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Re: Day by Day with Bhagavan:
« Reply #45 on: January 13, 2013, 08:58:40 AM »
09.03.1946:

Dr. Masalavala, retired Chief Medical Officer of Bhopal who has been for more than a month now and who is now is also
temporary charge of the Asramam Hospital, in the absence of Dr. Shiva Rao. He asked:

Q:  Bhagavan says, 'The influence of the Jnani steals into the devotee in silence.' Bhagavan also says, 'Contact with great men,
exalted souls, is one efficacious means of realizing one's true being.'

Bhagavan: Yes. What is the contradiction? Jnani, great men, exalted souls -- does he (the questioner) differentiate between these?

Thereupon, I said, No.

Bhagavan: Contact with them is good. They will work through silence. By speaking, their power is reduced. Silence is most
powerful. Speech is always less powerful than silence. So mental contact is the best.

Q: Does this hold good even after the dissolution of the physical body of the Jnani or is it true only so long as he is in flesh
and blood?

Bhagavan: Guru is not the physical form. So the contact will remain even after the physical form of the Guru vanishes.

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Re: Day by Day with Bhagavan:
« Reply #46 on: January 14, 2013, 09:00:00 AM »
09.03.1946:

afternoon:

Q: Is liberation to be achieved before the dissolution of the body or can it be had after death? What is the meaning of a verse
like II.72 in Gita?

Bhagavan: Is there death for you?  For whom is the death? The body which dies, were you aware of it, did you have it during
sleep? The body was not, when you slept, but you existed even then. When you awoke, you got the body and even in the waking
state you exist. You existed both in sleep and waking. But the body did not exist in sleep and exists only in waking. That which
does not always exist, but exists at one time and not at another, cannot be real. You exist always and you alone are therefore real,

Liberation is another name for you. It is always here and now with you. It has not to be won or reached hereafter or somewhere.

The Gita verse only mentions in the context of the whole of Gita that you must achieve liberation during your lifetime, Even if you fail
do it during your lifetime, you must think of God at least at the time of death, since one becomes what he thinks of at the time of death. But unless all your life you have been thinking of God, unless you are accustomed to dhyana of God always during life, it would not at
all be possible for you to think of God at the time of death.

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Re: Day by Day with Bhagavan:
« Reply #47 on: January 15, 2013, 09:34:42 AM »
26.06.1946:

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Khanna then asked, 'The illumination plus mind is Jivatma and the Illumination alone is Paramatma. Is that right?

Bhagavan assented and then pointed to His towel and said, 'We call this a white cloth, but the cloth and its whiteness
cannot be separated, and it is the same with the illumination and the mind that unite to form the ego.'  Then He added:
'The following illustration that is often given in books will also help you. The lamp in the theater is the Parabrahman or
the illumination, as you put it. It illumines itself and the stage and actors. We see the stage and the actors by its light.
But its light still continues when there is no more play. Another illustration is an iron rod that is compared to the mind.
Fire joins it and it becomes red hot. It glows and can burn things, like fire, but still it has a definite shape, unlike fire. If
we hammer it, it is the rod that receives the blows, not the fire. The rod is jiivatma and the fire is the Self or Paramatma.'

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Re: Day by Day with Bhagavan:
« Reply #48 on: January 16, 2013, 09:39:10 AM »
02.07.1946:

This evening, after parayana, Venkatarama Iyer came and told Sri Bhagavan: "It seems that Mrs. Taleyarkhan and her guestg,
a cousin of Sir Mirza of Mysore, were sitting on the Hill, talking about Bhagavan and the Hill, and Mrs. Taleyarkhan said: 'Bhagavan is a
walking God and all our prayers are answered. That is my experience. Bhagavan says that this Hill is God Himself. I cannot understand
all that, but Bhagavan says so, so I believe it.'  Thereupon, her friend replied, 'I would take it as a sign, according to our Persian
beliefs, if it would rain.'

Almost immediately, there was a shower and they came to me drenched and told me about it."
   
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Re: Day by Day with Bhagavan:
« Reply #49 on: January 17, 2013, 12:41:01 PM »
03.07.1946:

Visitor: When one attains Self Realization, what is the guarantee that one has really attained it and is not under an illusion
like the lunatic, who thinks he is Napolean or some such thing?

Maharshi: In a sense, speaking of Self Realization is a delusion. It is only because people have been under the delusion that
the non-Self is the Self and the unreal the Real, that they have be weaned out of it, by the other delusion called Self
Realization. Because actually the Self always is the Self and there is no such thing as realizing it. Who is to realize what, and how,
when all that exists is the Self and nothing but the Self.

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Re: Day by Day with Bhagavan:
« Reply #50 on: January 18, 2013, 12:31:53 PM »
03.07.1946:

( a little later)

Visitor: Different teachers have set up different schools and proclaimed different truths and so confused people. Why?

Bhagavan: They have all taught the same truth, but from different stand points. Such differences were necessary to meet the
needs of different minds differently constituted. But they all reveal the same Truth.

