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« Reply #270 on: November 03, 2012, 09:47:09 PM »
SWAMIJI: The river cannot understand it, unless it actually enters the ocean. You are talking about a condition which you have not yet reached. That is why these questions are rising. Unless you have reached that state, it is like a sleeping man asking, "What will I do when I wake up?" When you wake up, you know what to do. Why are you putting a question? It is because you have not woken up that you are putting a question. You have woken up, and you know what is your duty; it is clear to your mind. When you reach the Absolute Being, you will behave in the same way as the Absolute Being behaves. It is up to you to decide what It does. You will be doing the same thing, because you are inseparable from That.

As the Swami said, "What does the river do when it enters the ocean?" It will do what the ocean is doing. It will not behave like a river at that time. It will behave like the ocean only. And, there will be no river in the ocean. The Ganga, the Yamuna, the Mississippi, the Volga, the Amazon – there will be no such thing in the ocean. You will see only ocean. You will not find the Amazon, the Mississippi, etc., in the ocean; yet, they are there. Likewise, you will all be there, yet you will not see anything there. It will all be ocean. This is what will happen to you, and you will do what the ocean is doing.

It is a great joy, isn't it? It purifies the mind, satisfies the soul. You feel healthy and vigorous, even by hearing it. What do you say? That is why satsanga is necessary. It makes you healthy, even the thought of it.

Visitor: In my experience before I was with my teacher now, I was involved in doing certain rituals and that kind of thing with another teacher. After I met my teacher and experienced enlightenment from him, all desire to do any of those kind of things just completely vanished. It was like there was no need anymore.

SWAMIJI: There is no need anymore, when you have reached the Universal Absolute. There is no need, because there is nobody to do anything at that time.

Visitor: Right.

SWAMIJI: So, the question does not arise. You need not do anything, because, who is there to do anything? Doing is a manipulation of the individual in terms of external relations, and external relations cease there. So, the question of doing does not arise. Everything vanishes into the Total Universality. Unless there is an external, there will be no doing, also.

Visitor: That is why it made me wonder why anyone after enlightenment would do any kind of rituals.

SWAMIJI: Anyone with enlightenment will do anything – what are you asking?

Visitor: Why is it that after enlightenment someone would do rituals, etc?

SWAMIJI: It all depends upon what you mean by enlightenment. If enlightenment means unity with the Absolute, there will be no question of doing anything afterwards. The question itself is redundant. But, if your idea of enlightenment is something else, then you have to define, first of all, what you mean by enlightenment. If in enlightenment you maintain individuality as Mr. so-and-so, then, in spite of enlightenment, you will be propelled to do actions by the very law of your biological existence. You will feel hungry, you will feel thirsty, you will like to sleep, you will like to travel, you will like to speak. These are all rituals only. But, you will do that only as long as you are existing in the body, and are conscious of the body.

But, if enlightenment means merging in the Universal Being, the question is not there. There is no question. You do not exist there at all. So, there is no doing; what will you do at that time? It is as "being" only, not "doing." God is Pure Being, not "doing." In Sanskrit we call this state sat-chit-ananda – existence-consciousness-bliss. That is the nature of God – pure existence, pure consciousness, and pure bliss. This is God in essence.

Visitor: After one realises unity with the Absolute, can there be any thing that is of not living in accord with that profound realisation, according to the depth of one's surrender to It?

SWAMIJI: Once you have become united with It, you do not exist anywhere else as this person. Your questions have no meaning then. You do not exist at all. You become one with the sea of universal force, so you will not put a question like that afterwards. The question arises on account of the persistence of individuality even after enlightenment. But, enlightenment means merging in the Universal. The personality ceases to be there; then, you need not have to raise this question at all. The person himself is not there. Then, what question arises? So, you do not maintain a duality after attainment of That. You should not think that still you are outside It.

Only if you are outside It, the question arises. In the path or the process of realising It, there may be difficulties of this kind. But once you have actually touched It, there is no problem. On the way, there are problems, and many varieties of problems. You will have hundreds of difficulties. Many of them, you cannot even imagine; such problems will arise.

You have to read the lives of saints who passed through all these stages, about the problems they had to face. Like Buddha, for instance – you must have studied or read about the life of Buddha. I am giving one example among many others. He tried many ways of enlightenment. First he went to a Guru who taught him physical exercises – asanas, pranayamas, and all that. He went on doing it and nothing happened. No enlightenment came. Then, he started fasting: "Let me not eat. I will sit here until my bone melts, and I will not get up from this place." There was no eating, and his body started withering, as if it was collapsing and finishing. He could not crawl, also. Even that strength he did not have. He felt at that time that it was all a waste, a worthless pursuit – nothing comes: "This is the last day for me." At that time, some lady on the way brought him some porridge, some gruel, and gave it to him to eat. He had some friends who saw him eating this, and they thought this man has fallen. "Oh, you have eaten! You are no good. We will leave you and go away."

