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« Reply #1005 on: February 06, 2015, 02:49:59 PM »
Bhagavan Ramana Teachings:

And you require Sadhana to get rid of all those desires.

A newcomer to the Asramam asked Bhagavan,'Is it possible to attain Moksha while still in this body?' Bhagavan said: What is
Moksha?  Who attains it? Unless there is bondage,how there be be any Moksha?  Who attains it? Unless there is bondage,
how can there be Moksha?  Who has that bondage? 'Me', said the questioner.'Who really are you?  How did you get the
bondage?  And why?  If you first know that, then we can think of attaining Moksha while in this body', said Bhagavan.Unable
ask any further questions,he kept quiet and after a while went away.

V. Ganesan.

Arunachala Siva.   

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« Reply #1006 on: February 07, 2015, 02:27:43 AM »
The Self is that where there is absolutely no 'I' thought.

That is called Silence.

The Self itself is the world.

The Self itself is 'I'.

The Self itself is God.

All is Siva, the Self.

When the mind expands in the form of countless thoughts, each thought becomes weak.

But as thoughts get resolved the mind becomes one pointed and strong.


For such a mind Self Inquiry will become easy.

Heart is Thy Name, Oh Lord.

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« Reply #1007 on: February 07, 2015, 02:41:03 AM »
Bhagavan Ramana Teachings:

Bhagavan looked at the rest of us with kindness in His eyes and said: Many people ask the same question.  They want to attain
Moksha in this body.  There is Sangham (society). Not only now, but even in olden days many people not only taught their
disciples but also wrote books to the effect that there were kaya kalpa vratas (rejuvenation) and such things, and that this body
could be made as strong as an adamant, so as to become imperishable. After saying all that, doing ever so many things and
writing about them at length, they died in course of time. When the guru himself who talked and preached of rejuvenation
passed away, what about his disciples?  We do not know what will happen the next moment to a thing that we see now. Peace
cannot be attained unless through Self Inquiry one realizes that one is not the body and, with Vairagya (absence of worldly
desires and passions), one ceases to care about it.  Moksha is after all the attainment of Shanti (Peace).If therefore peace
cannot be attained so long as the body is identified with the Self, any attempt to keep the body for ever, as it is, increases
the bondage instead of decreasing it.  It is an illusion.

V. Ganesan.

Arunachala Siva.     

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« Reply #1008 on: February 08, 2015, 07:11:57 AM »
God and Guru are not different.

Just as the prey which has fallen into the  jaws of a tiger has no escape, so those who have  come within the ambit of
the Guru's gracious look will be saved by the Guru and will not get lost;

yet, each one should by his own effort pursue  the path shown by God or Guru and gain liberation.

God and Guru will only show the way to liberation; they will not themselves take the soul to the state of liberation.

Ishta Devata (God chosen for worship) and Guru are aids -- very powerful aids on this path.

For an aid to be effective requires your effort also.

It is you who should see the Sun. Can spectacles and the sun see for you?

Heart is Thy Name, Oh Lord!

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« Reply #1009 on: February 08, 2015, 07:19:59 AM »
Bhagavan Ramana Teachings:

Ramamurthi asked, 'Where does the difference come between the atom and the infinite?'  'It comes from the body itself',
said Bhagavan.  Ramamurthi asked, 'How is that we see many forces in the world?' Bhagavan said: 'The mind alone is
the cause. It is the mind that makes you see so many different forces.  When that is born, all else is born. The five elements
and the forces beyond the elements, whatever they are, and the forces beyond others also take shape,once the mind is born.
If the mind is dissolved, all others also get dissolved.The mind is the cause of everything.'

V. Ganesan.

Arunachala Siva.       

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« Reply #1010 on: February 09, 2015, 07:29:07 AM »
Without desire, resolve, or effort, the Sun rises, and in its mere presence, the sun-stone emits fire, the lotus  blooms,
water evaporates, people perform their various functions and then rest.

By virtue  of the mere presence of God, souls perform their actions and then rest, in accordance with their respective karmas.

God has no resolve; no karma attaches itself to Him; like worldly actions do not affect the sun.

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Desirelessness is Wisdom.  The two are not different.

Desirelessness is refraining from turning the mind towards any object. Wisdom means the appearance of no object.

