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Nagaraj

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What is this Ego?
« on: December 28, 2012, 04:28:46 PM »
The gross egoism is not so dangerous as the subtle egoism

Ego or Egoism or Egotism or Ahamkara in Sanskrit is the self-asserting principle or Tattva born of ignorance or Prakriti. Abhimana is egoism. Garva is egoism.

The seed of this ego is the differentiating intellect or Bheda Buddhi. It is the ego which has created the idea of separateness from God or the Atman. It is the ego which is the root cause for all human sufferings and births and deaths.

This ego identifies itself with the body, mind, Prana, the senses. Wherever there is ego, there are mineness, selfishness, likes and dislikes, lust, anger, greed, hypocrisy, pride, jealousy, delusion, arrogance, conceit, impertinence, Vasanas, Trishna or cravings and Vrittis or Sankalpa, clinging to this earth-life (Abhinivesha), agency, doer (Kartha) and enjoyer (Bhokta).

You must have very clear understanding of the nature of this ego, if you want to annihilate egoism. Killing of egoism is killing of mind only. Destruction of thought, desires, cravings, mineness, selfishness, jealousy, pride, lust is really destruction of mind or egoism. Control of senses also is annihilation of the mind or egoism.

This egoism assumes a subtle form. The gross egoism is not so dangerous as the subtle egoism. Institutional egoism is a subtle form of egoism. The man identifies himself with the institution and gets attached to the institution or cult. He has no broad-mindedness or catholicity.

The working of egoism is very mysterious. It is very difficult to detect its various ways of working. It needs a subtle and sharp intellect to find out its operation. If you practise introspection daily in silence you will be able to find out its mysterious ways of working.

This ego likes his own birth place and district, people of his district, own mother tongue, his own relations and friends, his own ways of eating, mode of dressing. He has his own predilections and preferences. He dislikes others' ways of eating, dressing etc.

This ego wants to exercise power and influence over others. He wants titles, prestige, status, respect, prosperity, house, wife, children. He wants self-aggrandisement. He wishes to domineer and rule over others. If anybody points out his defects, his vanity feels offended. If anyone praises him he is elated. This ego says, I know everything. He does not know anything. What I say is quite correct. What he says is quite incorrect. He is inferior to me. I am superior to him. He forces others to follow his ways and views.

This ego will lurk like a thief when you start introspection and self-analysis. It will elude your grasp and understanding. You must be ever alert and vigilant. If you obtain the grace of the Lord through Japa, Kirtan, prayer and devotion you can easily kill this ego. Through Lord's grace only your self-surrender will become Perfect.

When this ego melts in the cosmic ego you will attain communion with the Lord or Self-realisation.

May you realise the goal of life and attain everlasting Bliss through annihilation of this little ego!

(Swami Sivananda)

॥ शांतमात्मनि तिष्ट ॥
Remain quietly in the Self.
~ Vasishta

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Re: What is this Ego?
« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2012, 04:29:59 PM »
The games of the ego are very subtle

they become more and more subtle. And if one has really decided to drop it anyhow, the ultimate strategy that the ego can use to protect itself is to become egolessness; is to pretend humility, humbleness; is to show that ’Now there is no need to fight with me, I am not at all. ’

The ego is one of the most fundamental problems man has to face. The ways of the ego have to be understood rightly otherwise you will never be able to get rid of it. And until you get rid of the ego there is no possibility of meeting God. It is the ego that functions as a barrier between you and reality.

The ego functions as a barrier because it is one of the most unreal things possible. The ego is a fiction, it is not a fact. It is maintained by conditioning, hypnosis; it is maintained by a thousand and one props It is a fiction – because existence is one. It can have only one centre, it cannot have millions of centres.

What is the ego? The ego is the idea that ’I am the centre of the universe.’ That is what ego is – reduced to the basic – the idea that ’I am the centre of the universe.’ ’I’ cannot be the centre of the universe but everybody has the idea that ’I am the centre of the universe.’ And the second part of the ego is: it is separative, it is a fiction that separates you from the totality.

It gives you the idea that you are independent, that you are an island. And you are not. Existence is a vast infinite continent. There are no islands. You are not separate and you are not independent. And remember, when I say you are not independent I don’t mean that you are dependent – because the very idea of dependence will again presuppose the ego. There is nobody to be independent and there is nobody to be dependent.

We live in interdependence, in mutual existence, in mutuality. We are parts of each other, members of one another. The trees are penetrating you and the rocks are penetrating you and the rivers are penetrating you – and you are penetrating the rivers and the trees and the rocks. The farthest star is connected with you. And when you blink your eyes you change the quality of the total existence. All is infinitely interconnected, interwoven. Nobody is separate.

