someone came up to me and said that Hyderabad is the capital of India, I might believe him if I didn’t already know that it is Delhi.

God (Ishvara) is omniscient, right?
Than why is Jnani, not?
Should he/she who is one with God not be like God?

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Re: Jnani is not omniscient?
« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2013, 06:10:50 PM »
I think because Jnani is not God in the relative sense of the world. Jnani and God are one only in Jnanam. Only God (Ishvara) is all-knowing (e.g. knowing the Absolute and the relative at the same time).
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Re: Jnani is not omniscient?
« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2013, 09:54:22 PM »
I think because Jnani is not God in the relative sense of the world. Jnani and God are one only in Jnanam.
But God is the absolute, right?
And Jnani is one with the absolute i.e. one with God.
Therefore Jnani should be what ever God is.

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Re: Jnani is not omniscient?
« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2013, 02:48:31 AM »
I think because Jnani is not God in the relative sense of the world. Jnani and God are one only in Jnanam.
But God is the absolute, right?
And Jnani is one with the absolute i.e. one with God.
Therefore Jnani should be what ever God is.

God is Saguna and Nirguna Brahman at the same time. Jnani is jiva and Nirguna Brahman at the same time. Nirguna Brahman is the Self or Jnanam. This is why I said that God (Saguna Brahman) and Jnani (jiva) are one in Jnanam in the absolute sense. But in relative sense they are not. Only Ishvara (Saguna Brahman) has the total knowledge of the relative and only Ishvara can create, maintain and destroy.
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Re: Jnani is not omniscient?
« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2013, 09:45:29 AM »
Is it possible to become one with Saguna Brahma (Ishvara)?
How are such people called, are those Siddhas?

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Re: Jnani is not omniscient?
« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2013, 01:05:56 PM »
Is it possible to become one with Saguna Brahma (Ishvara)?
How are such people called, are those Siddhas?

We are one with Saguna Brahman as the Self. But we can never become like Saguna Brahman in the relative sense. We can never fully know or control everything. We can do and know only that which Ishvara allows us. Siddhas are people with extraordinary powers and kowledge of the world but as much as the Ishvara has allowed them. This is the opinion of the great acharyas. Swami Vivekananda has talked particularly about that.
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Re: Jnani is not omniscient?
« Reply #6 on: October 04, 2013, 12:44:22 AM »
Is it possible to become one with Saguna Brahma (Ishvara)?
How are such people called, are those Siddhas?

We are one with Saguna Brahman as the Self. But we can never become like Saguna Brahman in the relative sense. We can never fully know or control everything. We can do and know only that which Ishvara allows us. Siddhas are people with extraordinary powers and kowledge of the world but as much as the Ishvara has allowed them. This is the opinion of the great acharyas. Swami Vivekananda has talked particularly about that.
Do you perhaps know were I could read what the Swami said?

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Re: Jnani is not omniscient?
« Reply #7 on: October 04, 2013, 12:48:01 AM »
"Bhakti yoga" book for example.
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Re: Jnani is not omniscient?
« Reply #8 on: October 10, 2013, 09:30:45 PM »
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Saradamma: Some people think that jnanis are omniscient, that they have access to all the information in the world. The jnani doesn’t have all this information, or need it. If someone came up to me and said that Hyderabad is the capital of India, I might believe him if I didn’t already know that it is Delhi.

God (Ishvara) is omniscient, right?
Than why is Jnani, not?
Should he/she who is one with God not be like God?

We expect that jnanis must have all divine ashtras,  and just behave like Gods.

When their legs ache and when they take treatment at home or hospital we ask how come they are suffering.  They are also born like us with two eyes, two legs and brain.

we fail to realize and emphathize that in physical body everybody will feel like what we feel like.

we immediately impose upon jnanis all this miracles.  we want some big magic to be performed by them all the time, all the time laughing and feeling no pain.

it is only but our mistake.  when we suffer from pain, why not them? 

And we the ignorant mass will fix something as capital in our mind lived world, then we expect all great sages to know it ?  Of what use is this knowledge of Federal bank head and UN General secretary's name to great sages like Ribhu and Ashtavakra? 
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