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« Reply #360 on: December 18, 2012, 01:38:07 PM »
One day a farmer’s donkey fell down into a well. The animal cried miserably for hours as the farmer tried to figure out what to do. Finally he decided that the animal was old and the well needed to be covered up anyway, it just wasn’t worth it to retrieve the donkey anymore. He invited his neighbors to come over and help him. They all grabbed a shovel and began to shovel dirt into the well. At first, the donkey realized what was happening and cried horribly. Then, to everyone’s amazement, he quieted down. A few shovel loads later, the farmer finally looked down the well and was astonished at what he saw. With every shovel of dirt that hit his back, the donkey was doing something astonishing. He would shake it off and take a step up. As the farmer’s neighbors continued to shovel dirt on top of the animal, he would shake it off and take a step up. Pretty soon, everyone was amazed as the donkey stepped up over the edge of the well and trotted off! Life is going to shovel dirt on you, all kinds of dirt. The trick to getting out of the well is to shake it off and take a step up. Each of our troubles is a stepping-stone. We can get out of the deepest wells just by not stopping, never giving up! Shake it off and take a step up!

॥ शांतमात्मनि तिष्ट ॥
Remain quietly in the Self.
~ Vasishta

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« Reply #361 on: December 18, 2012, 01:51:12 PM »
Dear Nagaraj,

It is a nice story. Thanks.

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« Reply #362 on: December 18, 2012, 07:01:35 PM »
oh , children , don't you weep ,
if the road is long .
all of us are prayers of action ,
on our way to god ,
on our way to god .

some of us are long and rambling ,
sometimes lost for years .
some of us are small and holy ,
beautiful and clear .

oh , children , don't you weep ,
if the road is long .
all of us are prayers of action ,
on our way to god ,
on our way to god .

........... Tom Rapp

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simply stop telling the story of the self and see who you are without it

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« Reply #363 on: December 19, 2012, 05:26:24 AM »
Nice beloved abstract, :) btw, 'beloved abstract' are two wonderful words.

'all of us are prayers of action'

॥ शांतमात्मनि तिष्ट ॥
Remain quietly in the Self.
~ Vasishta

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« Reply #364 on: December 19, 2012, 03:17:29 PM »
Dear Nagaraj,

Here is a beautiful verse from Abhirami Bhattar in Abhirami Andaati:


30: அன்றே தடுத்து என்னை ஆண்டுகொண்டாய், கொண்டது அல்ல என்கை
நன்றே உனக்கு? இனி நான் என் செயினும் நடுக்கடலுள்
சென்றே விழினும், கரையேற்றுகை நின் திருவுளமோ.-
ஒன்றே, பல உருவே, அருவே, என் உமையவளே.

You have taken over me and ruled over me even on that day. (I am henceforth your servant).  If I do good things or even if
I (do bad things) and fall into the mid sea (bhava sagaram) it is your sankalpa to put me back ashore. You are One; You are
Many; You are nothing, non-form, O my Uma!

Arunachala Siva.
     

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« Reply #365 on: December 19, 2012, 04:26:21 PM »
what a beautiful prayer it is, Sir!

கரையேற்றுகை நின் திருவுளமோ

yes, it is His sankalpa to pull us ashore. The faith that we are before our Ammaiappan, and that He will pull us ashore, what a feeling it brings forth from within! Other day, i heard some verses from Thaayumaanavar, in some music concert, i was greatly moved, i am trying to figure out those verses, once i find, i shall present them here.

These are the words of Sri Ramakrishna, in this regard -

One must propitiate the Divine Mother, the Primal Energy, in order to obtain God's grace. God Himself is Mahamaya, who deludes the world with Her illusion and conjures up the magic of creation, preservation, and destruction. She has spread this veil of ignorance before our eyes. We can go into the inner chamber only when She lets us pass through the door. Living outside, we see only outer objects, but not that Eternal Being, Existence-Knowledge-Bliss Absolute. Therefore it is stated in the purna that deities like Brahma praised Mahamaya for the destruction of the demons Madhu and Kaitabha.

Everything depends on the will of God. The world is His play. He has created all these different things-great and small, strong and weak, good and bad, virtuous and vicious. This is all His maya, His sport.


