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« Reply #90 on: January 07, 2013, 12:49:14 PM »
Dear Tushinam,

Thanks for your comments.

Those who turn to God with yearning in their heart, God makes His nature clear from within, may be slowly, but surely -  without the need of any word.

As one word "God" has yielded two words "Pure Mind" further discussion only adds to the words, but does not necessarily lead one to the pitcher of Bliss within.
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« Reply #91 on: January 07, 2013, 01:24:27 PM »
Dear Tushinam,

Thanks for your comments.

If God has revealed Himself and we are still praying for God, it means that the revealed God has not satisfied us.

But the pitcher of Bliss once revealed will not require any more praying to obtain anything else but many more "praying" to eulogise it.
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« Reply #92 on: January 07, 2013, 02:04:35 PM »
Dear Tushinam,

Thanks for your comments.

The very fact that God is missed shows that Its power of attraction has not prevailed, which in turn shows that He has not revealed enough.

As long as the small magnet is covered with mud, it will miss the attraction of the bigger magnet. Purity of mind means clearing of the mud. Then the bigger magnet cannot be missed under any situation, like we cannot miss gravitation under any circumstance.
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« Reply #93 on: January 07, 2013, 02:28:05 PM »
Dear Tushinam,

Thanks for your comments.

The yearning is always felt deep within our heart. It smiles with little little bliss. So God is not totally unknown but partially revealed. We want the full bliss of God. We feel needle-ful of bliss. We want pitcher-ful of bliss.
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« Reply #94 on: January 07, 2013, 04:10:28 PM »
Dear Tushinam,

Thanks for your comments.

There is a "cave" in the heart which is the meeting point of dvaita and advaita. As long as a person is engrossed in worldly things, the world tempts him. When heart starts getting purified God "tempts" him. There is a "gate" in the cave, on one side of which is the infinite expanse of Consciousness and on the other side is the small ego consciousness. God can send information about Him from inside the cave but does not allow one to enter the cave. It is totally based on God's will to whom entry will be granted to the cave. Even Pure Mind and zero vasana cannot guarantee entry to the cave if God's will is not there. But when mind becomes Pure, God tempts sufficiently and gives indications of His Nature, by maybe temporary glimpses and ways which are not easily describable and subjective. God gives indications of the whole without revealing the whole.
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« Reply #95 on: January 07, 2013, 04:28:14 PM »
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There is a "cave" in the heart which is the meeting point of dvaita and advaita

So true, silentgreen. What you said aptly translates - "Hridaya Kuhara Madhye Kevalam Brahma Matram..."

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« Reply #96 on: January 07, 2013, 04:54:31 PM »
Sorry to jump in between your discussions. Chandogya Upanishad gives an easy answer to see whether what you experienced is full bliss or not

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yatra nAnyat pashyati nAnyat shRNoti nAnyad-vijAnAti sa bhUmA /
atha yatra anyat pashyati anyad-shRNoti anyad-vijAnAti tad-alpaM /
yo vai bhUmA tad-amRtaM / atha yad-alpaM tan-martyaM //

That after seeing which you dont have a desire to see anything more, that after hearing which you dont have a desire to hear anything more, that after knowing which you dont have a desire to know more - that is Bhuma (which is the word sanat kumara uses to represent Brahman. Second line clarifies that anything else is Alpa (finite).

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« Reply #97 on: January 07, 2013, 05:13:02 PM »
Dear Tushinam,

Thanks for your comments.

Our nature is a combination of advaita and dvaita. Advaita gives the intuitive knowledge of the whole, dvaita prevents from merging with the whole, else creation cannot continue.

To know that one is spiritually bound requires great spiritual maturity. Else bondage is simply a word. A cow is tied with 9 feet rope. The cow can spend its entire life relaxing within that 9 feet and it won't find any bondage. Only when the mind becomes pure will it hit the peg. It will feel the temptings of the open field which is the tempting of God. Without true yearning in the heart, one can neither know true freedom, neither know true bondage.
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« Reply #98 on: January 07, 2013, 05:26:28 PM »
Dear Uday Garu

It is (Ch.U.VII – 24 – 1)

Yes - interpretations may be so many. But my point is if you still have desires for something more even after "realization" - you have not realized. It is as simple as that.

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« Reply #99 on: January 07, 2013, 05:27:07 PM »
So I still have not got my answer...

Therein lies all mysteries ;)

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« Reply #100 on: January 07, 2013, 05:50:37 PM »
Udai garu - yes. Absolutely spot on. "Desire for liberation" - Liberation from what? LIberation from my current state / feeling of being not liberated / sorrows.