He said, "All right, you can go away." Actually, they did not understand, nor did Buddha understand at that time, whether fasting is good, or eating is good. Anyway, he took it and a little strength came, but he was dejected very much. "What is the matter? Nothing comes – no enlightenment. I am in the same condition as I was." He went on sitting.

Suddenly, he saw in his presence his own wife, whom he had left. The wife was with a little child on the lap: "My Lord, you have left me and come. Are you so cruel?"

He said, "How this lady has come here?" He was in the forest, far off under a tree, and the palace of this lady was somewhere else. "Oh, it is an illusion!" he started telling himself, "My desires are manifesting themselves in the form of this individual. Get away from here!" he said.

It was cruel, you could see, because she was sitting there. She was weeping, "Oh, my Lord, you have left me."

He said, "No, no, no. Get away! You are an illusion. You are trying to tempt me. Get away!" Anyway, that vision vanished afterwards. Again he sat.

Edwin Arnold has written a poem called "Light of Asia." I do not know if you have read that book. "Light of Asia" is a poetic biography of Buddha written by a learned scholar. He describes in one chapter what psychological tortures Buddha had to undergo. Angels descended from heaven with temptations of thousands of kinds – with dance and music and nectar. They said, "Everything is here. Come on. You have attained enlightenment, Master! Now, stop your meditation. Here is the river of nectar; there is the pool of honey; here are the maidens for your servants; here are the palaces; you are the king of these gods. Come on!"

"Get away from here!" Buddha said, "You are trying to tempt me with all these dances and all that. No! I do not want it." After he persisted in rejecting them, these visions vanished.

Then, another more ferocious vision started: "What do you think you are? We will pound you to dust just now. We will belabour you! Get up from this place! You are an idiot!" Demons started coming and talking to him.

He said, "What is the matter? First some other vision, now another thing is coming. Do not talk to me! You can pound me to dust or belabour me. I do not want to talk to you," he said. He kept quiet and went on with the meditation. Then, that vision vanished.

Then, there was vast wind, tornado, cyclone, with mud and a hailstorm – everything on his head. It was not actually a physical hailstorm. A psychological world manifested itself before the dross of the mind was thrown out. When you sweep the floor, all the dust goes up and blinds your eyes; yet, it is a cleaning process. Even then, he was thinking to himself, "Nothing has happened to me. I am not having any enlightenment or anything." On that day, when he was in this very difficult situation and in a state of despondency, in the middle of the night, light opened; he had enlightenment.

I am just mentioning to you the difficulties that spiritual seekers have to pass through. It is not easy going, a bread-and-jam path. It is a very hard job, difficult to control the mind. The mind cannot be controlled; it cannot be concentrated on anything continuously. It will jump here and there, in twenty places. When you are wanting to think something, another thing will come. This is the difficulty in Yoga practice. Even God you cannot think then. When you think of God, the idea of the market place, or travel, or a railway train, or something, will come and obstruct you.

Months and years of practice, and tenacious, adamantine persistence in concentrating the mind on one thing is necessary – and a perfect faith that after getting it, "I shall get everything." Therefore, tell the mind: "Oh foolish mind! Why do you go here and there? When you get that, everything will come to you, so what is the good of running here and there for little tinsels?" You tell the mind.

The mind feels that it is losing everything when it goes to God. All the friends, relations, money, wealth, and good things vanish. It may feel like that; it is not concentrating. You tell it, "No, it is not like that. This is a shadow that you are seeing. The realities are somewhere else. If the shadows are attracting you so much, what about the realities? And, not only that, these shadows also are included there in that thing which is your goal in meditation, so you are going to lose nothing. You are going to get everything."

Tell the mind. That is one way of controlling the mind. Like a little child, you tell the mind, "Don't cry, don't cry!" Otherwise, it won't listen. Even children don't listen. They are very naughty. So, these are some of the interesting things on the spiritual path. It is very hazardous and takes much time; yet, it is worth pursuing, and it is the only thing worth pursuing, finally. What do you say?

Visitor: You said earlier that after enlightenment, external relations do not exist? Is that right? Could you explain more about that?

SWAMIJI: What explanation? I have told you. It is very clear. I think the sentence is very clear. What difficulty have you got in understanding it?

Visitor: I am wondering about how people live together after enlightenment.

