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[Ravi.N]

silentgreen/Friends,
cguru's questions and conclusion would have inspired Dale Carnegie to write a Book-'How to stop reasoning(worrying) and start Living'
Namaskar.

[Ravi.N]

Udai/Friends,

"'How to stop reasoning and start Living"

Just post a Blooming Lotus Flower,if you find one.That is more like it


Namaskar

[silentgreen]

d: Is bhakti and jnana same?

cguru: No, opposite.

d: Everyone says same and you are saying opposite?

cguru: Because:
bhakt(a) -- pursues --> bhakt(i) whereas
jnan(i) -- pursues --> jnan(a)

In one case (a) pursues (i),  and in the other case (i) pursues (a). Looking at this clear opposite, how can I say it is same?

d: Then where do the opposites meet?

cguru: When:
bhakt(a) -- expresses --> jnan(a) and
jnan(i) -- contains --> bhakt(i)

then (a) meets (a) and (i) meets (i).

[atmavichar100]

d: Is bhakti and jnana same?

cguru: No, opposite.

d: Everyone says same and you are saying opposite?

cguru: Because:
bhakt(a) -- pursues --> bhakt(i) whereas
jnan(i) -- pursues --> jnan(a)

In one case (a) pursues (i),  and in the other case (i) pursues (a). Looking at this clear opposite, how can I say it is same?

d: Then where do the opposites meet?

cguru: When:
bhakt(a) -- expresses --> jnan(a) and
jnan(i) -- contains --> bhakt(i)

then (a) meets (a) and (i) meets (i).

Wonderful .

[Nagaraj]

Really Nice..

The following came to my mind -

Bhakti is mirror for Jnana and Jnana is Mirror for Bhakti

When Bhakti sees the mirror Jnana is seen, When Jnana sees the mirror Bhakti is seen

ॐ

[atmavichar100]

cguru ji, what is bhakti, what is jnana ? plz enlighten me on this sir. This friend, Nagaraj is asking complex questions on this ... so if you can tell me , ill tell him and save myself

I do not know what CGURU's  explanation of the same but Sharing Swami Paramarthananda's definition of Bhakti Yoga as a simple equation 

Karma Yoga + Jnāna Yoga = Bhakthi Yoga.

[Ravi.N]

Atmavichar/Friends,

Sri Bhagavan gives this equation:

"i'-'i"=karma=Bhakti=Yoga=Jnana (upadesa undhiyar verse 10)

[atmavichar100]

Atmavichar/Friends,

Sri Bhagavan gives this equation:

"i'-'i"=karma=Bhakti=Yoga=Jnana (upadesa undhiyar verse 10)

Sure Ravi

Bhagawan hits the bulls eye directly .

[Ravi.N]

Atmavichar/friends,

Sri Bhagavan himself is the Bulls Eye.

I recall our CGURU's bull's eye as well!

Sri bhagavan admits that bull's eye as well.Truly he is incomparable.

Namaskar.

[silentgreen]

Jnana at play is Bhakti. Both are Rama. When He says Krishna, Krishna, Krishna and merges with Krishna, He becomes Rama-Krishna. When He says Na, Na, Na (negation) and merges with Shiva He becomes Rama-Na.

[Subramanian.R]

Dear silentgreen,

Wonderful. Ramana is the conqueror of marana (death).

Arunachala Siva.

[silentgreen]

d: What is the purpose of Maya?

cguru: To delude.

d: That I also know. I find life filled with superficial things one after another. The real thing is never revealed but delusion is ever there. There must be something deeper than this. So I ask: What is the purpose of Maya?

cguru: To elude.

d: Yes, the real thing does not come to our grasp but gets eluded behind commitments to superficial things. So I ask: What is the purpose of Maya?

cguru: To prelude.

d: Yes, there must be a deeper prelude behind all these, but unfortunately it is very slippery. Life is more or less joyless but hope is still there. So I ask: What is the purpose of Maya?

cguru: Yama.

d: Yama. Maya's reverse? But why reverse? It is a more suitable word than Maya. Everyday I get up feeling Yama in my heart. If not everyday, at regular intervals I feel the presence of Yama behind small and big things in life. God has eluded me but Yama is faithfully revealing his presence to me. I am even thinking of switching my allegiance to Yama. But I also want some mitigation. So I ask: What is the purpose of Maya?

cguru: Yaamaa.

d: Yama got stretched. I totally agree to this extended Yama. Add hundred more a's and stretch Yama. My namaskarams to the virat Yama. But presently I want some support. So I ask: What is the purpose of Maya?

cguru: Yaa-Maa.

d: Yama got split. I am seeing Maa on the other end and Yaa, I am getting some hope. So I keep up with my question: What is the purpose of Maya?

... to be cont

[silentgreen]

... continued

cguru: Maya is that which shows the presence of Yama at regular intervals in life.

It makes us cry in fear ... Yaaaaa ...
It makes us cry in pain - Yaaaaa ...
It makes us cry in helplessness - Yaaaaa ...

till the cry reaches high and Yama stretches into Yaamaa and then splits into Yaa-Maa.

We then cry in wonder - Yaaaaa ....

And behind that is revealed Maa.

The Maa, Who is the prelude of everything, who eludes Herself by deluding.

d: (putting both his hands on his chest) Oops.

cguru: We have been chanting the hymn of God. Now let us chant the hymn of Maya.

maya yama maa om namah
maya yama maa om namah
maya yama maa om namah

d: maya yama maa om namah
maya yama maa om namah
maya yama maa om namah

[silentgreen]

One day the disciple was in a different mood.

d: Today let us argue.

cguru: ok

d: God is not there.

cguru: God is there.

d: How do you know?

cguru: Same way as you know.

d: I said God is not there, so I do not need to know anything.

cguru: I said God is there, so I do not need to know anything.

d: How is it?

cguru: Not requiring to know because God is not there is ignorance; not requiring to know because God is there is surrender.

[silentgreen]

Dear Tushinam,

Thanks for your comments. God is revealed in the Pure mind.

This is wonderfully illustrated by Sri Sarada Devi. Narrating her pure joy of these days (refer to biography for details) she later said: "From that time onwards, I always felt as if a pitcher of bliss was kept in my heart. I can't convey any idea of how much and in what manner my mind feasted on that steady, unchanging divine joy. I never knew what it meant to be mentally disturbed, my child."

As the mind gets purified we can also feel, if not pitcher but spoonfulls of divine joy smiling within the heart.