॥ शांतमात्मनि तिष्ट ॥
Remain quietly in the Self.
~ Vasishta

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« Reply #366 on: December 19, 2012, 05:07:06 PM »
Sir, here is one of the verse i was talking about, of Thayumanavar, it is soaked with emotion, i just fell in love with Thayumanavar, His grace in those moments had such lasting effect on me, words are beyond description:

தந்தை தாயுநீ என்னுயிர்த் துணையுநீ சஞ்சல மதுதீர்க்க
வந்த தேசிக வடிவுநீ உனையலால் மற்றொரு துணைகாணேன்
அந்தம் ஆதியும் அளப்பருஞ் சோதியே ஆதியே அடியார்தஞ்
சிந்தை மேவிய தாயுமா னவனெனுஞ் சிரகிரிப் பெருமானே. 10.


than-thai thAyun-I ennuyirth thuNaiyun-I sanjsala mathuthIrkka
van-tha thEsika vadivun-I unaiyalAl maRRoru thuNaikANEn
an-tham Athiyum aLapparunj sOthiyE AthiyE adiyArthanj
sin-thai mEviya thAyumA navanenunj sirakirip perumAnE. 10.

Unfortunately I am unable to provide the english translation. It would be a blessing if you or Sri Ravi can provide a translation for the benefit of everybody here and also myself as well.

« Last Edit: December 19, 2012, 05:09:12 PM by Nagaraj »
॥ शांतमात्मनि तिष्ट ॥
Remain quietly in the Self.
~ Vasishta

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« Reply #367 on: December 19, 2012, 05:21:42 PM »
Dear Nagaraj,

I shall give the meaning of Tayumanavar's verse towards the end.

Here is Abhirami Bhattar's one more verse:

சிவபெருமானின் இடப்பாகத்தில் அமர்ந்தவளே!

44: தவளே இவள், எங்கள் சங்கரனார் மனை மங்கலமாம்
அவளே, அவர்தமக்கு அன்னையும் ஆயினள், ஆகையினால்,
இவளே கடவுளர் யாவர்க்கும் மேலை இறைவியும் ஆம்,
துவளேன், இனி ஒரு தெய்வம் உண்டாக மெய்த் தொண்டு செய்தே.

எங்கள் இறைவனாகிய சங்கரனின் இல்லத் துணைவியே! அவருக்கே அன்னையாகவும் (பராசக்தி ஈன்ற பரமசிவம்) ஆனவளே! ஆகையால் நீயே யாவர்க்கும் மேலானவள்! ஆகவே, உனக்கே இனி உண்மையான தொண்டு செய்வேன். ஆதலால், இனி நான் துன்பங்களால் துவள மாட்டேன். தாயே!

You are the housewife of Sankara. And also His Mother. So you are the greatest of all. So, I shall serve you only. I shall
therefore henceforth suffer and wilt under miseries.

Your Tayumanavar's beautiful verse:   

You are my Father! You are my Mother! You are my soul's support. You have come to remove all my worries and miseries,as
my Guru (Guru=God=Self). I find no other support than You. You are immeasurable without beginning and end. You have
taken hold of the Heart of devotees, O Thayumanava!* The Lord of Siragiri!**

* The Siva of Siragiri (Tiruchirapalli, Rockfort Temple. The saint poet got his name after that Siva. ** Siragiri = Tiruchirapalli
Rockfort Temple. It is a man made Hill, atop is the Fort.

Arunachala Siva.           
 

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« Reply #368 on: December 19, 2012, 05:31:00 PM »
what joy, thanks so much Sir, gratitude! thanks also for that bit about Siragiri. what a beautiful verse yet again, you have provided,

உனக்கே இனி உண்மையான தொண்டு செய்வேன். ஆதலால், இனி நான் துன்பங்களால் துவள மாட்டேன். தாயே!

It brings up the bhaavam - "kurai onRRum illai" we are fine, we are all fine, as it is, as it is, now, exactly as we are.

॥ शांतमात्मनि तिष्ट ॥
Remain quietly in the Self.
~ Vasishta

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« Reply #369 on: December 19, 2012, 05:46:29 PM »


॥ शांतमात्मनि तिष्ट ॥
Remain quietly in the Self.
~ Vasishta

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« Reply #370 on: December 19, 2012, 07:12:36 PM »
Nagaraj,
I am delighted to see that you have opened a thread for the Hymns of Thayumanavar;his hymns are a perennial delight to me.
You may find the complete collection of his songs here:
http://www.shaivam.org/tamil/sta_tayumanavar1_u.htm
You may find a very good translation of all his hymns into English here:
http://www.himalayanacademy.com/book/the-songs-of-tayumanavar/3
The Translation may be improved further,yet overall it is pretty good.However,nothing  like reading the Original which has a mantric effect and immediately imbues one with Bhava.