I agree

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« Reply #101 on: January 07, 2013, 06:06:31 PM »
Dear Sri Udai, How do You mean that behind every desire is desire for liberation. I dont think so. I think that is desire for continuing own existence. That is primal desire. Ego doasnt want its death,but existence and continuity. Finaly it wants liberation,but again,it is the ego who want it.

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« Reply #102 on: January 07, 2013, 07:10:52 PM »
Dear Tushinam,

Thanks for your comments.

There is a distinction between desire and longing. Desire is initiated by the small magnet. Longing is the attraction of the big magnet felt when the impurities of the small magnet has reduced.

This pull of the bigger magnet also explains why whole is intuitively felt when only part is revealed. It is difficult to put this in words.

Sri Ramakrishna said that this longing is also a grace of God.
Those who feel it cannot adequately convey it to others.

Yes, we are Sat-Chid-Ananda already. But we are not enlightened already. Unless God reveals His intimate nature within the cave of the Heart, he is not enlightened. And to know there is a cave of the heart itself requires great spiritual maturity. And without God's will no one can enter the cave of the heart.
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« Reply #103 on: January 07, 2013, 07:33:09 PM »
There is a distinction between desire and longing. Desire is initiated by the small magnet. Longing is the attraction of the big magnet felt when the impurities of the small magnet has reduced.

This pull of the bigger magnet also explains why whole is intuitively felt when only part is revealed. It is difficult to put this in words.

Sri Ramakrishna said that this longing is also a grace of God.
Those who feel it cannot adequately convey it to others.

This is the longing of Hanuman, pulled by the bigger magnet, that is Rama. Sometimes, we don't even want enlightenment, but this longing is ambrosia, it is everything. It is indeed wonderful to be like a hanuman rather Rama, and Rama rather Hanuman, Rama was devoted to Hanuman was devoted to Rama. thank you.

Yes, we are Sat-Chid-Ananda already. But we are not enlightened already.

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Verse 3 of Karunakara KadavuL


எல்லாமுன் அடிமையே எல்லாமுன் உடைமையே
       எல்லாமுன் னுடையசெயலே
    எங்கணும் வியாபிநீ என்றுசொலு மியல்பென்
       றிருக்காதி வேதமெல்லாஞ்
சொல்லான் முழக்கியது மிக்கவுப காரமாச்
       சொல்லிறந் தவரும்விண்டு
    சொன்னவையு மிவைநல்ல குருவான பேருந்
       தொகுத்தநெறி தானுமிவையே
அல்லாம லில்லையென நன்றா அறிந்தேன்
       அறிந்தபடி நின்றுசுகநான்
    ஆகாத வண்ணமே இவ்வண்ண மாயினேன்
       அதுவுநின தருளென்ன
வே
கல்லாத அறிஞனுக் குள்ளே யுணர்த்தினை
       கதிக்குவகை யேதுபுகலாய்

    கருதரிய சிற்சபையி லானந்த நிர்த்தமிடு
       கருணா கரக்கடவுளே

            All are but Thine liege vassals,
All are but Thine possessions,
All are but Thine actions,
All are but pervaded by Thee -
Thus may Thou be described,
So proclaim the Rig and rest of Vedas.
This is what the goodly Gurus have taught.
There is none other than this,
That have I full realized.
Having realized it,
I have not reached the state of Bliss,
But thus I stand,
That too is Thy Grace -
So Thou intimated within this ignorant one.
But now tell me what is the way of redemption?
Thou, the God of Compassion Fullness
That dances in rapture in the chit sabha
Defying description!

॥ शांतमात्मनि तिष्ट ॥
Remain quietly in the Self.
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« Reply #104 on: January 07, 2013, 08:01:38 PM »
Dear Tushinam,

Thanks for your comments.

There is a distinction between desire and longing. Desire is initiated by the small magnet. Longing is the attraction of the big magnet felt when the impurities of the small magnet has reduced.

This pull of the bigger magnet also explains why whole is intuitively felt when only part is revealed. It is difficult to put this in words.

Sri Ramakrishna said that this longing is also a grace of God.
Those who feel it cannot adequately convey it to others.

Yes, we are Sat-Chid-Ananda already. But we are not enlightened already. Unless God reveals His intimate nature within the cave of the Heart, he is not enlightened. And to know there is a cave of the heart itself requires great spiritual maturity. And without God's will no one can enter the cave of the heart.

Very true, Sri silentgreen.
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