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Kris

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Question on who am I
« on: June 21, 2013, 06:25:13 PM »
Hallo
If I ask
"Who am I ?"
The I thought or ego vanishes immediatly,
What is left the mind cannot discribe,
but it is still a "conception" from the mind.

I see it this way:
A golden ring cannot exist without the gold,
one who sees only the ring independent from gold, is only seeing illusion.
But one who sees the ring as dependent from gold, or the ring being gold itselve sees the truth.
Whenever you bend the ring or even melt it, the gold stays the same.

So the substratum of toughts, ego or wathever is the selve.
So by shrinking the variability of forms of  the mind to only one tought (in my case the imagined self)
& fixing all atention to it should make it more easely to see where that tought is made from.
(because there are no other toughts to destract ones attention.)
But even when that is found it is still a tought, imagined. ?

The self should be beyond toughts, so how could you eventually see it with the mind?
I think you cannot.
So how to realise the selve without the mind?
I've read it is realised by itselve, But for realisation the the Self should heave a mind
and the only mind the Self got is the one in the jivas?

Or is the mind becomming the Self (wich actually allready was)by fixing it to an imagined Self,
Or in other words only what was real about the mind "the Self" remains
By keeping the mind one pointed?

I hope someone can help me with these obstacles

Thank you very much!
Kris


















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Re: Guestion on who am I
« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2013, 07:02:18 PM »
Dear Kris,

The mind and/or intellect is used to ask questions about the anatma.  When the question becomes answerless, it only
means the mind curls up into the Self or becomes the Self.  Sri Bhagavan said that such a Pure Mind is the Self Itself.

Arunachala Siva,     

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Re: Guestion on who am I
« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2013, 09:35:35 PM »
stop
stop using all the energy you use to think
let all your thoughts stop
even the "i" thought
then see who you are without them
see what is unchanged when there are no stories about who you are being told
 :)
simply stop telling the story of the self and see who you are without it

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Re: Question on who am I
« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2013, 06:58:34 AM »
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even the "i" thought
then see who you are without them

Who is there to see :) ?

Sanjay
Salutations to Bhagawan

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Re: Question on who am I
« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2013, 06:18:14 PM »
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    even the "i" thought
    then see who you are without them


Who is there to see :) ?

Sanjay

Yes that's what i mean,
the illusion of subject & object remains, whatever the ego or mind achieves,
however if the mind "curls up" after all,  it shouldn't be a problem or even a good way to follow for the mind ?

Thank you all very much!
The help means alot

regards
Kris









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Re: Question on who am I
« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2013, 09:03:03 PM »
" yes , thats what "I" mean " ....... ha ha ha ha ha
the "I" , "illusions" , subjects objects , egos , achievements , problems , ways to follow ..... these all come and go "IN" who you really are, what never changes . they are not who you are .  they are not separate from you , but are included in you .
YAY !
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simply stop telling the story of the self and see who you are without it

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Re: Question on who am I
« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2013, 03:19:36 PM »
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" yes , thats what "I" mean " ....... ha ha ha ha ha
the "I" , "illusions" , subjects objects , egos , achievements , problems , ways to follow ..... these all come and go "IN" who you really are, what never changes . they are not who you are .  they are not separate from you , but are included in you .
YAY !
 :)

Yes. :)