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What is not Meditation
« on: September 02, 2008, 05:03:36 PM »
Dear Friends,

Meditation is not alter the state of mind. Hypnotism does it well.
Meditation is to see the one who is meditating--- to see the Self. To see things as they are.

1) Most people try to meditate to find a preconceived result. That is a total mistake.
2) Japa is seen as a way to meditate --- Japa is really a statement of fact which is seen deeply in meditation... one has to first totally understand its meaning and purpose. For example OM namah sivaya is to see that na - mah, i am not , only Siva is.
3) Meditation is not to keep the thought on a particular spot. Coz this holds the mind still for a few moments, but wont solve the problem... essential thinking that i am the body is untouched.
4) Meditation is not breathing exercises --- a few breathing exercises can help calm the mind so that we can see things as they are... more than that breathing exercises have nothign to do with meditation.

Ashtavakra says in Ashtavakra samhita: this alone is ur bondage that u try to make your mind still... please understand, one has to know oneself and not still the mind or put his body in a particular posture.
Meditation is merely to see the Self Knowledge and allow the mind to understand it completely.

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Re: What is not Meditation
« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2008, 07:15:37 PM »
Dear srkudai, Adding to whatever you have said,  Meditation
is not 'aniya bhava', it is 'ananiya bhava' that is to have
a bhavana or conviction, that you are not different from the Self.
This is the advice of Bhagavan Ramana in Upadesa Saram.

Arunachala Siva. 

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Re: What is not Meditation
« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2008, 09:50:30 PM »
Dear all,
           Deliberate meditation is a movement of thought.Spontaneous meditation is a movement of unadulterated consciousness.
           Movement of thought in any form is not meditation.Contentless mind is always in a state of spontneous meditation.
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« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2008, 11:21:08 AM »
Dear Raju,  Yes.  Meditation towards an outside god, involves
thoughts.  Meditation within can be without thought.

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Re: What is not Meditation
« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2008, 06:47:04 AM »
 Dear sir

Guru''s grace is also very necessary for self realaisation. Is not it?  I read in sri  Ramana's books that His divine look made
many people spellbound and made them in deep medition. Sometimes I feel physical form of guru is necessary for those who
have not ripined, Your comments are highly appreciated

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Re: What is not Meditation
« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2008, 09:27:36 AM »
Dear Ramanaduli,
                      As long as we have strong identity with the body we require a guru with a body.He will existentially show you that your
essential nature is not this psychosomatic organism.
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« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2008, 11:43:37 AM »
Dear Ramanaduli, Adding to what has been said by Raju,
the Guru is both the Self and the Grace.  The grace is
inseparable from Guru's nature, which is the Self.  Guru
initiates the disciple under three types.  Thorugh, look,
sakshu diksha, through his 'thought', mano diksha and
through touch, sparsa diksha.  This is explained in Arunachala
Aksharamanamalai,

Nokkiye karudhi mey thakkiye.......

These methods are compared to the look of fish towards its
eggs, to the thought of tortoise towards its eggs and the
touch of the hen towards its eggs.

I am for one who believes that there is no need for a Guru to
be in living form.  Guru is beyond the body and hence he need
not be alive, to grace his devotees.  David Godman came to
Bhagavan only in 1976 and he is Self realized and is giving new
insights into Bhagavan's teachings.

Arunachala Siva.   

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Re: What is not Meditation
« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2008, 12:08:51 PM »
Dear Ramanaduli,
                       I want to add one more diksha i.e mouna diksha which is most potent of all dikshas.This is Bhagawan's favorite diksha.
If subramanian allows me i want to coin a new word for this diksha i.e "Aparoksha Diksha" because this is direct transmission of energy
from heart to heart without any intermediary like eye,skin,thought.Rest of the dikshas are paroksha so they are indirect.We get what
we deserve.
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Re: What is not Meditation
« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2008, 02:22:05 PM »
Dear Raju, Yes I agree.  The mouna diksha is the speciality
of Bhagavan Ramana.

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Re: What is not Meditation
« Reply #9 on: October 06, 2008, 07:12:17 PM »
Dear Rajuji and Subramaniyan ji

Thanks for the explaination.. So long I have been worrying not to have His darshan in physically I understood Guru and His grace is not different from your mail. Both are same..Now as you mentioned here, it is His grace which I got through His books. From the book I started learning slowly. It is His grace only showed me this site where I am geting answers for my doubts. He knows that in future many souls would be wandering without any guide therefore He called seekers  to His feet to ask question and He answered to help people like me. As Raju ji told it depends on us how much we derserve.
He explained the meaning of all vedas and upanishad by simple teaching.i.e. we have to go to the source.He made me to read Bharaneedharan's book from where I came to know Maharishi in 1980.It looks so easy but rather difficult to go to the source.

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« Reply #10 on: October 06, 2008, 08:30:01 PM »
Dear Ramanaduli,  Baraneedharan's Arunachala Mahimai, two volumes
(?) is a good starting point.  So also Suddhananda Bharati's Sri
Ramana Vijayam, Tamil, which was published much earlier.
These are the guidelines for Ramana Way.  Ra. Ganapati has also
written about Bhagavan Ramana.  Sri Sadhu Om's books give
an absolutely breathtaking new insights for Bhagavan.  His
Tamil book, Ramana Vazhi (4 volumes) is a little tough to understand,
but on reading twice or thrice, one can understand Bhagavan's
teachings.  The third part of Ramana Vazhi is poems.  You may
keep it at the end.

Arunachala Siva.