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Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa
« on: September 02, 2008, 02:12:45 PM »
Well Friends, I always wanted to write about Sri Ramakrishna ... but every time i start, i find that i cannot proceed beyond a point. for however much i try, i fail to describe him correctly.
Sri Ramakrishna was perhaps one of the most profound Saints of modern times... but it is my honest opinion that most people mistook him.

Sri Ramakrishna's attitude towards life can be described in a simple example he himself gave. He said, he was like a kitten, a kitten knows nothing more than its mother... if something frightens it or if it feels hungry ... all it knows is to cry "meow"... and its mother takes care of it.
He lived his whole life thus. His ego was totally surrendered to his Mother. His life illustrates Total Surrender. He was a child of his mother and nothing else. His mother took care of him, he just remains as a child, without worry and happily enjoying life---at the same time illustrating how one should surrender to God.

The aim of this thread is to describe his teachings and life in a systematic way.

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« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2008, 02:33:40 PM »
Dear srkudai and others,  Mother was everything for Sri Ramakrishna.
Once Mathur Babu, said that his wife Jagadamba is seriously ill
and doctors could not cure her.  He requested RK to pray Kali for
his sake.  RK went to Kali and prayed to Her sincerely.  He took
Mathur Babu to the garden in Dakshineshwar and showed him the
flowers.  Mathur Babu was still sceptic about RK's ability to cure
his wife. Suddenly RK said that these plants, (which will only
have red flowers), will have green flowers, and asked Mathur Babu
to come and see tomorrow.  Mathur Babu did not understand RK's
behaviour, went home and came back again next day, more worried
about his wife's health.  That day RK showed him the green flowers
from those plants, which will have only red flowers!  That evening,
Mathur Babu's wife became totally normal.  RK told him that what
cannot be done by a human being, god will do.  Someone,
who was an agnositc asked RK humourously,  "What is your Kali
doing now?"  RK replied:  "She is pushing an elephant through
the eyes of a needle!"  What is impossible for God or Brahman?


Arunachala Siva.
             

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« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2008, 04:08:32 PM »
Dear srkudai and others,  Sri Ramakrishna used 'crying' as
an expression of 'bhakti' and considered it as major tool
for self-realization.  He used to talk of 'Maha-bhava', the
horripilation, crying, singing, dancing as indications of
the higest devotion.  Saint Manikkavachagar also sings:
"Can I not get you by crying? O Siva!" in Tiruvachakam.
Even though Jnana and advaita are the main planks of
Sri Ramakrishna Order, many direct disciples and today's
monks of the Order, have recommended 'bhakti', as a major
route, for self realization.  For example, Sri Ramakrishnanda,
who started the Madras Math, was praying to Krishna and
RK.  Swami Vivekananda was not like that.  He was not even
praying before  RK's picture.   Later, Swami Ranganathananda
was an exponent of pure Jnana.  Swami Tapasyananda was an
exponent of bhakti also.

Bhagavan Ramana did not discourage crying.  He told Mother
Azhagamma, to cry, when He had chided her for a small mistake.
Muruganar and Krishna Bhikshu have cried.  Bhagavan said
crying will help to belittle one's own ego but not to merge with
Godhead. In fact, Arunachala Aksharamana Malai, the Marital Garland
of Letters is full of crying, of the lover (Ramana) to merge in Godhead
(Arunachala). 
   
Arunachala Siva.   

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« Reply #3 on: September 02, 2008, 09:26:00 PM »
Dear srkudai and others,  Sri Ramakrishna used 'crying' as
an expression of 'bhakti' and considered it as major tool
for self-realization. 

Bhagavan Ramana did not discourage crying.  He told Mother
Azhagamma, to cry, when He had chided her for a small mistake.
Muruganar and Krishna Bhikshu have cried.  Bhagavan said
crying will help to belittle one's own ego but not to merge with
Godhead.
   
Arunachala Siva.   

DEAR SIR,

THIS IS INDEED A GOOD DISCUSSION AND LOT OF INTERESTING THINGS  IN IT.

YES, CRYING DOES A LOT OF HELP IN SWIMMING OVER VASANAS AND FLYING PAST TO THE GOAL;  AND IT ALSO REMOVES DIRT FROM OUR INNER EYE. DEFINITELY IT IS A HELPING TOOL.

