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Jyoti

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The Self & God
« on: May 16, 2013, 08:15:12 AM »
What is the relationship between the Self & God?
I currently read about Nisgaradatta Maharaj and he says that "God is the totality of consciousness but awareness is beyond all".
Is awareness the Self?
Than the Self and God are not the same?

sanjaya_ganesh

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Re: The Self & God
« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2013, 08:46:11 AM »
Self is the Supreme base in which all names and forms including God appear due to Maya.

Awareness (Njapti) is the base on which Total Consciousness and Total Mind appear. The latter is commonly referred as God / Brahma etc.

http://www.arunachala-ramana.org/forum/index.php?topic=7759.msg47968#msg47968

Subramanian sir can tell you exactly the story. But there is an incident where one of the devotees of Bhagawan fell ill with epileptic attack unconscious. When he regained consciousness, Bhagawan told him even if consciousness goes, one should not leave Njapti (Awareness).

Sanjay
« Last Edit: May 16, 2013, 08:51:40 AM by sanjaya_ganesh »
Salutations to Bhagawan

Subramanian.R

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Re: The Self & God
« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2013, 09:17:09 AM »
dear Jyoti,

I do not know what Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj has got in view.  But according to Sri Bhagavan, Self, God, Guru, Consciousness
-- all are the same.

Dear sanjay,

I do not remember the story immediately.  I shall narrate it in due course.

Arunachala Siva.   

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Re: The Self & God
« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2013, 10:09:08 AM »
(Human Gospel - Page 597)

The second incident occurred in his childhood, when Ramakrishna
Swami had epileptic fits. It would happen all the time. When he was
working in the store he had a very severe epileptic fit and lost
consciousness. He lay like that for hours. He was carried physically to
the Ashram dispensary through the old hall. Bhagavan was looking
through the window at Ramakrishna Swami as he was being carried.

After recovering for a few days, he came to Bhagavan and prostrated.
Bhagavan asked, ―Ramakrishna, how did you feel?‖ Essentially,
Bhagavan meant, while you in that state of epileptic fits, how did you
actually feel? Ramakrishna Swami told Bhagavan, ―Bhagavan, I do not
recall anything.
I lost body consciousness and the environmental
consciousness
. I knew nothing.‖

Bhagavan turned to him and then said,
No, No, No, it should not be like that. You should have held onto the
inner awareness all the time. Even if you lose outward consciousness,
you should never lose inward awareness.
‖ Ramakrishna Swami fully
grasped that teaching. What was the effect of grasping that teaching?
Afterward, he never had epileptic fits again.
Salutations to Bhagawan

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Re: The Self & God
« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2013, 10:27:19 AM »
Dear sanjaya ganesh,

Thank you for the story.  I remember it only now. 


Arunachala Siva.