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Re: my musings
« Reply #15 on: September 19, 2012, 10:10:52 PM »
Nagaraj/Subramanian,

Sri Bhagavan represents this chant:

poornamadah poornamidam
Poornaat poornamudachyate
Poornasya poornamaadaya
Poornamevaavashishyate

Meaning:
That (pure consciousness) is full (perfect); this (the manifest universe of matter; of names and forms being maya) is full. This fullness has been projected from that fullness. When this fullness merges in that fullness, all that remains is fullness.

Namaskar.


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« Reply #16 on: September 20, 2012, 07:18:16 PM »
When realisation came to me, I was filled with joy and all fear departed from me.
I found pure deliverance in the realm of the unapproachable, the unthinkable.

The Unapproachable has come near, the message of the Unthinkable abides with me always, the Unutterable find utterance.
From separation I have come to Union.
The bonds of self are loosened, all error has fled, and the light of the Brahman shines upon my soul.

Dadu says: I am neither Hindu nor Muslim
I am not attached to any of the six philosophical schools.
I love the merciful God.

In cutting Brahma up into bits the sects have divided him.
Dadu says: abandon limited thought in favour of the unlimited and become non-sectarian (nipakh).

Dadu says: since I am non-sectarian, the people are all in anger against me.

I have found that God is unchangeable, immortal, fearless, self-existent,
Almighty, pure, unimaged, unseen, infinite and incomprehensible.
Worship is due to Him and Him alone.

(Dadu Dayal, 15th Century Mystic)
॥ शांतमात्मनि तिष्ट ॥
Remain quietly in the Self.
~ Vasishta

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« Reply #17 on: September 20, 2012, 09:03:38 PM »
Dear Nagaraj,

You have wonderfully posed as to what happens when Realization is attained.  The situation is something indescribable.
It is beyond words. The achievers of Realization say that they do not know what to do or say. Sri  Bhagavan, of course,
said that He was normal, going to Meenkashi Temple, and crying before the 63 Saints. Of course, the interest in studies
had totally gone. He says:  I was feeling I had a fever. But it was a fever of sukam, sukamana Vyadhi...... 

Saint Manikkavachagar describes his State after Sivanubhuti (Tirupadai Atchi, The Rule of Siva's Holy Army), in Tiruvachakam:

கண்களிரண்டும் அவன்கழல் கண்டு களிப்பன ஆகாதே
காரிகை யார்கள்தம் வாழ்விலென் வாழ்வு கடைப்படும் ஆகாதே
மண்களில் வந்து பிறந்திடு மாறி மறந்திடும் ஆகாதே
மாலறி யாமலர்ப் பாதம் இரண்டும் வணங்குதும் ஆகாதே
பண்களி கூர்தரு பாடலொ டாடல் பயின்றிடும் ஆகாதே
பாண்டிநன்னாடுடை யான்படை யாட்சிகள் பாடுதும் ஆகாதே
விண்களி கூர்வதோர் வேதகம் வந்துவெளிப்படும் ஆகாதே
மீன்வலை வீசிய கானவன் வந்து வெளிப்படும் ஆயிடிலே. 635

ஒன்றினொ டொன்றுமோ ரைந்தினொ டைந்தும் உயிர்ப்பது மாகாதே
கன்றை நினைந்தெழு தாயென வந்த கணக்கது வாகாதே
காரணமாகும் அனாதி குணங்கள் கருத்தறு மாகாதே
நன்றிது தீதென வந்த நடுக்கம் நடந்தன வாகாதே
நாமுமெ லாமடி யாருட னேசெல நண்ணினு மாகாதே
என்றுமென் அன்பு நிறைந்த பராவமு தெய்துவ தாகாதே
ஏறுடை யான்எனை ஆளுடை நாயகன் என்னுள் புகுந்திடிலே. 636


I am no longer able to relish His anklet wearing Feet!
(How can I, after becoming One with Him?)

