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Re: Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa
« Reply #75 on: September 12, 2008, 07:07:44 PM »
Dear Sankar,  You are correct.  Jnani's actions cannot be
deciphered into any partiuclar empirical truth.  For example,
He told Ramanatha Brahmachari, to remove his tuft and have
a shave and also discontinue daily ritual of Gayatri and Sandhya
Vandhanam.  When someone else wanted to put these into
practice, he shouted at him and said not to discontinue. This
is also true for a Jnani's teachings.  Kavyakanta Ganapati Muni
interepreted Ulladu Narpadu as a sakta treatise.  Lakshmana
Sarma interpreted Ulladu Narpadu purely on the basiis
of Ajata doctrine of Gaudapada, the highest form of Advaita.

Arunachala Siva.

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« Reply #76 on: September 12, 2008, 07:09:33 PM »
Dear Subramanian-ji,

My preceeding reply could be elaborated upon. It is from avidya that vidya arrises. Vidya is Self, avidya is nonduel's knowledge.

Your posts Naishkarmya Siddhi - (29 and others) for example talks of this.

If one goes further, is it nonduel's "knowledge" that eventually leads him to vidya, or is it Grace from Self ? We are back to prarabdha!

There is only Self, one without another. Thus is there any knowledge and/or ignorance?

Sri Ramana said that when one loves the teaching and Self-Enquiry, it shows that Grace is flowing from Self. Although the tree has numerous leaves (Jivas) there is only one tree (Self) and the sap is the same.
Oh Arunachala, blazing fire of Jnana, in my heart I pray and think of Thee from afar, root out the ego, merging me in the Self.

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« Reply #77 on: September 12, 2008, 07:10:42 PM »
No no... its not non-duel's delusion ... coz non-duel knows it to be one with himself

 ;) ;D
Oh Arunachala, blazing fire of Jnana, in my heart I pray and think of Thee from afar, root out the ego, merging me in the Self.

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« Reply #78 on: September 12, 2008, 07:18:12 PM »
Dear non duel, Sankar, srkudai,  The delusion or avidya or
ignorance can be empirical knowledge.  Knowledge is Self
Knowledge.  The empirical knowledge of snake, is delusion
avidya, ignorance.  When rope is seen, it is Self Knowledge.
The loss of necklace or the drowning of the 'tenth man' is
again empirical knowledge.  Finding the necklace around one's
own neck and 'seeing the tenth man alive' is Self Knowledge.

Dear non duel, the Self is definitely not beyond knowledge.
It is Knowledge.
 
Self is neither delusion nor knowledge in its empirical sense.
Self is Knowledge.

Arunachala Siva.

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« Reply #79 on: September 12, 2008, 07:29:57 PM »
Dear non duel, Sankar, srkudai,  The delusion or avidya or
ignorance can be empirical knowledge.  Knowledge is Self
Knowledge.  The empirical knowledge of snake, is delusion
avidya, ignorance.  When rope is seen, it is Self Knowledge.
The loss of necklace or the drowning of the 'tenth man' is
again empirical knowledge.  Finding the necklace around one's
own neck and 'seeing the tenth man alive' is Self Knowledge.

Dear non duel, the Self is definitely not beyond knowledge.
It is Knowledge.
 
Self is neither delusion nor knowledge in its empirical sense.
Self is Knowledge.

Arunachala Siva.

Dear Subramanian-ji,

My use of knowledge was in the dualistic sense. The duo of knowledge and ignorance. Thus Self is beyond knowledge in that way. I make a distinction between nonduel's knowledge (snake) and Self-knowledge (rope).
Oh Arunachala, blazing fire of Jnana, in my heart I pray and think of Thee from afar, root out the ego, merging me in the Self.

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« Reply #80 on: September 12, 2008, 10:40:28 PM »
Dear Gangajal,
    :)
Sorry for delaying the response...

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:) Are you forgetting that both Ramakrishna and Ramana took medicines from doctors ? Ramana , i think, did not refuse to get operated... he mentioned that anesthesia is not required for operating it. Perhaps he considered it equivalent to taking drugs.
But both had pain. Ramakrishna too had suffering.

Please do not think that just because you are a Jnani you will not feel pain.
Pain will be there. Discomfort will be there --- Ramakrishna, had discomfort.
If pain is relieved, there is more comfort. Ramakrishna's Gospel talks abt it.

But Pain does not get converted into "Suffering" . Physically the pain is there, The acceptance is so complete, there is no suffering.
The Discomfort is not "unhappiness" . They are not unhappy.

You might have seen Jnani's but not recognized them. You might have met them, but coz your ur preconditionings, you may not understand them... for exampled if you think that someone should not go to a doctor if he is a jnani... Ramakrishna and Ramana are not jnani's too! Please ... a person who is ill and does not go to a doctor ... is not a jnani ... he is stupid! Please understand this.

Its like, i am an expert driver, therefore i wont take my car to the mechanic when it gives a problem.