॥ शांतमात्मनि तिष्ट ॥
Remain quietly in the Self.
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Re: my musings
« Reply #271 on: November 04, 2012, 10:06:46 PM »


Musafir Hoon Yaaron.. Na Ghar Hai Na Tikhana
Mujhe Chalte Jaana Hai.. Bas Chalte Jaana
Ek Raah Rukh Gayi Tho Aur Judh Gayi
Main Mura Tho Saath Saath Raha Murgayi

Hawaon Ke Paron Par Mera Ashiana
Din Ne Haath Thaam Kar Idhar Bithaliya
Raat Ne Ishaare Se Udhar Bulahliya
Subah se Shaam Se Mera Dostana

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nCi5kwD1Y8


           I am a traveler my friends, no home or whereabouts
I have to keep going.. just keep going
when one path ended, another joined up with it
whenever I turned, the path bent along with me

My home is on the wings of the wind
The day held my hand and made me sit here
The night beckoned and called me there
Day and night are my friends


मुसाफिर हूँ यारों
ना घर है ना ठिकाना
मुझे चलते जाना है
बस चलते जाना[

एक राह रुक गयी तो और जुड गयी
मैं मुड़ा तो साथ-साथ राह मुड़ गयी
हवा के परों पर मेरा आशियाना

दिन ने हाथ थाम कर इधर बिठा लिया
रात ने इशारे से उधर बुला लिया
सुबह से शाम से मेरा दोस्तान

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॥ शांतमात्मनि तिष्ट ॥
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~ Vasishta

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Bangalore to Tiruvannamalai - Alternate Route
« Reply #272 on: November 07, 2012, 06:30:46 PM »
Friends,

Bangalore to Tiruvannamalai - Alternate Route

I had been to Arunachala for the last two days. I have some good news to share for Bangalore visitors by vehicle, i discovered a new route, which is very good and a heaven compared to the usual route. This route is just about, may be 20 kms extra, but the road is just wonderful, with only the last stretch to tiruvannamalai with little patch in the road, which also was not bad, we could easily manage 60 kms speed, which is sufficiently good enough. The journey time too, is much lesser compared to the usual one.

Instead of taking the left turn at the krishnagiri by-pass, from which road we turn right that heads to tiruvannamalai, continue further in the dharmapuri salem road, and in about appx. 25 kms, take a left turn at kAryamangalam, you can find a display board at the top, that clearly states, and from kAryamangalam drive towards arur, then thIrthamalai (holy place sanctified by Lord Rama, He performed some rites for having killed many demons) then thandrampet, then tiruvannalamai. From my place of residence, it took less than 4 hours of journey time by car including a 15-20 min coffee break.

Below Map is of help:





« Last Edit: November 07, 2012, 09:26:24 PM by Nagaraj »
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« Reply #273 on: November 07, 2012, 06:41:20 PM »
Dear Nagaraj,

Thanks for the useful information.

Arunachala Siva.
 

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Re: my musings
« Reply #274 on: November 07, 2012, 07:17:51 PM »
About my visit to Arunachala, i do not have much to share, it was very quiet and very personal experience, i do not socialize much, hence i did not interact with anybody, so nothing to share at that as well. It was very fulfilling experience, we got accommodation at the very next building beside the Ashram, so we had direct access to Ashram, weather was very nice. Power-cuts are usual. I got opportunity to chant vedas during the morning pujai and abhishekam and adhyayanam and also in the evening. Coincidentally it was a punarvasu nakstaram, star (Bhagavan) it was wonderful, and evening they sang the special punarvasu song on Bhagavan. The last two days were one of my most fulfilling visits so far. As usual, i spend majority of my time in the old hall and samadhi hall. Well, this much i am able to present as a third person narrative, what happened in those two days, cannot be grasped by this mind, time just flew so quickly. It all seems like a dream. i made sure that i got up as early as 3 and was in the old hall at 3:30 and sat before Bhagavan till the samadhi hall was opened and it was truly a blessing to see Bhagavan so early. There were just 3 of us.

I did remember all forum members before Bhagavan :)

Many small new things i was blessed to notice or i can say were revealed, which i wanted to share with you all, the small sandal paste and the kunkum that they put upon the Ramaneshwara lingam felt to me the eye of Bhagavan in the Samadhi Hall, it is so powerful and direct. Then, the picture at Old hall was glowing like fire especially before sunrise and sunset. it appeared like a real. Then, as we all know, Bhagavan never showed abhaya hastam, but, i do not know how many felt this, in the old hall, i felt, Bhagavan has given abhaya pAdam, he has given through his legs. and there are only few photos were he has given this abhaya pAdam. I am presenting those pictures here, below.