I am not able to enjoy the company of women and degenerate my life!
(How can I? Where is the 'other'? Where are other women? All are the Self!)

I am not willing to be born again in this earth to pray and dance before Siva!
(How can I? I have already attained Him.  Where is the question of being born again,
and pray to His Feet? We are One and the only one without a second!)

I am not able to pray to His feet which are unfathomed by Vishnu!
(How can I? Where is Vishnu? Where are Siva's Feet. All have become One.
We are now the Only One without a second!)

I am not able to pray with songs and dance!
(How to sing> How to dance? Where are 'others'. I and Siva have now become One!)

I am not able to praise the kingdom of Pandya and His rule and army!
(How can I when I and Siva have become One. Where is Pandya or his kingdom and his army?)

I am not able to relish the Pure Space, where Siva danced among clouds!
(How can I, how can Siva appear 'separately' in the Space to dance?)

Yes. Siva has become One with me. That fellow the fisherman, has caught me in
his net!     

The twelve types of emotions do not come to me and disturb me!
There is no more saying, I am your devotee, devotee's devotee!
I am not able to cry like the Mother Cow in search of its Calf!
I am not afflicted by any ancient gunas including ego.

All are gone. I am One with Siva.

Arunachala Siva.

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Re: my musings
« Reply #18 on: September 20, 2012, 09:12:37 PM »
Dear Nagaraj,

Saint Manikkavachagar describes his state of bliss upon attainment of the Goal:

நன்றிது தீதென வந்த நடுக்கம் நடந்தன வாகாதே
நாமுமெ லாமடி யாருட னேசெல நண்ணினு மாகாதே
என்றுமென் அன்பு நிறைந்த பராவமு தெய்துவ தாகாதே
ஏறுடை யான்எனை ஆளுடை நாயகன் என்னுள் புகுந்திடிலே. 636


I am no longer considering that this is good and that is bad, and thus getting delusion.
I am not quite eager to go behind the old devotees
On all days, I am  not rejoicing my divine love for Him
And becoming filled with overflowing torrents of love!
Why? Why? Why?
Because, that great Lord with bull as His vehicle has gone into my Heart and filled it fully!     


Arunachala Siva.

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« Reply #19 on: September 21, 2012, 08:29:38 AM »
Dear Sir,

Wonderful expressions! what can be responded back to such ecstatic out-pours of Manickavachakar

Some expressions of Jnaneshwar:

If it be said
That there was then no need
To begin to write such a work as this,
I would have to reply that
We are describing what is already self-evident
Only out of love for it.


What can we offer ourselves
In the form of exposition?

Even the ten Upanishads
Cannot approach this silent speech;
There, the intellect becomes
Absorbed in itself.

Jnanadeva says,
“This is the sweet Nectar
Of Mystical Experience.
Even those who are liberated
Should have a drink of it.”

Jnanadeva says,
“May everyone in the universe
Enjoy this feast of
The Nectar of Mystical Experience.”

॥ शांतमात्मनि तिष्ट ॥
Remain quietly in the Self.
~ Vasishta

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obilerating thoughts
« Reply #20 on: September 21, 2012, 08:59:48 AM »
thoughts are like sparks of fire, inflamed and flying all around one. Taking the full pot of water in the form of the remembrance of the Name of the Lord, put out the fire-like thoughts.

the thought of the Name of the Lord is the [true] thought. All other thoughts are of no use. Whatever one thinks about without the Name, those are all of the death-noose of “kal” (time of death)

Even in the path of Enquiry, may get lost in some nitty gritties of Enquiry, and may get lost in intellect plane. So in those moments, when one is unable to abide steadfast in the true meditation of Self and when one is unable to truly stay with the source of 'I' chanting, remembering the name of Lord is best alternative, that serves the same purpose.