That is a perfect sign that the person has gone nuts.
And please, just becoz Ramakrishna did it, dont throw money into waters ... if u do not want it, give it to the poor ... money is not the problem ... money does not say : " please pick me up, put in your pocket and feel proud"... we do that. We do not know how to handle money ... not knowing ourselves, we start to think that money makes us complete and become greedy. The money in your shelves does not even know u r the owner. it cannot trouble u. that is why when a thief picks it up, it does not even protest ... the thief comes, takes away the money and the money does not care! i become mad ! coz i, not knowing myself as the Self, associated my own completeness with the money. Ramakrishna was trying to get rid of his greed, but i think better would have been to give it to someone for whom it can be of use.

Lets be jnani's but also be intelligent. lets go to doctor for curing our diseases, not to a Swami. Let us go to the car machanic when car gets into trouble ... not pray before it! and for mental health ... eat good food, exercise ... but when you cannot eat some food, dont become a miserable person... when you have a body that is ill, accept ... that is the sign of a jnani.

Love!
Silence

Dear Silence,
      I read in a book that Sri Ramana refused to amputate his arm to prevent the cancer from spreading.
Any way, if as you say that one should take medicine for the illness of the body (a very sensible advice)
then how can you say that the body is dead?
      I asked a resident of a Ramakrishna Vedanta center if Sri Ramakrishna felt pain during his cancer. He told me that
according to the Swamis, Sri Ramakrishna did not feel any pain during his cancer.

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Gangajal

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« Reply #81 on: September 12, 2008, 11:53:07 PM »
Dear Silence,

    I was responding to your assertion that the ego is even now not there. In that post
you said that, 'Body is never alive... so it is neither born nor dies!'.   Yet you have no
problem taking medicine to cure the dead body!

   I suggest that the statement, 'Body is never alive... so it is neither born nor dies!' is not
true for us. So when is such a statement true? I think such a statement is true only when
one is in ego-less Nirvikalpa samadhi. Otherwise you will run into paradoxes!

   I also think that the ego is a real problem It is a real problem since as Sri Ramakrishna says,
'Maya is nothing but the egotism of the embodied soul. This egotism has covered everything like
a veil'. The ego is an expression of the Divine Maya shakti. This is the reason why it is non-trivial
to go past it.

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Gangajal

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« Reply #82 on: September 13, 2008, 11:07:00 AM »
Dear non duel, srkudai, Gangaal, Sankar,  We are all going
round and round the snake, because we are yet to see the rope!
Where is the tenth man, by the way?

Arunachala Siva.

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« Reply #83 on: September 13, 2008, 04:31:05 PM »
Dear non duel, srkudai, Gangaal, Sankar,  We are all going
round and round the snake, because we are yet to see the rope!
Where is the tenth man, by the way?

Arunachala Siva.

Sitting with Sri Ramana on Arunachala and laughing out loud .... ::)
Oh Arunachala, blazing fire of Jnana, in my heart I pray and think of Thee from afar, root out the ego, merging me in the Self.

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« Reply #84 on: September 13, 2008, 05:00:25 PM »
Dear non duel,  Bhagavan Sri Ramana is the 'stranger'
who comes and gives us all one blow each, so that we
shall count for each blow once, and Eureka! the tenth
man is with us! 

Arunachala Siva.

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« Reply #85 on: September 14, 2008, 12:21:12 PM »
Dear skrudai, Nice story of Sri RK about the dog biting and chewing
the dry bone and enjoying the blood that was oozing out from its
gums.  One story of Sri RK, where He was exccedingly kind and
cool, was when Girish asked Him to cure His throat cancer, and when
He was doing nothing to cure Himself, Girsh said:  "You are believing
in a God, and if that god does not cure you, I shall piss on that god!"
Sri RK did not react in either way!

Arunachala Siva.
 

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« Reply #86 on: September 14, 2008, 12:28:11 PM »
Dear srkudai,  About the intentions and not the act of the Zen
master,  one day, I was seen caressing a photo of Bhagavan
Sri Ramana, (the bust size photograph) on a book, and on seeing
me, my wife asked:  "What are you doing?  What are you telling
Ramana?  I answered, which was a truth:  " I am asking Him,
why not You apply some oil or thylam everyday on your chest,
so that the marks on your chest, (due to some ailment of the past),
can be kept wet and it will not dry up and peel off, causing pain
and bleeding!"  My wife looked at me curiously and asked "Why?
Does He not know Himself?"  I replied:  "No, may be Yes. But, I am
only telling Him, my intention and wish!"

Arunachala Siva.   

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Re: Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa
« Reply #87 on: September 15, 2008, 10:55:31 PM »
Yes, now I agree with you Silence!

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« Reply #88 on: September 17, 2008, 10:13:05 AM »
Some are interested in Saguna Brahman in which they relate with God in dualistic way,some are interested in God without any attributes
i.e Nirguna Brahman.It all depends on the mind set of the devotee.
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« Reply #89 on: September 17, 2008, 11:02:47 AM »
Dear srkudai,
                 To experience Saguna or Nirguna Brahman one must have the same intensity as that of a drowning man struggling for air
                  says Chaitanya Prabhu.
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