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Re: Thought of urges while meditating.
« Reply #30 on: September 28, 2012, 01:52:17 PM »
Dear Tushnim and others,

Sanjaya Ganesh has beautifully explained.

The whole thing is a pageant. Now what is the distance between you and your Self?

Sri Bhagavan says the Self is the nearest thing. For seekers, it is just on the right side of the chest. Now
if you are ignorant, worldly, ever immersed in the thought "I am the body" (using Garnier, Fair and Lovely,
Loreal, Axe, etc., etc., ) then the Self is a million miles away from you. And you can reach It only perhaps
in  the next births.

But all have to reach it at some time or other. It is like rivers joining the ocean The journey may be long for some rivers,
for some other rivers, it may be short.  It all depends on the load of the carry bag of karmas that you have on your back.

(See here the last verse of Arunachala Ashtakam.)

Arunachala Siva.   

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« Reply #31 on: September 28, 2012, 02:20:27 PM »
Because in waking and dream states, your mind is not immersed in thoughtless state of abandon. Except in deep sleep,
where the mind is almost forced to remain in suspended animation, in other states, your mind is cluttered with thoughts.

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« Reply #32 on: September 28, 2012, 02:29:21 PM »
Dear Tushnim,

Because you are the mind, thoughts do come. Thoughts are the gross form of mind.

Arunachala Siva. 

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« Reply #33 on: September 28, 2012, 02:32:52 PM »
Dear Tushnim,

Due to divine nature, at least in deep sleep, it is destined to have mind in suspended animation. Otherwise, with thoughts
dancing its gory dance in deep sleep, one would go mad. It is a divine will.

Arunachala Sva. 

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« Reply #34 on: September 28, 2012, 02:59:42 PM »
Dear Tushnim

All are true. These represent several stages of evolution to Self realization.

Arunachala Siva.

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« Reply #35 on: September 28, 2012, 04:00:36 PM »
Dear Tushnim,

One can be without mind only when it is killed. At that level, you can be without mind. It is called dead mind state as per Muruganar.

Arunachala Siva.

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« Reply #36 on: September 28, 2012, 04:08:04 PM »
Dear Tushnim,

This is Annamalai Swami's views. Because he had said: Ignore the thoughts. Let the mind remain.

But Sri Bhagavan has clearly said: Mind has to be killed. Even a single thought will give a rebirth.

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« Reply #37 on: September 28, 2012, 04:16:01 PM »
Dear Tushnim,

Annamalai Swami had  a different approach. That is all.

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« Reply #38 on: September 28, 2012, 04:21:17 PM »
Dear Tushnim,

There are two types of thoughts. Bandha hetu - that which creates bondage. Bhoga hetu - that which gives you happiness.
simple desires like eating, drinking water etc., are only bhoga hetu. They do not create bondage.

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« Reply #39 on: September 28, 2012, 04:22:22 PM »
Good question Tushnim garu.

I dont agree with Subramanian garu that mind has to be killed.

Sri Krishna clearly says in bhagavad gita that mind should be controlled.

Bg Gita Ch6 Text35

The Blessed Lord said: O mighty-armed son of Kunti, it is undoubtedly very difficult to curb the restless mind, but it is possible by constant practice and by detachment.

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« Reply #40 on: September 28, 2012, 04:26:24 PM »
Dear Tushnim,

Yes, Bhoga hetu desires and thoughts may be there.

Arunachala Siva.

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« Reply #41 on: September 28, 2012, 04:28:51 PM »
Dear Tushnim,

Yes.

No more questions for today. Already an overdose.

Arunachala Siva.

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« Reply #42 on: September 28, 2012, 07:02:39 PM »
Dear Tushnim garu,

I am not overloaded so you may continue your questions to me :-)

Yes i agree mano-nasha should mean only removal of binding thoughts.

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« Reply #43 on: September 28, 2012, 07:06:03 PM »
moreover if i am not mind who is then overloaded?  :)

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Re: Thought of urges while meditating.
« Reply #44 on: September 28, 2012, 09:10:09 PM »
Can desires exist without thoughts? If thought is without desire should we consider it thought? So isn't dead mind just that - thoughts without desires? Thoughts create karma. Actions are because of the thoughts. But Lord Krishna says that action without desire for the fruits does not create karma. So such kind of thoughts and actions are not practically thoughts. But what are they then? If there is someone who to ask this question then surrender and akarma are not there. So how would we know what dead mind actually is?
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