Author Topic: Bhagavan Ramana Teachings  (Read 202376 times)

Subramanian.R

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 43902
    • View Profile
Re: Bhagavan Ramana Teachings
« Reply #570 on: October 22, 2013, 04:54:40 PM »
Bhagavan Ramana said:


You wanted to see my form. You saw my disappearance. I am formless.
So that experience might be the real truth The further visions may be according to your own conceptions
derived from the study of the Bhagavad Gita.
But Ganapathi Munii had a similar experience and you may consult him.


Arunachala Siva.

Subramanian.R

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 43902
    • View Profile
Re: Bhagavan Ramana Teachings
« Reply #571 on: October 23, 2013, 11:24:15 AM »
A devotee of Sri Bhagavan has said:


Everything is not forgetting one’s Self and all misery is due to the forgetting of this Self.
I have come to the conclusion that when I forget my Self I go down and I am a beast.
But when I am clear, ‘I am,’ there is no more anything bad.

Arunachala Siva.

Subramanian.R

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 43902
    • View Profile
Re: Bhagavan Ramana Teachings
« Reply #572 on: October 24, 2013, 04:39:34 PM »
Sri Bhagavan said:

Let any amount of burden be laid on Him, He will bear it all.
It is, in fact, the indefinable power of the Lord that ordains, sustains and controls everything that happens.
Why then, should we worry, tormented by vexatious thoughts,
saying: ‘Shall we act this way? No, that way,’ instead of meekly but happily submitting to that Power?

Arunachala Siva.

Subramanian.R

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 43902
    • View Profile
Re: Bhagavan Ramana Teachings
« Reply #573 on: October 25, 2013, 11:12:28 AM »

Natesa Mudaliar and Sri Bhagavan:


Natesa Mudaliar asked Maharshi: ‘I wish to learn and experience what your anugraham(Grace) is, as people differ in their accounts of it.’ Maharshi replied: ‘I am always giving my anugraham(Grace). If you cannot apprehend it, what am I to do?’


Arunachala Siva.

Subramanian.R

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 43902
    • View Profile
Re: Bhagavan Ramana Teachings
« Reply #574 on: October 31, 2013, 01:25:33 PM »
Sri Bhagavan has said:


You have to ask yourself the question, ‘Who am I?'
This investigation will lead in the end to the discovery of something within you which is behind the mind.
Solve that great problem and you will solve all other problems thereby.

Arunachala Siva.

Subramanian.R

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 43902
    • View Profile
Re: Bhagavan Ramana Teachings
« Reply #575 on: November 05, 2013, 12:51:34 PM »
Sri Bhagavan has said:


Not to desire anything extraneous to oneself constitutes vairagya (dispassion) or nirasa (desirelessness).

Not to give up one’s hold on the Self constitutes jnana (knowledge).

But really vairagya and jnana are one and the same



Arunachala Siva.

Subramanian.R

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 43902
    • View Profile
Re: Bhagavan Ramana Teachings
« Reply #576 on: November 09, 2013, 04:34:38 PM »
Sri Bhagavan said:


Every man is divine and strong in his real nature.
What are weak and evil are his habits, his desires and thoughts, but not himself.


Arunachala Siva.

Subramanian.R

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 43902
    • View Profile
Re: Bhagavan Ramana Teachings
« Reply #577 on: November 15, 2013, 10:38:03 AM »
1. What is the method of practice?

As the Self of a person who tries to attain Self Realization is not different from him and as there is nothing other than or superior
to him to be attained by him, Self Realization being only the realization of one's own real nature, the seeker of Liberation realizes,
without doubts or misconceptions, his real nature by distinguishing the eternal from the transient, and never swerves from his
natural state.  This is known as the practice of knowledge.  This is the inquiry leading to Self Realization.

Sri Bhagavan in Spiritual Instruction, Chapter II.

Arunachala Siva.           

Subramanian.R

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 43902
    • View Profile
Re: Bhagavan Ramana Teachings
« Reply #578 on: November 17, 2013, 11:00:28 AM »
Sri Bhagavan said:


All scriptures without any exception proclaim that for attaining Salvation, the mind should be subdued;
and once one knows that control of the mind is their final aim, it is futile to make an interminable study of them.