So nobody can be independent and nobody can be dependent. Independence and dependence are both aspects of the same coin called ego. A real person is neither. A real person simply does not exist as a person He has no boundaries. He exists as God, not as a person.

(Osho)

॥ शांतमात्मनि तिष्ट ॥
Remain quietly in the Self.
~ Vasishta

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Re: What is this Ego?
« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2012, 04:58:24 PM »
Sri Tushnim,

We are all very wise when it comes to the acknowledgement of the need of subtle ego for normal functions of the wordly activities, but when it comes to the spiritual quest, the general tendency of mind fails to recognise the big elephant (which is itself) before it but is capable of analyzing the subtlest of subtlest truth with telescopic abilities. It relishes being a witness of everything, but fails to trace back the source of its own self.

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॥ शांतमात्मनि तिष्ट ॥
Remain quietly in the Self.
~ Vasishta

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Re: What is this Ego?
« Reply #3 on: December 28, 2012, 07:02:23 PM »
ego is simply the BELIEF that you are a separate person ... the BELIEF that you ARE the story of the self the mind tells .
there is a possibility through self investigation to see that it is only a story and then there is a real choice to tell the story or not .
when you see that who you think you are is only a thought , the ego ( belief in the story ) simply stops .
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simply stop telling the story of the self and see who you are without it

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Re: What is this Ego?
« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2012, 07:36:26 PM »
What is ego?

Mind is a snake. When it is simply curling up, it is mind. If it starts rising up and shows its poisonous hoods and tongue,
it is ego.

Arunachala Siva.
 

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Re: What is this Ego?
« Reply #5 on: December 28, 2012, 08:32:24 PM »

Dear Beloved Abstract

You have prompted me to add  that the opposite of "I am separate from God" is not " I am not separate from God". With that  you are still left with an objectifying "I".   "I am" is another matter.

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Re: What is this Ego?
« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2012, 07:53:59 PM »
Verse 9 of Mouna Guru VaNakkam:

ஆங்கார மானகுல வேடவெம் பேய்பாழ்த்த
       ஆணவத் தினும்வலிதுகாண்

    அறிவினை மயக்கிடும் நடுவறிய வொட்டாது
       யாதொன்று தொடினும் அதுவாய்த்

தாங்காது மொழிபேசும் அரிகரப் பிரமாதி
       தம்மொடு சமானமென்னுந்

    தடையற்ற தேரிலஞ் சுருவாணி போலவே
       தன்னிலசை யாதுநிற்கும்

ஈங்காரெ னக்குநிகர் என்னப்ர தாபித்
       திராவணா காரமாகி

    இதயவெளி யெங்கணுந் தன்னரசு நாடுசெய்
       திருக்கும்இத னொடெந்நேரமும்

வாங்காநி லாஅடிமை போராட முடியுமோ
       மௌனோப தேசகுருவே

    மந்த்ரகுரு வேயோக தந்த்ரகுரு வேமூலன்
       மரபில்வரு மௌன குருவே

    Know ye, mightier far than accursed anava,
Is ahankara, the murderous hunter devil.
It will befog reason,
It will not let you know the right.
Whatever it touches
It identifies the self with that
And will say unbearable things.
It will claim that it is equal to
Hari, Hara, Brahma and the rest of the Gods.
It will stand like the axle pin
Of a moving car,
Itself immobile in the center of things.
It will proclaim itself:
''Who is here equal to me?''
And filled with Ravana like spirit
It will establish its tyrannous rule
In the domain of the heart.
How can this poor slave
Be contending with it all the time?

Oh! Guru that instructs in silentness!
Oh! Mantra Guru! Oh, Yoga Tantra Guru!
Mauna Guru that comes in the line of Mula the Holy!


॥ शांतमात्मनि तिष्ट ॥
Remain quietly in the Self.
~ Vasishta

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Re: What is this Ego?
« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2013, 05:17:44 PM »
But we are all the ego right now, like the thing I feel to be as right now, my identity is the ego?
So I am trying to destroy myself right now really right? Would I be right in saying that?

That's mad. Where does this idea of wanting to kill my ego-self come from? From the self?

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Re: What is this Ego?
« Reply #8 on: March 09, 2013, 05:24:10 PM »
Ego is the self asserting principle of mind.  The gross ego is that which gives rise to anger, pride, lust etc.,  The subtle ego
does not come out with actions but nurtures these feelings inside.  Egoless state is Jnana.

Arunachala Siva,