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Re: Bhagavan Ramana Teachings
« Reply #1650 on: August 14, 2016, 12:30:33 AM »
atmavichar , yes ..... we look ahead and see choices , we look behind and see there were none
huhuhuhuh
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simply stop telling the story of the self and see who you are without it

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Re: Bhagavan Ramana Teachings
« Reply #1651 on: August 15, 2016, 09:36:13 AM »
CONSCIOUS IMMORTALITY

ONE CENTER, NO LOCALITY


Q: Is contact between spiritual leaders of the East and West possible. Is India the spiritual world center?

M: Spirit is unlimited and formless, and so is the spiritual center. There is only one such center.

Whether in the West or the East, the center cannot be different. It has no locality. Being unlimited, it includes leaders, world, forces of destruction and construction.

You speak of contact because you are thinking of embodied beings as leaders. Spiritual people are not bodies; they are not aware of their bodies. They are spirit: limitless and formless. There is always unity among them. These questions cannot arise if the Self is realized.

Q: Why don't Mahatmas help?

M: How do you know they do not help? Public speeches, physical activity and material help are all outweighed by the silence of the Mahatmas. This accomplishes more than anything else.

p. 146.
However many holy words you read, however many you speak, what good will they do you if you do not act on upon them? - Buddha

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Re: Bhagavan Ramana Teachings
« Reply #1652 on: August 15, 2016, 09:51:33 PM »
For those first-grade sadhus who aspire only to reach the Feet of Lord Siva [God], it is better to live as an object to be pitied in the eyes of the worldly people rather than to be envied.

('Guru Vachaka Korai', v. 665.)
However many holy words you read, however many you speak, what good will they do you if you do not act on upon them? - Buddha

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Re: Bhagavan Ramana Teachings
« Reply #1653 on: August 16, 2016, 07:22:47 AM »

gurunam sadasadva'pi yaduktam tannalanghayet
kurvannjnam diva-ratrau dasavannisad-gurau

                                                      - Verse 141

One should never ignore the orders of the Guru be it just
or [appear] unjust.  Carrying out his behests, one should
live, day and night like a servant, with the Guru.

{Vaikunta Vasan was the attendant for Bhagavan Ramana
in the late 1940s.  He used to sleep inside the Hall even at
nights.  Whenever Bhagavan woke up for nature's call at night,
he used to wake up and follow him.  Sometimes, Bhagavan
Himself went without disturbing Vaikunta Vasan.  Bhagavan
used to hold the torch light towards His belly, so that the light
would not disturb and wake up Vaikunta Vasan!  Once Vaikunta
Vasan went with Him and in the Hill, he was standing a little away
from where Bhagavan Ramana went for nature's call.  Suddenly,
Vaikunta Vasan heard the sounds of wooden sandals!  He became
afraid.  'Who is coming here?  Who is wearing sandals and coming
on the Hill?'  A few minutes later, Bhagavan came and asked him:
"Oh, you have also heard it.  The Siddhas were walking!"
"They also serve who stand and wait!"]

padukasana-sayyadi guruna yadabhisthitam
namaskurvita tat-sarvam padabhyam naspriset-kvachit

                                                                       -  Verse 143

Shoes, sandals, seats, beds, etc., used by the Guru should never
be touched by one's feet.  On the other hand, he should prostrate
to these articles also being sacred.

[The question of shoes or sandals never occurred in Bhagavan
Ramana's case, since He never wore them in His life time! 
Bhagavan never used give His koupinam or the towel to attendants.  for washing.  In the later years, perhaps they were washed by the attendants.  The bed linens were changed by the attendants when He was away to the Hill, once in a while.  Once devotees used to eat on the plate leaf, left by Bhagavan, along with left overs.  This was called Ucchishtam.  Bhagavan on knowing this, took away the leaf Himself and continued the practice thereafter.  Similarly He also came out to the outer-yard to wash His hands, since the water used by Him was taken as medicine by devotees!   No doubt, such practices were there in the ancient days.  Bhagavan Ramana put a stop to all these.  Muruganar has composed a verse, on this Ucchishtam business, called Ucchishta Vaibhavam.  The meaning goes somewhat like this:

"Oh, this Brahma who is a brahmin, knowledgeable in four Vedas,
does not know even how to confer a birth to me!  Why did he not
give me a dog's birth, so that I could eat Bhagavan's left-
overs.  What is the use of this brahmin's birth which cannot even
touch Bhagavan's left overs?  ]

Arunachala Siva.

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« Reply #1654 on: August 18, 2016, 04:41:44 AM »


A Saint,  if he is truly a Brahmajnani does not commit any
sin.  And he is above sin and merits.  In stories, we see
only a sinner becoming a saint, as in the cases of Valmiki
and Arunagiri Natha.  A saint becoming a sinner is almost
nil.  There may be a couple of cases, like Sage Viswamitra
who got enamoured with Menaka, and started a life of
conjugal bliss.  Even here, it is not a sin but an error, and it
caused only a reversal of the merits of his penance.  He had
to start the penance all over again when he realized his error.