(Kabir)

॥ शांतमात्मनि तिष्ट ॥
Remain quietly in the Self.
~ Vasishta

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« Reply #21 on: September 21, 2012, 12:42:57 PM »
Dear Nagaraj,

This is what is also recommended by Sri Bhagavan: Instead of suffering in a jungle of thoughts, have one thought, that would
drive  away all the other unwanted thoughts. The purpose of mantra japa is only for this. If you constantly do mantra japa on
a God., in due course, the mantra (without associating with name and form) would alone remain with you, as natural as breathing.

Arunachala Siva.

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Sun-Moon-Chit
« Reply #22 on: September 22, 2012, 04:49:14 PM »


Sun's light falls on the Moon, and we say, moon thinks it is Self. Infact it is the Light that imagines that it is moon. but actually it is just light.

When one realises that one is the Light and not the moon, does that light have to annihilate itself? to realise Brahman? or does the light that falls on the moon, go back to its source Sun? is the light already not separate from itself Sun.

To also say that Light comes from Sun is min interpretation. Light is itself the Self, Sun.

Light is Brahman, Prajna, Atma

You are neither the Sun nor the Moon, you are the Light - Prajna, Brahman, Atma

When the Light identifies itself as the moon (body) then the same intellect is ego, upon ceasing from identifying with moon (body), it is Self. Annihilation of ego is merely the discernment that you are not the moon (body) what remains is shuddha Chaitanya.


« Last Edit: September 22, 2012, 05:22:51 PM by Nagaraj »
॥ शांतमात्मनि तिष्ट ॥
Remain quietly in the Self.
~ Vasishta

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« Reply #23 on: September 22, 2012, 05:00:42 PM »
Another illustration occurred here



When there is Solar eclipse, how is one able to say so? is it not again through the light of Sun itself? in the same way, Intellect is able to discern all these through its Self. Intellect is fully powered by itself, Jyothi Chaitanya.

is it right? therefore to say, Moon is hiding the Sun? it is Sun itself that is saying moon is hiding Self.

What is Sun, Sun is Light. Light again, is Prajna, Brahman Atma.

being the Chaitanya - Pure Light, identified with the Moon, we say, i am ignorant, ego has to die, but, if it is discerned that one is that Chaitanya. there will result no confusion.

« Last Edit: September 22, 2012, 05:07:09 PM by Nagaraj »
॥ शांतमात्मनि तिष्ट ॥
Remain quietly in the Self.
~ Vasishta

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« Reply #24 on: September 22, 2012, 05:31:53 PM »
Dear Nagaraj,

The following verse comes under AruL Pathu of Manikkavachagavar.  This was composed in Tiruperundurai.
And the subtitle given for the work is - Maha Maya Suddhi. When the mind is purified , when Maya had withdrawn
her sports, the Sadhaka has been able to experience the Jyoti - i,e Atma Jyoti, the Light of Chaitanya within.
 

சோதியே சுடரே சூழொளி விளக்கே
சுரிசூழற் பணைமுலை மடந்தை
பாதியே பரனே பால்கொள்வெண்ணீற்றாய்
பங்கயத் தயனுமா லறியா
நீதியே செல்வத் திருப்பெருந்துறையில்
நிறைமலர்க் குருந்தமே வியசீர்
ஆதியே அடியேன் ஆதரித் தழைத்தால்
அதெந்துவே என் றரு ளாயே. 458


Arunachala Siva.

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« Reply #25 on: September 22, 2012, 07:01:30 PM »
Dear Nagaraj,

Even devas of heavens have to come down to the earth, once their punyas get exhausted. Wereas,
in the earth, I pray to Siva  and attain the Chaitanya Jyothi within my heart, thus canceling all future births
and deaths including lives as gods in heavens.

See  this Truutellenam verse in Tiruvhachakam:

அவமாய தேவர் அவகதியில் அழுந்தாமே
பவமாயங் காத்தென்னை ஆண்டுகொண்ட பரஞ்சோதி
நவமாய செஞ்சுடர் நல்குதலும் நாம்ஒழிந்து
சிவமான வாபாடித் தெள்ளேணங் கொட்டாமோ. 238


Let us pray top that Siva who has given us the Param Jyoti in our heart so that we may not live even as gods
in heavens an come back to earth after the punyas are exhausted.
Let us all play tiruthelleam, thus glorifying His abundant Grace!