Visitor: Since they have recommended different paths which is one to follow?

Bhagavan: You speak of the paths as if you were somewhere and the Self  somewhere else and you had to go and reach it.
But in fact, the Self is here and now and you are always that. It is like you being here and asking people the way to Sri Ramanasramam
and complaining that each one shows a different path and asking which one to follow.

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Re: Day by Day with Bhagavan:
« Reply #51 on: January 19, 2013, 10:24:34 AM »
16.07.1946:

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A visitor asked Sri Bhagavan what one should do for the betterment of Atma.

Bhagavan: What do you mean by Atma and by betterment?

Visitor: We don't know all that. That is why we come here.

Bhagavan: The Self or Atma is always as it is. There is no such thing as attaining it. All that is necessary is to give up regarding
the not-Self as Self and the unreal as the Real. When we give up identifying ourselves with the body, the Self alone remains.

Visitor: But how is one to give up this identification? Will coming here and getting our doubts removed help in the process?

Bhagavan: Questions are always about things that you don't know and will be endless unless you find out who the questioner is.
Though the things about which the questions are asked are unknown, there can be no doubt that a questioner exists to ask the
questions, and if you ask who he is, all doubts will be set at rest.

Visitor: All that I want to know is whether the Satsangh is necessary and whether my coming here will help me or not.

Bhagavan: First you must decide what is Sat Sangh. It means association with the Sat or Reality. One who knows or has realized
Sat is also regarded as Sat. Such association with Sat or with one who knows the Sat is absolutely necessary for all. Sankara
has said that in all the three worlds there is no boat like Sat Sangh to carry one safely across the ocean of births and deaths.

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Re: Day by Day with Bhagavan:
« Reply #52 on: January 20, 2013, 12:57:42 PM »
17.07.1946:

This morning Bhagavan was speaking about a letter from Mr. Pande, Principal of a college in Khatmandu, telling about an
incident that Mr. Pande has already described in the Souvenir. A.N. Rao and I wanted to see it, so Bhagavan asked for the letter
to be shown to us. This is the incident. Pande went to great temple in Tiruvannamalai on the evening his departure. When he
entered the innermost shrine the Lingam of Arunachaleswara was pointed out to him, and the young man with him also a devotee
of Sri Bhagavan, cried out Arunachala, Arunachala! But Pande could not see any Lingam but only the face of Bhagavan, whichever\
side he turned -- everywhere the face of Sri Bhagavan!

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Re: Day by Day with Bhagavan:
« Reply #53 on: January 21, 2013, 10:53:20 AM »
15,04.1948:

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I said, 'Bhagavan Himself advises us to round the Hill, for instance. I know Sri Bhagavan is also not against going round the image
in a temple. There are people here who have faith that going round Bhagavan is as good as going round the temple image or
the Hill. How can we object to that?' Sri Bhagavan said, 'I don't say such things should not be done,. But the best going round is going
round yourself, or the bhava expressedd in the verse quoted. (Ribhu Gita, Ch. 3, Verse 39 of Tamizh version).

The other pradakshinams are not condemned. The Jnani, though he knows that meditation on the Self is the best worship, will
join in all other kinds of worship for the good of others and as an example to them. In fact, he may observe all the other ways
even more correctly and steadfastly than those who follow only those paths and know nothing of Jnana.  That is referred to in the
following verse of Ribhu Gita:

The gist in English is: If he Guru refers to dvaita  when teaching advaita to the disciple, it is not regarded as his real teaching any
more than one should regard as real the grief of one who weeps for someone else's father's death, because he is paid to do so,'

(In Tamizh it is called koolikku mAradithal.....)

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Re: Day by Day with Bhagavan:
« Reply #54 on: January 22, 2013, 12:50:57 PM »
18.04.1946:

(afternoon)

Mr. Nanavati of Bombay asked Bhagavan: 'In the fifth stanza of Arunachala Pancharatnam, reference is made to seeing - 'Your
form in everything.' What is the form referred to?' 

Sri Bhagavan said: "The stanza says that one should completely surrender one's mind, turn it inwards and see 'You' the Self within
and then see the Self in 'you' in everything. It is only after seeing the Self within that one will be able to see the Self in everything.
One  must realize that there is nothing but the Self  and he is the Self and  then only he can see everything as the form of the Self.
That is the meaning of saying, 'See the Self in everything and everything in the Self.', and it is stated in the Gita and other books.

It is the same truth that is taught in Verse 4 of Reality in Forty Verses.  If you have the idea that you are something with form,
that you are limited by this body, and that being within this body, you have to see through these eyes, God and the world also
will appear to you as form. If you realize you are without form, that you are unlimited, that you alone exist, that you are the eye,
the Infinite Eye what is there to be seen apart from the Infinite Eye? Apart from the eye, there is nothing to be seen. There must be a
seer for an object to be seen, and there must be space, time, etc.,  But if the Self alone exists, it is both seer and seen and above seeing or being seen..'