Bhagavan Ramana has said:  If someone causes misery for
a Jnani, he takes over the sins/errors if any of the Jnani
and Jnani becomes a clean slate.  If on the other hand if a
devotee causes happiness for a Jnani, like giving food,
medicines etc., then such a devotee takes over the merits
of a Jnani.  Because a Jnani does not need any merits for him.

Arunachala Siva.   

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« Reply #1655 on: August 18, 2016, 04:45:22 AM »


Talk No. 28, describes the aids to concentration and removal
of distractions between a devotee and Bhagavan Ramana.
The devotee then asked:

Q:  If 'I' also be an illusion, who then casts off the illusion?

Bhagavan:  The 'I' casts off the illusion of 'I' and yet remains
as 'I'.  Such is the paradox of Self-Realization!  The realized
do not see any contradiction in it.  Take the case of bhakti --
I approach and pray to the be absorbed in Him.  I then surrender
myself in faith, and by concentration.  What remains afterwards?
In place of the original 'I', perfect self-surrender
leaves a residuum of God in which the 'I' is lost.  This is the
highest form of devotion, Parabhakti, Prapatti, surrender or
the height of Vairagya.  You give up this and that of 'my'
possessions.  If you give up the 'I' and 'Mine' instead, all
are given up at a stroke.  The very seed of possession is
lost.  Thus the evil is nipped in the bud or crushed in the
germ itself.  Dispassion, Vairagya must be very strong to do
this.  The eagerness must be equal to that of a man kept under
water trying to rise up to the surface for his life.
...........
...........

Devotee:  It is said that Divine Grace is necessary to attain
successful un-distracted mind.  Is that so?

Bhagavan:  We are God [Iswara].  Iswara Drishti, i.e, Seeing
ourselves, is itself Divine Grace.  So we need Divine Grace
to get God's Grace!

Bhagavan Ramana smiles and all devotees laugh together!

Devotee:  There is also Divine Favour [Iswara anugraham],
as distinct from Divine Grace, Iswara Prasadam.  Is that so?

Bhagavan:  The thought of God is Divine Favour!  He is
by nature Grace, Prasadam or AruL.  It is by God's Grace
that you think of God.*

[**Saint Manikkavachagar sings in Tiruvachakam, Siva Puranam,
Avan AruLale avan thaL vanangi.  I am praying to His feet only because of His grace.]

Devotee:  Is not the Master's Grace the result of God's Grace?

Bhagavan:  Why distinguish between the two?  The Master
is the same as God and not different from him.

Arunachala Siva. 

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Re: Bhagavan Ramana Teachings
« Reply #1656 on: August 21, 2016, 07:57:03 AM »


Devaraja Mudaliar writes in his entry of 2nd Feb 1946
of Day by Day:

One Ananda Swami from Mount Abu, put the following
questions and received the answers:

Q:  The books say that the Purusha is angushta pramana.
What is meant by this?

Bhagavan: Evidently the books must be referring to the
upadhi in which the Purusha is manifesting.  They cannot
mean that the all pervasive Purusha is angushta pramana.

Q:  Is that Purusha in the heart?

Bhagavan:  You mean the physical heart.  It cannot be.
But the books describe a heart which is an inverted lotus
with a cavity inside and a flame in that cavity and all that.
In such a psychic heart [Heart], the Purusha may be said
to abide and the flame may be of that angushta pramana,
the size of a little finger.

[Bhagavan describes this Heart in Sad Darsanam, Supplement.
But He has described it to the devotees only on a few occasions
like this one.]

(Source: As indicated above)

Arunachala Siva.

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Re: Bhagavan Ramana Teachings
« Reply #1657 on: August 22, 2016, 07:44:53 AM »



On 25th January 1946, an Andhra youth arrived and told
Bhagavan about the vagaries of his senses to which Bhagavan
said: "All that is due to the mind.  Set it right."  "That is alright,
Swami.  But however much I try to reduce this anger, it comes
on again and again.  What shall I do?" further asked the poor
boy.

"Oh! Is that so, then get angry with that anger, it will be all
right," said Bhagavan.  Everyone in the Hall burst out laughing.
A person, who gets angry with everything in the world, if only
he introspects and enquires why he does not get angry with his anger
itself, will be not really overcome all anger?"

That devotee, unable to understand anything, said: "That
is very good!  Should I abuse myself?"

"Yes indeed!  What they are abusing is your body, isn't it?
What greater enemy is there than this body, which is the
abode of anger and similar feelings?  It is necesay that we
ourselves should hate it.  Instead of that, when we are un-
guarded, if anybody abuses, we should know that they are
abusing the body, and crying it down.  What is the use of
counter-abuse?  Those who abuse us that way should be looked
upon as our friends.  It is good for us to be among such people.
If you are among people who praise you, you get deceived,"
said Bhagavan Ramana.

(Source: Letters from Sri Ramanasramam, Suri Nagamma,
dated 25th Jan 1946.)