Not seeking what is the other than Self is detachment or desirelessness.

Not leaving the Self is Wisdom.


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« Reply #1011 on: February 09, 2015, 07:37:03 AM »
Bhagavan Ramana Teachings:

The Brahmin asked pointedly, 'Even though people commit adultery and theft and take alcoholic drinks and so on,
can their sins be wiped out by doing Japas with the mantras mentioned above.  Or will the sins stick to them?'

'If the feeling 'I am doing the Japa' is not there, the sins committed by a man will not stick him. If the feeling 'I am doing
the japa' is there, why should not the sin arising from bad habits stick on?' said Bhagavan.  'Will not this punya extinguish
that papam? asked the Brahmin.  'So long as the feeling,'I am doing' is there, one must experience the result of one's
acts, whether they are good or bad.  How is it possible to wipe out one act with another?  Unless one realizes the Self ''I
am doing; will never vanish.'

V.Ganesan.

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« Reply #1012 on: February 10, 2015, 08:05:58 AM »
Happiness is the very nature of the Self.

We imagine through our ignorance that we derive happiness  from objects.

In the state of sleep, Samadhi, and fainting and when the object desired is obtained, or the object disliked is removed,
the mind becomes inward turned and enjoys pure Self Happiness.

Realizing  one's true nature is Liberation.

Heart is Thy Name, Oh Lord.

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« Reply #1013 on: February 10, 2015, 08:17:17 AM »
Bhagavan Ramana Teachings:

The devotee said, 'Does dissolving one's self in its own place mean that with buddhi one discards the annaymaya and
other kosas and after that discards the buddhi itself?'

Bhagavan replied: 'Where do you go if you discard buddhi?  The buddhi remaining in its own state is the knowing
of one's own state. To eliminate or discard the various elements mentioned already, buddhi must be used like a
punishing rod. The buddhi described as of two parts, unclean and clean.  When it is associated with the  work
of the antahkarana it is stated to be unclean.That is known as mind and ahankara. When buddhi is used as a punishing
rod to drive away those things and to give the inspiration of the Self (aham sphurana) i.e. 'I', it is known as clean
buddhi.  If that is caught and the rest is discarded, that which is, remains as it is.'

Further questioning was,'It is said that, buddhi must be made one with Atma. How is that?' Bhagavan replied,'How
can it be made one with Atma when it is not a thing from outside?  It is one within oneself. The feeling or the shadow
of Atma is buddhi.  If the buddhi, the static thing, is known, one remains as one's own Self. Some call that buddhi,
some shakti and some call it aham. Whatever the name, it must be caught hold of firmly to drive away all that
comes from elsewhere.'

V. Ganesan.

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« Reply #1014 on: February 11, 2015, 08:16:59 AM »
The Self is here and now, and alone.

The one obstacle is the mind;

It must be got over whether in the home or in the forest.

Your efforts can be made even now, whatever be the environment.


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« Reply #1015 on: February 11, 2015, 08:30:59 AM »
Bhagavan Ramana Teachings:

Bhagavan says that sadhana must be done to discard all such bad things; but the mind itself is inert and cannot do anything
by itself; Chaitanya is achalam, and so will not do anything.  Then how is one to perform sadhana?, some one asked.

Bhagavan replied, 'Oho! But how you are able to talk now?'

'Swami, I do not understand that and that is why I ask for enlightenment,'  he said.

Bhagavan replied: 'All right. Then please listen.  The mind which is inert is able  to achieve everything,by the force of its
contact, saanidhya bala (strength of proximity) with Chaitanya, (Self), which is achala. But without the aid of Chaitanya the
inert mind cannot accomplish anything by itself.Chaitanya, being immobile, cannot accomplish anything without the help
of the mind.  It is the relationship of abhinna bhavam, one dependent on the other and inseparable.  That is why elders
discussed this matter from various angles and came to the conclusion that the mind is chit-jada-atmakam.  We have to
say that the combination of Chit ( Self) and Jada (inert) produces action.'

Bhagavan has written nicely about this chit jada granthi in His Ulladu Narpadu, Verse 24 as follows:

'The body does not say 'I'.  The Atman is not born.In between the feeling 'I' is born in the whole body. Whatever name
you give it that is chit jada granthi (the knot between the Consciousness and the inert), and also bondage.'