I am already missing my trip, it all got over so soon. But there is contentment, happiness.

This one (and the next) is the best, because,
Bhagavan has rested his right hand on his
right leg and give abhaya pAdam,
with extremely graceful eyes:






This is one more:



kanci mahAswAmi is said to have usually given
abhaya hastam only in his left hand, i do not
know the significance, but here Bhagavan
givens abhaya pAdam in his left leg.




This is one grand blessing:



The other two good ones




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« Reply #275 on: November 07, 2012, 07:38:06 PM »
Dear Sri Nagaraj,

It is truly wonderful to hear Your impressions!! I am happy to know that You have great time with Bhagavan and Arunachala!
The pictures of Bhagavan are Amazing and Beautiful! Thank You Very much for sharing all this!

With love and prayers,

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« Reply #276 on: November 07, 2012, 07:41:13 PM »
Nagaraj,
Wonderful Photographs of Sri Bhagavan.Thanks very much.
Namaskar.

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« Reply #277 on: November 07, 2012, 07:43:07 PM »
Dear Nagaraj,

Nice photographs of Sri Bhagavan. You had gone on Punarvasu day. Punarvasu is a gold colored star. Many devotees
have also said, Sri Bhagavan looked like burnished gold. Punarvasu vaNNam is a famous poem of Muruganar in Sri
Ramana Sannidhi Murai. 

Arunachala Siva.

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« Reply #278 on: November 07, 2012, 07:47:10 PM »
you are blessed nagaraj garu to visit ashramam on Punarvasu day.

Thanks for sharing your details.

Did you go with your friends or family?

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« Reply #279 on: November 07, 2012, 08:48:04 PM »
Nagaraj

Happy that you had a spiritually refreshing trip to Ramana Ashram .
Thanks for posting the pics of Bhagwan plus also the interview with Swami Krishnananda that had an excellent account of the struggles Buddha had in his search of Nirvana .
Om Peace .
However many holy words you read, however many you speak, what good will they do you if you do not act on upon them? - Buddha

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« Reply #280 on: November 07, 2012, 08:59:43 PM »
Thank you friends,

yes, it was truly wonderful experience, just back, already longing for another visit!

Sri Prashant, thank you :) I did not know it was a punarvasu till an archakar who has gotten to know me on account of regular visits enquired when i had come, and then he said, oh good, today is punarvasu star. i went with my parents, I have just one or two good friends only 'Hi, How are you types', but not the types who would visit Arunachala :)

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« Reply #281 on: November 08, 2012, 02:14:09 AM »
Dear Nagarajji,

Thank you so much for sharing these wonderful pictures and your experience at Sri Ramanashramam. Very kind of you to think of the forum members in front of Bhagavan. For people like me who live very far, reading about the ashram visits is a big consolation since we can't visit as often as we would like.

Om Namo Bhagavate Sri Ramanaya

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« Reply #282 on: November 08, 2012, 02:19:21 AM »
Thank you for these pictures, Sri Nagaraj! It was very special experience for me! I hope that one day all of us will have the opportunity to visit Lord Ramana's Sacred Place!
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« Reply #283 on: November 08, 2012, 06:24:44 AM »
Sri Latha ji, Sri Hari,

I truly understand your feelings, and your longing to visit Arunachala, especially when you are at distant place. I pray all of you get that call to Arunachala, and He sure calls, when the time is right :)

Thanks so much

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« Reply #284 on: November 08, 2012, 06:46:52 AM »
Another thing i wanted to share with you, which i forgot was that in the dining hall, i happened to notice the picture of Sri Ramakrishnar, a small Chandrashekhara Bharati Swamigal of Sringeri, in a corner, along with Adi Shankara, and a picture with all the Sages of India, many unknown to me. This gladdened me much.

The monkeys were having gala time, bathing in the well near the iluppai tree, jumping, and playing, a little one was learning to swim, was hesitant to jump into waters easily, the mother was perhaps trying to teach it to swim, it was displaying its heroics in jumping long and going underneath the waters, it was a treat, as usual the ashram dogs were majestic and dignified, so did the peacocks, the Hill was gloriously giving darshan, i felt, Ramanshram was so ideally located. The Dakshinamurthy statue at the new library is a treat to watch, as one enters the ashram, one gets the darshan directly at the other end near the hill. What to say about the Ashram food, it was nectar. The Ashram people at service were exceptional, each one immersed in their duties, i felt extreme gratitude to each one of them.

॥ शांतमात्मनि तिष्ट ॥
Remain quietly in the Self.
~ Vasishta