I DO USED TO WEEP GENERALLY IN FRONT OF BHAGVANS PHOTO AS HOW HE LIVED A DIFFICULT LIFE WITH A COD PIECE. WHERE AS I AM NOT COMFORTABLE EVEN WITH ALL THE FACILITIES. AS TO FIND WHAT IS THE WAY OF LIVING HAPPILY AND FINALLY UNDERSTOOD THAT BODY CONSCIOUSNESS IS TO BE TOTALLY DESTROYED BY THE SELF ENQUIRY NAD ABIDING IN SELF AND THAT IS THE LIBERATION. EARNING ANY AMOUNT OF NAME, FAME, WEALTH IS OF NO USE; AS FINALLY WE HAVE TO LEAVE EVERYTHING AND THE WHOLE LIFE IS WASTE.

AS ALL OF US ARE GODS CHILDREN THE MOTHER LIKE GOD ATTENDS FIRST TO THE CRYING BABY.

THANKS A LOT FOR SR KUDAI SIR FOR YOUR KIND POSTING,PLEASE CONTINUE AS IT IS VERY INTERESTING AND ENCOURAGING TO THE BEGINNERS LIKE ME.

SIVA SIVA

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Re: Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa
« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2008, 02:16:34 AM »
Sri Ramakrishna taught someone according to his or her capacity. He accepted both Bhakti and Jnana. It is my impression that Sri Ramana gave stress to Jnana.

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« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2008, 11:39:10 AM »
Dear gangajal,  You are a new member.  Hearty welcome to you.
Sri RK stressed both bhakti and jnana.  Sri Ramana's emphasis
was that bhakti is the pathway to jnana and for self realization,
jnana alone is needed.

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« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2008, 03:33:41 PM »
Dear Gangajal,
                   If we closely look at the life and teachings of Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa and Raman Maharshi there is obvious complete
surrender.You cannot have Jnana or Bhakti without surrender.It is we from our point of view categorise their teaching as Bhakti or Jnana.
Both of them pointed out the importance of Bhakti and Jnana in spiritual practice.Bhagawan wrote Akshara Mana Malai and other poems on
Arunachaleswara.Is it not Bhakti? Likewise Ramakrishna told Jnana in short story forms many a time.Is it not Jnana?
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« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2008, 01:19:16 PM »
Dear srkudai,  Yes.  Sri RK suggested to act like noble souls,
gods etc.,  Even in normal worldly life, we see mediocre students
keeping the brilliant students as role models, following such
pracices like studying at regular hours, doing the homework
promptly etc., and impoving in their studies.  Many Western
devotees kept fellow seekers or Bhagavan as role models and
stopped eating meat.  Devaraja Mudaliar also adopted vegetarianism
like that.  Many ashramites got up in early mornings, which was
not their usual practice, by following Bhagavan and other Ashramites.

Sri RK, did that with intense bhavana.  It is said that he grew
a tail when he was meditating or acting like Hanuman.  During
his Islamic sadhana, he literally forgot Kali and other Hindu gods
and hated idol worship.  Intense conviction is essential.  Ribhu
Gita also says the same.  A worm inside the cocoon, intensely
meditated on the mother, and came out of the cocoon as a fly!
Saint Manikkavachagar says in Tiruvachakam:  "Natakathal
un-adiyar pol nadithu, veedahathe puguvan vizhaii hindren!"
"I am acting as your devotee and am eager to rush to Sivaloka!"

Arunachala Siva.   

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« Reply #8 on: September 04, 2008, 02:03:04 PM »
Intensity of Bhavana is so deep in Ramakrishna Paramahamsa that he developed menstruation when he thought he was Radha longing for
Lord Krishna.Even inspiritual history such events are rare and shows the depth of devotion.
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« Reply #9 on: September 04, 2008, 02:08:56 PM »
Dear Raju, Very nice.  I also remember his menstruation, when
he was playing the role of Radha.

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Re: Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa
« Reply #10 on: September 04, 2008, 11:08:19 PM »
Thanks, Silence, Subramanian.R. and DRPVSSNRAJU!