Arunachala Siva.

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« Reply #26 on: September 22, 2012, 07:06:01 PM »
Dear Sir,

Purity of mind is attainment of Clarity - தெளிவு Thelivu

That discernment which does not give rise to any doubts, is the purification, bathing in the Ganges.

when this clarity is discerned, even when there is Maya, it will not shake the 'Chaitanya' like how Janaka was not shaken when he saw his entire kingdom destroyed by fire. The Moon (body) and Chaitanya, when discerned as the Self, then, even when big meteorites or moon quakes hit the moon, the Light is not affected, like wise, what what happens in the body, will never bother such a chaitanya.

That clarity, which results is no fear, doubts, aversions, joy, judgement, and that because of which, everything is at poise, samatva, unperturbed, that wisdom is cleansing. Discernment of that wisdom is the annihilation of ego.

Upon that discernment, ego, has no place to stand, it is annihilated altogether, and, the annihilation is more, just an inference, there is really no annihilation, as it was itself that danced as the ego, and has now ceased to be.

When such a clarity has dawned, there is no way one can be under the sway of the mind/ego any more. What ever such a one does, does so as a Leela - Divine play.

« Last Edit: September 22, 2012, 07:09:25 PM by Nagaraj »
॥ शांतमात्मनि तिष्ट ॥
Remain quietly in the Self.
~ Vasishta

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« Reply #27 on: September 22, 2012, 07:20:00 PM »
Dear Nagaraj,

Yes. I agree with you. Unless ego is extinguished along with Maya and Karma, it is impossible to attain
the Experience. But in rare cases, Siva Himself does these snapping out of His abundant Grace.  Thus
Grace becomes of paramount importance than all of our efforts. Manikkavachagar sings this in Acho
Padigam, Verse 1:   

முத்திநெறி அறியாத மூர்க்கரொடு முயல்வேனைப்
பத்திநெறி அறிவித்துப் பழவினைகள் பாறும்வண்ணம்
சித்தமலம் அறுவித்துச் சிவமாக்கி எனைஆண்ட
அத்தனெனக் கருளியவா றார்பெறுவார் அச்சோவே. 650


He says (as a pageant) that he was moving with lowly fellows who did not know anything about moksha etc., But Siva
came on His own and taught him bhakti marga  snapped all the impurities and made him experience Siva Jnana!

Arunachala Siva.   

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Re: my musings
« Reply #28 on: September 22, 2012, 07:28:12 PM »
Dear Nagaraj, You used the perfect symbolism in your previous posts. Beautiful! Yes,the light 'Imagine' to be the moon. It indentifies itself with body,and in that way make individuality,when there is non. So,how can any annhiliation occur after that,when the light see what exactly it is not. Only annhiliation is annhliation of the wrong understanding,and in same way,of individuality. Like one wise man said me once,The one who is searching,is the one who is sought for.

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« Reply #29 on: September 22, 2012, 07:36:36 PM »
Dear Sir,

All that is required is little bit, minuscule, genuine desire to see, or, attain God. Which is why He has give out various ways, through which we may desire Him or That.

A Shakti Upasaka may worship him as a child (Bala) as Mother, as even vamachara path as well, A Vaishnava woprships him as the Dhata, father, Supreme God, A Shaiva worships him as Jnana Jyoti, Tatva aaradhana, smartas worship all of them together, some worship as wisdom.

We just have to desire Him or That. That is the only eligibility, and we have to really really desire. Then as you have said, Siva Himself does these snapping out of His abundant Grace, by any way, he wills, in weirdest of ways!

॥ शांतमात्मनि तिष्ट ॥
Remain quietly in the Self.
~ Vasishta