Arunachala Siva.

Balaji

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1098
    • View Profile
Re: Bhagavan Ramana Teachings
« Reply #579 on: November 19, 2013, 10:40:09 AM »
Devotee : Are there any aids to : (1) 'concentration' and (2) casting off distractions ?

Sri Bhagavan : Physically, the digestive and other organs are kept free from irritation. Therefore, food is reguloted, both in quantity and quality. Non-irritatants are eaten, avoiding chillies, excess of salt, onions, wine, opium, etc. Avoid constipation, drowsiness and excitement, and all foods which induce them. Mentally, take interest in one thing and fix the mind on it. Let such interest be all-absorbing to the exclusion of everything else. This is dispassion ('vairagya' ) and concentration. God or mantra may be chosen. The mind gains strength to grasp the subtle and merge into it.

D.: Distrations result from inherited tendencies. Can they be cast off too ?

Sri Bhagavan : Yes. Many have done so. Believe it ! They did so because they believed they could. Vasanas (predispositions) can be obliterated. It is done by concentration on that which is free from vasanas and yet is their core.

D.: How long is the practice to continue ?

Sri Bhagavan : Till success is achieved and until Yoga-liberation becomes permanent. Success begets success. If one distraction is conquered, the next is conquered and so on, until all are finally conquered. The process is like reducing an enemy's fort by slaying its man-power -- one by one, as each issues out.

D.: What is the goal of this process ?

Sri Bhagavan : Realising the Real.

D.: What is the nature of the Reality ?
Sri Bhagavan : (a) Existence without beginning or end -- eternal.
(b) Existence everywhere, endless, infinite.
(c) Existence underlying all forms, all changes, all forces, all matter and all spirit. The 'many' change and pass away (penomenona),whereas the 'ONE' always endures (noumenon).
(d) The One displacing the triads, i.e.,the knower, the knowledge and the known. The triads are only appearances in time and space, whereas the Reality lies beyond and behind them. They are like a mirage over the Reality. They are the result of delusion.

D.: If 'I' also be an illusion, who then casts off the illusion ?

Sri Bhagavan : The "I" casts off the illusion of 'I' and yet remains as "I". Such is the paradox of Self-Realisation. The realised do not see any contradiction in it. Take the case of bhakti. I approach Ishvara and pray to be absorbed in Him. I then surrender myself in faith and by concentration. What remains afterwards ? In place of the original 'I', perfect self-surrender leaves a residuum of God, in which the 'I' is lost. This is the highest form of devotion ( Parabhakti ), prapatti, surrender or the height of vairagya.

You give up this and that of 'my' possessions. If you give up 'I' and 'Mine' instead, all are given up at a stroke. The very seed of possession is lost. Thus, the evil is ripped in the bud or crashed in the germ itself. Dispassion ( vairagya ) must be very strong to do this. Eagerness to do it, must be equal to that of a man kept under water trying to rise up to the surface for his life.

D.: Cannot this trouble and difficulty be lessened with the aid of a Master or an Ishta Devata (God chosen for worship) ? Cannot they give the power to see our SELF as it is -- to change us into themselves -- to take us into Self-Realisation ?

Sri Bhagavan : Ishta Devata and Guru are aids -- very powerful aids, on this path. But, an aid to be effective, requires your effort also. Your effort is a sine qua non. It is 'you' who should see the Sun. Can your spectacles and the Sun see for you ? You yourself have to see your true nature. Not much aid is required for doing it !

- from TALKS WITH SRI RAMANA MAHARSHI, pp.28--30
Om Namo Bagavathe Sri Ramanaya

Subramanian.R

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 43902
    • View Profile
Re: Bhagavan Ramana Teachings
« Reply #580 on: November 23, 2013, 01:33:02 PM »
From Upadesa Manjari:

11. Q : If this is the nature of liberation (moksha) why do some scriptures connect it with the body and say that the individual
soul can attain liberation only when it does not leave the body?