Arunachala Siva.   

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Re: Bhagavan Ramana Teachings
« Reply #1658 on: August 24, 2016, 07:40:39 AM »



Fear is due to the mind.  For the one who has controlled
the mind, there is no fear.  If one like Bhagavan Ramana
could kill the mind, he becomes the boldest human being
in the world.  As Nagaraj said, we are the Third Eye of Siva,
from where Skanda came out to kill the demons with whom
even Brahma, Vishnu and Indra feared.  June 20th is the
40th anniversary of man's landing on the moon.  On that
day Neil Armstrong and Col. Collins landed on the moon.
Edward Aldrin was in the mothercraft, still circling the moon
for his friends to join him after the mission.  Normal Mailer
has written a non-fiction called Fire on the Moon, about the
psychology of astronauts.  He interviewed them in detail
before the mission.  The one question that was the most
important was:  How will you manage the worst situations?
The worst situation could me many.  The failure of the craft,
loss of oxygen, sudden death due to some unknown problems,
re-entry problem, [in which Kalpana Chawla and others died].
All problems revolve around death.  Death is the most primordial fear.
Neil Armstrong, [who later became a Jesuit Father!]
said:  Problem of liquidation?  Why we should fear that?  We are always
with God.  It is God who runs the show!"

Saint Tiruvukkarasar sang:  What is there to fear about?
What things will erupt which can give fear to us?  We have
got the Panchaksharam. 

Panchaksharam is called Anju-Ezhutthu in Tamil.  Five letters. 
Anju also means 'to fear'.  The saint-poet has made pun on
this word!

Arunachala Siva.

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« Reply #1659 on: August 26, 2016, 11:32:18 AM »
When people from different branches of philosophy asked Kunju Swami questions, he found he had no answers. Many people from Tamil Nadu, especially those who followed the path of Saiva Siddhanta plied him with questions. There was a mutt where they held classes on Saiva Siddhanta, so he decided to go there and learn it. He went to Bhagavan and informed him, ?Bhagavan, I am going to this place to learn Saiva Siddhanta.?
 
?Oh! Why?? Bhagavan asked.
 
Kunju Swami replied, ?When people come here they have so many questions. If I learn, then I can answer their queries.?
 
?Oh! That is very good, so you are going to learn Saiva Siddhanta so that others? questions can be answered. Suppose someone comes with questions on Advaita Vedanta, what will you do? You will go and learn Advaita Vedanta and if someone comes and talks to you in Sanskrit, what will you do? You will go and learn Sanskrit. If westerners come to you, speaking in English, how will you answer them? Then will you go and learn English too??
 
By now Kunju Swami knew that Bhagavan was pulling his leg. He demurred, ?Bhagavan, please pardon me. I am not going anywhere. Please teach me. It is only because of love that I want to help the others.?
 
Bhagavan then gave him a gracious look and said, ?If you learn to remain in the Heart as ?I AM‟, the answers to any questions that are put to you will emerge like an echo from within and they will be the correct answers. Learn to remain within your Heart as ?I AM‟.

From Ramana Periyapuranam.

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Re: Bhagavan Ramana Teachings
« Reply #1660 on: August 26, 2016, 02:27:27 PM »
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Bhagavan then gave him a gracious look and said, ?If you learn to remain in the Heart as ?I AM‟, the answers to any questions that are put to you will emerge like an echo from within and they will be the correct answers. Learn to remain within your Heart as ?I AM‟.

That's it .
However many holy words you read, however many you speak, what good will they do you if you do not act on upon them? - Buddha

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Re: Bhagavan Ramana Teachings
« Reply #1661 on: August 26, 2016, 03:23:24 PM »
quintessence of Bhagawan's teaching!
॥ शांतमात्मनि तिष्ट ॥
Remain quietly in the Self.
~ Vasishta

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Re: Bhagavan Ramana Teachings
« Reply #1662 on: August 26, 2016, 06:04:19 PM »
Also reminded me of the repeated statement of Krishnamurti.  "The mind must be empty, and the heart full. Now we have our minds full and our hearts empty."


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« Reply #1663 on: August 26, 2016, 06:28:33 PM »
Also reminded me of the repeated statement of Krishnamurti.  "The mind must be empty, and the heart full. Now we have our minds full and our hearts empty."

Right from childhoos there is tremendrous pressure from family , School , Collage ,Society to "be somebody"  and even if someone goes to the spiritual line , he/she is considered successful only when he/she becomes somebody great that others recognize while the true masters say "be nobody" .
However many holy words you read, however many you speak, what good will they do you if you do not act on upon them? - Buddha

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« Reply #1664 on: August 26, 2016, 07:33:43 PM »
உன்னை நீ அறிந்தாயாகில்
 உனக்கொரு கெடும் இல்லை


Should you know yourself
no harm will befall you. 

Kaivalya Navaneetam
॥ शांतमात्मनि तिष्ट ॥
Remain quietly in the Self.
~ Vasishta