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Re: Day by Day with Bhagavan:
« Reply #55 on: January 23, 2013, 12:25:41 PM »
19.04.1946:

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Somasundaram Pillai of Cuddalore, returned after a visit to Tiruchuzhi, Madurai and other places. He was telling Sri Bhagavan that
the day he was at Madurai, it happened to be Punarvasu star day, and that devotees gathered in the Ramana Mandiram and had
bhajan etc., and there was milk and vadai for naivedyam which was afterwards distributed to all those who were present at the
function. Just as he was saying this, Santamma entered the Hall and with milk for naivedyam and distribution, because she had
just entered her new house. Sri Bhagavan said: You say milk was offered as naivedyam and distributed to you/ Here comes the
milk for the same purpose.

S. continued to tell Sri Bhagavan about his trip and Sri Bhagavan asked , 'Did you enquire in Tiruchuzhi, whether on Masi Makam star
day, which was only a few days before you went there, water rose in the temple tank as it used to do in my boyhood?  S. replied,
'No, I took it for granted that even now the water rises and so did not make any enquiry.'

Then, Sri Bhagavan said that the water of the temple tank is reputed to cure many skin diseases and added, 'That is certain. We have
seen as boys that when we bathed in the tank, our silver bangles all turned black, and we had to rub them well with mud before
going back to the house, lest our parents should blame us for bathing in the tank. The water contains sulphur.

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Re: Day by Day with Bhagavan:
« Reply #56 on: January 24, 2013, 10:50:06 AM »
24.04.1946:

Evening:

Throughout the day, the Sarvadhikari has been inviting all bhaktas to have a look at a clay model of Bhagavan, which the
Madras sculptor engaged to make Bhagavan's statue, has prepared here. After parayana, Mr. Narayana Swami Iyer, retired
drawing master, came to Bhagavan and expressed his opinion that the model was not satisfactory. Bhagavan only said:
'Don't ask me. How can one know one's own face? How can I judge this clay model?' Poor N. Iyer was disappointed. Bhagavan
added for after a while,  ' Each person has a different opinion. Rangaswami says that the nose is too big, and the sculptor actually
measures it and hows it is correct. But R. says the nose looks too big. What are we to do? Supposing someone produces the most
exact possible resemblance, I wonder whether even then if all those who look at the result will give the same unanimous verdict.'

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Re: Day by Day with Bhagavan:
« Reply #57 on: January 25, 2013, 12:30:21 PM »
26.04.1946:

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Meanwhile Mr. Somasundaram Pillai said that in R's letter it is stated that the Ramakrishna Mission, after coming to know of what
we have done about the Tiruchuzhi house, are taking steps to secure the house where Ramakrishna Paramahamsa was born,
and make it a place of pilgrimage and worship.

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Then we began talking about Vadavoor, which Sri Bhagavan said was only abut twenty miles from Madurai, and also of Perundurai.
There is much controversy among research scholars whether Perundurai in Tiruvachakam is the place called Avudayakoil where there is
a temple, and a tradition that Saint Manikkavachakakar built it or whether it is some place farther west. Sri Bhagavan said, 'All sorts
of theories are put forward, with ingenious and far fetched arguments both for and against.'

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Re: Day by Day with Bhagavan:
« Reply #58 on: January 26, 2013, 09:26:28 AM »
29.04.1946:

Afternoon:

Mr. Nanavati asked Sri Bhagavan, 'What is the "heart"  referred to in the Verse in Upadesa Saram, where it is said, 'Abiding
in the heart is the best karma, yoga, bhakti and jnana'?

Bhagavan: That which is the source of all, that in which all live, and that into which all finally merge, is the "heart" referred to.

Nanavati: How can we conceive of such a heart?

Bhagavan: Why should you conceive of anything? You have only to see where from the "I" springs.

Nanavati: Mere mouna in speech  is no good. But we must have mouna of the mind.

Bhagavan: Of course. If we have real mouna, that state in which the mind is merged into its source and has no more separate
existence, then all other kinds of mouna will come of their own accord, i.e. the mouna of words, of action, and of the mind or chitta.

Sri Bhagavan also quoted in this connection, the verse from Paraparak KaNNi of Saint Thayumanavar.

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Re: Day by Day with Bhagavan:
« Reply #59 on: January 27, 2013, 12:54:29 PM »
05.05.1946:

Mr. Kasturi Chetti brought news that Ganapati Sastri (not Ganapati Muni) had passed away that morning, and that hernia was the
cause. Talking about Ganapati Sastri, Sri Bhagavan said he was a great friend of Grant Duff, that he was a great lover of books, and
that he would promptly buy (not necessarily read) all good books that came out and keep them in his library.

Sri Bhagavan said, 'Some rare books, which would not be got elsewhere, were available with him.'

Mr. T.P.R. said that Sri Bhagavan was once waylaid and taken to Ganapati Sastri's house to see the library he had collected.
Sri Bhagavan said, 'It was he who got the Ramana Gita written in Nagari characters. Nayana wrote it down in Telugu characters.'

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