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Re: Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa
« Reply #120 on: October 01, 2008, 11:09:45 PM »
Dear Gangajal,
            :)

That statement essentially is a restatement of what i was saying: You are not the Doer. Things happen through you, you are not the one who is doing. A devotee of Ramana says: I am like a flute... it is the wind that whistles. Please see the simplicity of this...

There is nothing like "Attainment" of self ... You are it. But doership has to die... but doership dies of itself ... in due course. That you are inquiring into Spirituality is already a sign that your "doer-ship" 's time has come...

So this is how it happens ... someone who wants to know the Truth ... if he is ready , hears this: You are not the Doer ... and if he is truely ready "FLASH" he is free.

If he is not ready, he might take a different track ... keep on putting limitations on himself ... and one fine day, he would hear this again --- lo! Flash, he is free.


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Silence

Dear Silence,

      It would be lovely if it happens like ,"You are not the Doer ... and if he is truely ready "FLASH" he is free. ". In reality Spiritual practice is a hard slog trying to remove impurities or obstacles.

     Let me tell you a conversation with some of us and a certain Swami S some years ago. I attended 4 lectures by the Swami on Pancadasi. After the lecture ended some of us met the Swami outside the lecture hall. An American asked the Swami whether he knew anyone who has experienced Savikalpa Samadhi. The Swami smiled and said yes. Then he asked us if we noticed anything wrong with his behavior. I
got the distinct impression that he was stuck at some point and he was trying to find out the reason for his spiritual problem. People fail because they have failed to completely purify their heart.

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Re: Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa
« Reply #121 on: October 02, 2008, 01:41:53 AM »
Dear Silence,
      I have a question for you about a completely different topic. Do you know the policy of Lord Venkataswara temple in Tirupati. Do they allow white Hindus to enter the temple?

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Re: Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa
« Reply #122 on: October 02, 2008, 09:00:16 AM »
Self-enquiry is one of the path for self realisation,it is "not the only path".Bhagawan himself admitted that if there is total surrender there is no need to do
self-enquiry.Total surrender is Para Bhakti.This is seen in Gopikas,chaitanya Prabhu,Ramakrishna Paramahamsa,Meera Bai,Raman Maharshi,Moses,Jesus after
crucifixion,Hanuman,Radha,Narada,Vidura to mention few.
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« Reply #123 on: October 02, 2008, 01:57:21 PM »
Dear Gangajal,  I never said that Atma Vichara alone confers
Atma Jnana, the Knowledge of the Self.  Bhagavan approved
all the other paths as ancillary tracts to reach the roay path
of self enquiry.  One can take an route that it suits him most.
But, at the end, he comes to the royal path.  In Sri Ramana
Pada Malai, about 3000 verses on Ramana's Feet, (which
contains many of Bhagavan's direct sayings, Muruganar says:

My Ramana's feet said: " Para Bhakti is Para Jnana.  Siva Bhakti
is Siva Jnana." 

This is also described in Upadesa Saram. 

Arunachala Siva. 

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Re: Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa
« Reply #124 on: October 02, 2008, 11:14:20 PM »
Dear Subramanian,

     Thank you for the clarification.

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« Reply #125 on: October 02, 2008, 11:15:25 PM »
Dear Silence,
     Thank you for the information regarding Tirupathi.

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Re: Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa
« Reply #126 on: October 02, 2008, 11:43:04 PM »
Dear Silence,

        You have written,

  "Without understanding if the same thing is done to keep the mind still, the basic problem is not solved, so the quietness of mind will only remain for a limited time... and soon, vanish. Coz cause of the lack of calmness is not eliminated... only mind is calmed for a few moments."

I looked at the following Gita verses:

Fix your mind on Me alone; let your reason penetrate into Me; without doubt
you will then abide in Me alone for ever more. (Gita 12.8)

If you are unable to fix your mind steadily on Me (even at the start) then try
to reach Me through the systematic practice of concentration. (Gita 12.9)

It seems to me that one does not need the type of understanding you are advocating. It is enough to accept that you are trying to fix your mind on God. If the mind refuses to remain calm then Gita 12.9 says try again. One can get control over the mind through practice. So what
role does understanding play? I would say none. One has a crude intellectual type understanding at the beginning. One's understaning
grows as one tries repeatedly to fix the mind.

Of course Gita also accepts the path of Jnana as is clear from this verse:

Those who are devoted to the Imperishable (the Impersonal Absolute) - who is
the firm support of the world and is also undefinable, unmanifested,
transcendent, motionless, and all-pervading - even they reach me alone,
striving with their senses controlled, and with mind tranquillised and set
on the welfare of all. (Gita 12.3-4)

Gita, however, says that

The obstacles facing those devoted to the Impersonal Absolute are far greater;
for the way of an unclear ideal is difficult for an embodied being to understand and follow.
(Gita 12.5)

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Gangajal


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Re: Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa
« Reply #127 on: October 03, 2008, 10:43:35 AM »
Dear srkudai,  Yes.  The first 6 chapters of Gita speak about Thou,
the second 6 chapters speak about That and the last six, the union
: Tat Tvam Asi.  I have also read Gambhirananda's book.  It is
wonderful.  It is also said:  The second chapter, Sankhya Yoga,
is the essence of the entire Gita.  The other chapters are all
details. 

Arunachala Siva.

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Re: Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa
« Reply #128 on: October 03, 2008, 11:03:07 AM »
Though self is both manifest and unmanifest during Sadhana stage we have to disciminate between drik and drisya.Even Bhagawan spoke
about drik drisya viveka.We should not start from paramarthika satya during Sadhana.The truth that both manifest and unmanifest is one and the same is the final existential understanding.
Wise people do not hold on to Adviata when they relate to a Master though they knew pretty well about Advaita.
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