Yes, surrender is certainly one of the recommended methods. In my opinion, however, surrender is a very difficult method.
The ego keeps coming in the way!  To surrender means that one has to accept all the difficulties of life without once asking
God for help. Surrender is for the really strong person. The difficulty of surrendering one's ego leads lot of people to think
of themselves as only an instrument of God. That is also recommended by Sri Ramakrishna.

Regards

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« Reply #11 on: September 05, 2008, 06:45:39 AM »
DEAR SIRS,

DEEP DEVOTION AND FULL INVOLVEMENT IS REQUIRED IN PRACTICAL LIFE TOO.

REALLY TO KNOW GOD ONE MUST BECOME GOD.

SIVA SIVA
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« Reply #12 on: September 05, 2008, 07:12:02 AM »
Yes, surrender is certainly one of the recommended methods. The ego keeps coming in the way!  To surrender means that one has to accept all the difficulties of life without once asking
God for help. Surrender is for the really strong person.

Regards

Gangajal

DEAR SIR,

SURRENDER IS THE ONLY WAY WHICH WILL ULTIMATELY LEAD TO SELF REALISATION.

AS YOU  SAID SURRENDER IS DIFFICULT BUT TRUE; BUT NO OTHER WAY.

PRACTISE AND SADHANA IS FOR ANNIHILATION OF EGO ONLY.

ONCE WE ARE NOT THE DOER WE HAVE TO ACCEPT THE DIFFICULTIES IN LIFE AS IT IS.

MEDDLING WITH THAT IS INTERRUPTION IN GODS PERFORMANCE  AND THEREBY WE ACCUMULATE KARMA BENEFITS AND IT CAN NOT BE NISHKAMYA KARMA. HE IS  DOING IT ( MAY BE BAD ) FOR THE BETTERMENT OF US AND TO GET RID OF OUR SINS.

WE HAVE TO BECOME STRONG BY ACCEPTING AS IT IS IN LIFE TO GET REALISATION.

THIS SAD AND BAD INCIDENTS ARE TO MAKE US TO BECOME STRONG; SO LET US ACCEPT IT AS IT IS AND SURRENDER TO GOD.

WE ARE ALL THE SINNERS AND TO GET RID OF IT LET US ACCEPT AS THE HAPPENINGS AS IT IS.

THIS IS THE REASON I ASKED SRKUDAI SIR TO POST LIFE OF SAINTS AND LEARN FROM THEM HOW THEY ACCEPTED THE THING AND HOW THEY LEAD A HAPPY LIFE IN THAT DIFFICULT SITUATION TOO. AS THEY SURRENDERED TO GOD AND WEEP AT GOD TO SAVE THEM SELF. THERBY THEY CLEANSED THEIR SINS, EGO AND POLISHED THEIR SELF.

BHAGVAN RAMANA SURRENDERED TO ARUNACHALA
RAMAKRISHNA SWAMY SURRENDERED TO MA KALI
JESUS SURRENDERED TO YEHOVA

FROM THIS IT IS CLEARLY UNDERSTOOD THAT ONE HAS TO SURRENDER COMPLETELY TO THE GOD TO GET LIBERATION THERE IS NO OTHER WAY LEFT OUT. AND IT IS ONE AND ONLY WAY FOR THE LIBERATION. DO IT NOW OR AT ANY GENERATION. THIS PATH WILL NEVER CHANGE; AS TRUTH IS SAME AS FOREVER.


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« Reply #13 on: September 05, 2008, 09:52:03 AM »
Surrender requires an innocent mind.Innocent mind neither demands anything nor make any complaints against God.This is possible only
when one loves God for God sake only.
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« Reply #14 on: September 05, 2008, 10:54:03 AM »
Dear gangajal and srkudai,  Yes.  Surrender is as difficult as
self enquiry.   We are all doing partial surrenders thinking it
is surrender.  Total surrender is something quite different.  Saint
Manikkavachagar says in Tiruvachakam, Tiruvembavai,

" O Siva, I am your maiden, I am subservient to you always.
Our breasts will not rest in anyone's else's shoulders excepting yours!
After that, what if, if it is day or night?  I do not see either.
I do not care, even if the sun rises in any direction! "

Arunachala Siva.