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Lao Tzu - TAO TE CHING
« on: November 21, 2012, 09:34:24 AM »
Profound... I find no difference between this and what all advaithic masters said:

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This is the first sentence of the book: The Tao that can be told of is not the Absolute Tao

THIS IS THE FIRST THING he has to say: that whatsoever can be said cannot be true. This is the introduction for the book. It simply makes you alert: now words will be following, don’t become a victim of the words. Remember the wordless. Remember that which cannot be communicated through language, through words. The Tao can be communicated, but it can only be communicated from being to being. It can be communicated when you are with the Master, just with the Master, doing nothing, not even practicing anything. Just being with the Master it can be communicated.

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Re: Lao Tzu Book - TAO TE CHING
« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2012, 09:49:54 AM »
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Can you cleanse your inner vision
until you see nothing but the light?
Can you love people and lead them
without imposing your will?
Can you deal with the most vital matters
by letting events take their course?
Can you step back from you own mind
and thus understand all things? Giving birth and nourishing,
having without possessing,
acting with no expectations,
leading and not trying to control:
this is the supreme virtue.
Salutations to Bhagawan

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« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2012, 10:17:30 AM »
Dear sanjaya_ganesh,

Zen and the World:

When Zen Master Gisan was given a title of honor by the emperor of Japan, in 1866, he responded with these poems:

HUMANITY AND LAW:

Self help and helping others:
this trance of mine
is dutiful at home, loyal in public,
never obscured in daily affairs.

THE BENEFIT OF BUDDHISM FOR NATIONS:

Do not kill and life will be sufficient;
do not steal, and goods will be plenty.
How excellent the moral teachings;
they enrich the nations and stabilize the families.

PROTECTING THE NATION:

Whatever is bad, do not do;
whatever is good, carry it out;
then above and below will harmonize
the good and the bad won't compete.

Arunachala Siva. 

 

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« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2012, 11:24:39 AM »
Empty your mind of all thoughts.
Let your heart be at peace.
Watch the turmoil of beings,
but contemplate their return. Each separate being in the universe
returns to the common source.
Returning to the source is serenity. If you don't realize the source,
you stumble in confusion and sorrow.
When you realize where you come from,
you naturally become tolerant,
disinterested, amused,
kindhearted as a grandmother,
dignified as a king.
Immersed in the wonder of the Tao,
you can deal with whatever life brings you,
and when death comes, you are ready.

-- Lao Tzu
Salutations to Bhagawan

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Re: Lao Tzu Book - TAO TE CHING
« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2012, 11:38:19 AM »
Sanjay

Thanks for opening the thread on Lao Tzu .I came to know of him and his work Tao te Ching only through Osho .
However many holy words you read, however many you speak, what good will they do you if you do not act on upon them? - Buddha

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« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2012, 02:06:13 PM »
If you overesteem great men,
people become powerless.
If you overvalue possessions,
people begin to steal. The Master leads
by emptying people's minds
and filling their cores,
by weakening their ambition
and toughening their resolve.
He helps people lose everything
they know, everything they desire,
and creates confusion
in those who think that they know. Practice not-doing,
and everything will fall into place.

-- Lao Tzu
Salutations to Bhagawan

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« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2012, 03:08:08 PM »
Dear sanjaya-ganesh,

First of all any book on Zen starts out at a disadvantage. Zen cannot be described in words, it is an experience of more
basic than the level of conceptual thinking. (It is something like advaita). It has to do more with our innermost life, what the
Zen Masters call:

'Our Original Face, before our parents were born"

which is gone as soon as we analyze it  Zen is not something we can learn, or even become, because we are already it, we can
only be it. (again compare advaita).

Second, this is supposed to be a light article. But Zen  is a heavy subject - personally, we think it may be the heaviest subject on
the planet - it is about ultimate reality, liberation from pain and confusion,, our greatest potential. (again cf: advaita).

People devote their whole lives to it and are glad if they make even a little progress towards the possibilities of Zen.

Then there are a few who get all the way to what is called Enlightenment, they realize themselves completely,which also means
they realize the unity and the basis of the whole universe.

Arunachala Siva.             

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« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2012, 03:21:59 PM »
Dear Sri Sanjay, Thank You Very much for this Beautiful,Beautiful thread! Zen is not just theaching,it is a Religion,Art and Way of Life! With love and prayers,

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« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2012, 03:36:26 PM »
The Tao is like a well:
used but never used up.
It is like the eternal void:
filled with infinite possibilities. It is hidden but always present.
I don't know who gave birth to it.
It is older than God.

-- Lao Tzu
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« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2012, 04:20:50 PM »

The Zen Master Dairyo was invited to a feast at the home of a wealthy landowner. Many other Buddhist monks were also present.

Some one in the household decided to play a joke on the monks. All of them were served with fish flesh, which Buddhist monks
and nuns were forbidden to eat.

All of the monks at the feast abstained from the fish flesh except Zen Master Dairyo, who ate it al, as if he didn't know what it was.

One of the monks surreptitiously pulled the Zen Master's sleeve and said, 'That is fish flesh!'

Dairyo looked the monk in the eye and retorted, 'So how do you know what fish flesh is?'

Arunachala Siva.       

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« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2012, 08:01:12 PM »
Do you want to improve the world?
I don't think it can be done. The world is sacred.
It can't be improved.
If you tamper with it, you'll ruin it.
If you treat it like an object, you'll lose it. There is a time for being ahead,
a time for being behind;
a time for being in motion,
a time for being at rest;
a time for being vigorous,
a time for being exhausted;
a time for being safe,
a time for being in danger. The Master sees things as they are,
without trying to control them.
She lets them go their own way,
and resides at the center of the circle.

-- Lao Tzu
Salutations to Bhagawan

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« Reply #11 on: November 22, 2012, 07:25:05 AM »
The great Tao flows everywhere.
All things are born from it,
yet it doesn't create them.
It pours itself into its work,
yet it makes no claim.
It nourishes infinite worlds,
yet it doesn't hold on to them.
Since it is merged with all things
and hidden in their hearts,
it can be called humble.
Since all things vanish into it
and it alone endures,
it can be called great.
It isn't aware of its greatness;
thus it is truly great.

-- Lao Tzu (Sutra 34)
Salutations to Bhagawan

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« Reply #12 on: November 22, 2012, 12:48:33 PM »
In pursuit of knowledge,
every day something is added.
In the practice of the Tao,
every day something is dropped.
Less and less do you need to force things,
until finally you arrive at non-action.
When nothing is done,
nothing is left undone. True mastery can be gained
by letting things go their own way.
It can't be gained by interfering.

-- Lao Tzu (Sutra 48)
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« Reply #13 on: November 22, 2012, 01:34:11 PM »
Dear sanjaya-ganesh,

Yes. Sri Bhagavan says in Ulladu Narpadu Verses 10 and 11:

There is no knowledge without ignorance; and without knowledge ignorance cannot be. To ask, 'Whose is this knowledge?
Whose is this ignorance? and thus to know the Primal Self, this alone is the Knowledge. (10)

Without knowing the Self that knows, to know all objects, is not knowledge, It is only ignorance; Self, the ground of knowledge
and and the non self, being known, both knowledge and ignorance fall away. (11)

Arunachala Siva.   
 

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« Reply #14 on: November 22, 2012, 01:36:11 PM »
yes, sir. Tao, Self, Consciousness, Brahman.... So many words for THE ONE

Sanjay
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