A: It is only if bondage is real that liberation and the nature of its experiences have to be considered.  So far as the Self
(Purusha) is concerned it has really no bondage in any of the four states.  As bondage is merely a verbal assumption according
to the emphatic proclamation of the Vedanta system, how can the question of liberation, which depends upon the question
of bondage, arise when there is no bondage?  Without knowing this truth, to inquire into the nature of bondage and liberation,
is like inquiring into the non existent height, color etc., of a barren woman's son or the horns of a hare.

Arunachala Siva.

Subramanian.R

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 43902
    • View Profile
Re: Bhagavan Ramana Teachings
« Reply #581 on: November 24, 2013, 09:33:58 AM »
From Upadesa Manjari:

Q 12:  If that is so, do not the description of bondage and release found in the scriptures become irrelevant and untrue?

A:       No. They do not.  On the contrary, the delusion of bondage fabricated by ignorance from time immemorial can be
removed only by Knowledge, and for this purpose, the term 'liberation' (mukti) has been usually accepted.  That is all.
The fact that the characteristics of liberation are described in different ways proves that they are imaginary.

Q 13:  If that is so, are not all efforts such as study (sravanam), reflection (mananam) etc., are useless?

A:       No, they are not.  The firm conviction that there is neither bondage nor liberation is the supreme purpose of all
efforts.  As this purpose of seeing boldly, through direct experience, that bondage and liberation do not exist, cannot
be achieved except with the aid of the aforesaid practices, these efforts are useful.


****

Arunachala Siva.     
 

Subramanian.R

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 43902
    • View Profile
Re: Bhagavan Ramana Teachings
« Reply #582 on: November 25, 2013, 12:46:25 PM »
Sri Bhagavan' Teachings in 'Who am I?'  bringing out the essence of surrender:




Knowing that the train carries all the weight, why indeed should we, the passengers trave­lling in it,
carry our small individual articles of luggage on our laps to our great discomfort, instead of putting them aside
and sitting at perfect ease?

Arunachala Siva.

Subramanian.R

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 43902
    • View Profile
Re: Bhagavan Ramana Teachings
« Reply #583 on: November 25, 2013, 04:16:44 PM »
Upadesa Manjari:

Q 14: Is there any authority for saying that there is neither bondage nor liberation?

A:      This is decided on the strength of experience and not merely on the strength of scriptures.

Q 15: If it is experienced, how is it experienced?

A:     'Bondage' and 'liberation' are mere linguistic terms.  They have no reality of their own.  Therefore they cannot
         function of their own accord.  It is necessary to accept the existence of some basic thing of which they are the
         modifications. If one inquires, 'for whom is there bondage and liberation?' it will be seen, 'they are for me.' If one
         inquires, 'Who am I?' one will see that there is no such thing as the 'I'.  It will then be clear as an amalaka fruit
         on one's hand that what remains is one's Real Being.  As this truth will be naturally and clearly experienced by those
         who leave aside mere verbal discussions and inquire into themselves inwardly, there is no doubt that all realized persons
         uniformly see neither bondage nor liberation so far as the true Self is concerned.

Q 16:If truly there is neither bondage nor liberation, what is the reason for the actual experience of joys and sorrows?

A:      They appear to be real only when one turns aside from one's real nature.  They do not really exist.

Q 17:Is it possible for everyone to know directly without doubt what exactly is one's true nature?

A:      Undoubtedly it is possible.

contd.,

Arunachala Siva.       

Subramanian.R

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 43902
    • View Profile
Re: Bhagavan Ramana Teachings
« Reply #584 on: November 26, 2013, 09:45:50 AM »
Upadesa Manajari:

18.  How?

It is the experience of everyone that even in the states of deep sleep, fainting, etc., when the entire universe moving
and stationary, beginning with earth and ending with the unmanifested (prakriti), disappear, he does not disappear.
Therefore, the state of pure being which is common to all and which is always experienced directly by everybody in one's
true nature.  The conclusion is that all experiences in the enlightened as well as the ignorant state, which may be described
by newer and newer words, are opposed to one's real nature.

Arunachala Siva.