V.Ganesan. 

Arunachala Siva.         

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« Reply #1016 on: February 12, 2015, 08:19:52 AM »
The feeling 'I work' is the hindrance.

Ask yourself 'Who works?'

What is destined to happen will happen.

If you are destined not to work,
work cannot be had even if you hunt for it;

If you are destined to work,
you will not be able to avoid it;
you will be forced to engage yourself in it.

So, leave it to the Higher Power;

you cannot renounce or retain as you choose.


Sleep is not ignorance, it is one's Pure State;

Wakefulness is not Knowledge,it is ignorance.

There is full awareness in sleep and total ignorance in waking.

Your real nature covers both and extends beyond.

The Self is beyond both Knowledge and Ignorance.

Sleep,dream, and waking states are only modes passing before the Self;

they proceed whether you are aware of them or not.

Heart is Thy Name, Oh Lord.

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« Reply #1017 on: February 12, 2015, 08:45:51 AM »
Bhagavan Ramana Teachings:

Lady: Bhagavan!  How can one attain the Self?

Bhagavan: Why should attain the Self?

Lady: For Shanti (peace.)

Bhagavan: So! Is that it? Then what is called peace,is there?

Lady: Yes. There is.

Bhagavan:All right! And you know that you should attain it.How do you know? To know that, you must have experienced it
at sometime or other. It is only when one knows sugarcane is sweet, that one wishes to have some. Similarly, you must
have experienced peace. You experience it now and then. Otherwise,  why this longing for peace?  In fact,we find every
human being is longing for peace.Peace of some kind.  It is therefore, obvious that peace is the real thing, the reality;
call it shanti, soul, paramatma, or Self -- whatever you like. We all want it.don't we?

Lady: Yes. But how to attain it?

Bhagavan: When you have got is shanti itself. What can I say if someone asks for something which he has already got?
If it is anything to be brought from somewhere else, effort is required.  The mind with all its activities has come between
you and your Self.  What you have to do now is to get rid of that.

V. Ganesan.

Arunachala Siva.         

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« Reply #1018 on: February 13, 2015, 08:14:39 AM »
Subjugation of the mind is meditation.


deep meditation is eternal speech.

Silence is ever speaking.

It is the perennial flow of language.

Lectures may entertain individuals for  hours, without improving them.

Silence, on the other hand, is permanent and benefits the whole humanity

Silence is unceasing eloquence.....

It is the best language.   

How does the speech arise?

There is abstract knowledge, whence arises the ego,

which  in turn gives rise to thought,
and the thought to spoken word.

So the word is the great grandson of the original source.

But people do not understand this simple,bare truth,
the truth of their everyday, ever present, eternal experience.

They love mystery and not the truth.

Religions cater to them so as to eventually bring them around to the Self.

Heart is Thy Name,Oh Lord.


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« Reply #1019 on: February 13, 2015, 08:28:52 AM »
Bhagavan Ramana Teachings:

'Swami, it is all right if we sit up for meditation with closed eyes; but if we keep them open,the outer senses give trouble.
What should we do?'

Bhagavan: What happens even if the eyes are kept open? It is enough if you make the mind sleep just like your
sleeping in a house,keeping the windows open.

Devotee: That means the mind should be kept away from worldly affairs.However much we try,we are  not able
thus to control the mind.

Bhagavan:  Yes.That is true.That is why it is said that when a child cries to catch its own shadow by running after it,
and weeps when unable to do so, the mother comes and prevents it from running.So also, the mind should be
prevented from running away.

Devotee: By what method can that be prevented?

Bhagavan:  The mind should be held by hearing and meditation on the sayings of the Vedanta and thereby prevent it
from going astray.

Devotee: That means, you must give up worldly pleasures and catch hold of Atma Ananda (Bliss of the
Self). Is that so?

Bhagavan: Ananda always exists.It is only  the worldly things that have to be given up.If they are given up. If they
are given up, what remains is only Bliss.That which IS, is the Self. Where is the question of catching that which IS?
That is one's own nature, Swabhava.

V.Ganesan.

Arunachala Siva.