Namaskar.

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« Reply #371 on: December 19, 2012, 07:41:07 PM »
Dear Ravi,

Yes.  I feel the same. I think for that matter any translation is only a poor cousin.

Arunachala Siva.

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« Reply #372 on: December 19, 2012, 08:00:53 PM »
Sri Ravi,

The Himalayan academy website is wonderful, infact it was very inspiring to see Shaivism flourish in foreign soil with great fervor, i was reading about Sivaya Subramuniyaswami. They are all great inspiration! I have already been highly inspired by Thayumanavar verses, but this time, it is like, He has captured me by those verses, தந்தை தாயுநீ என்னுயிர்த் துணையுநீ....

I request yourself and Subramanian Sir to provide your insights wherever you may feel like that many enhance a devotee's perspective and fervor.

Subramanin Sir, you are right, any translation cannot be good enough, but a basic translation at least opens up the gates into the deep realms of ones own heart, which the rasa of bhakti can be tasted, upon the churning of our intellect on His contemplation.

॥ शांतमात्मनि तिष्ट ॥
Remain quietly in the Self.
~ Vasishta

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« Reply #373 on: December 19, 2012, 08:25:35 PM »
Nagaraj,
Yes the Himalayan academy site is a very good resource;Sri Sivaya subramuniya Swami is a disciple of yogaswami of Sri Lanka and they acknowledge the vedanta siddhanta samarasa;Yogaswami has met sri Bhagavan.Thayumanavar is a perfect exemplar of vedanta siddhanta samarasa.The Following song is a wonderful one from his எங்கு நிறைகின்ற பொருள் -All pervasive Being

அவனன்றி யோரணுவும் அசையாதெ னும்பெரிய
      ஆப்தர்மொழி யொன்றுகண்டால்
   அறிவாவ தேதுசில அறியாமை ஏதிவை
      அறிந்தார்கள் அறியார்களார்
மௌனமொ டிருந்ததார் என்போ லுடம்பெலாம்
      வாயாய்ப் பிதற்றுமவரார்
   மனதெனவும் ஒருமாயை எங்கே இருந்துவரும்
      வன்மையொ டிரக்கமெங்கே
புவனம் படைப்பதென் கர்த்தவிய மெவ்விடம்
      பூதபே தங்களெவிடம்
   பொய்மெயிதம் அகிதமேல் வருநன்மை தீமையொடு
      பொறைபொறா மையுமெவ்விடம்
எவர்சிறிய ரெவர்பெரிய ரெவருறவ ரெவர்பகைஞர்
      யாதுமுனை யன்றியுண்டோ
   இகபர மிரண்டினிலும் உயிரினுக் குயிராகி
      எங்குநிறை கின்றபொருளே.1.
"Not an atom moveth without Him" -
If this great saying of the wise is realized,
Where then is knowledge?
Where then is ignorance?
Who are they that knew this?
Who are they that knew this not?
Who are they that in silentness sat?
Who are they that are loquacious like me,
My entire body turned into mouth
?
Where doth the illusion, that is mind, come from?
Where is cruelty from?
Where is compassion from?
Why the creation of this universe?
Why the lordly functions arising therefrom?
Why these diverse elements?
Why truth and falsehood?
Why pleasantness and unpleasantness?
Why good and evil?
Why beneficient things to be?
Why the disasters to follow?
Why the patience and impatience?
Who are small?
Who are great?
Who are friends?
Who are enemies?
All, all none but Thee!
Oh! Thou the Pervasive Being
That is Life of life
Of this world and next!

This one verse is enough to stop all meaningless arguements and digressions.
Namaskar.

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« Reply #374 on: December 19, 2012, 08:53:45 PM »
So nice, the sum and substance of vedanta, reminds me of Avvaiyaar's Aathichudi, so simple and yet so very profound, easily digestible.

I am again and again being smitten by the beauty that is tamil.

॥ शांतमात्मनि तिष्ट ॥
Remain quietly in the Self.
~ Vasishta