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Jyoti

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« on: July 11, 2012, 08:16:05 PM »
Is the intellect part of the ego and is it destroyed when the ego is destroyed?

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Re: Intellect
« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2012, 08:22:53 PM »
Dear Jyoti,

Mind has four parts, mind, intellect (buddhi), ahankaram (ego) and chittam, mind-stuff.
All get destroyed when the mind is destroyed when it becomes quiescent in the Self.
Then how Jnani who has destroyed the mind, can function in the world? Muruganar says:
All the functions are directed by the Self from within.

It is only the Self which had directed Jivan Muktas like Sri Bhagavan and Sri Sankara to give out
teachings, write beautiful poetry and also converse with others.




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Re: Intellect
« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2012, 03:11:31 PM »
So when a Jnani would work as a professor of mathematics, not his intellect but the self would solve the equations?

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« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2012, 04:05:54 PM »
Dear Jyoti,

Yes. Very much yes. When Swami Siddheswaranada was discussing Theory of Relativity with Sri Bhagavan, Sri Bhagavan
clarified many things that the Swami was aghast, at His knowledge.

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Re: Intellect
« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2012, 05:00:36 PM »
Can I read this dialogue anywhere?

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« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2012, 05:33:58 PM »
Dear Jyoti,

Yes.  It is available in one of the volumes of 8-volume book titled Arunachala's Ramana - Boundless Ocean of Grace.
Soon, I shall let you know which volume it is.

Arunachala Siva.

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Re: Intellect
« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2012, 08:43:50 AM »

I am reminded of a couple of incidents that Nochur Venkataraman-ji mentioned in of his lectures. Pardon me if I am not being accurate.. just writing out of memory. 

After the Kurukshetra war, when Krishna and Arjuna were going on a walk, Arjuna asks Krishna to repeat the Geetha since he didn't understand all of it the first time. To which, Krishna answers that he said the Geetha when he was in a Yogic state and it was not possible to repeat it when he was in the role of a king, etc. This indicates that Krishna did not teach the Geetha using his gross intellect.

Nochur-ji also said that Tagore wrote most of the Gitanjali when he was in some kind of a trance. Later, when he was in a "normal" state, he found it extremely difficult to even correct/edit the original work.

There are many similar incidents people say about Mahaperiyava.

Even for us, aren't there moments when we seem to be acting beyond the brain? We call it intuition/instinct, etc, but could this be what gnanis have all the time?

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Re: Intellect
« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2012, 01:23:28 PM »
Dear deepa,

According to Sri Bhagavan, 'mind, ego, intellect are all different names for one single organ, antahkarana. The mind is only
aggregate of thoughts.  Thoughts cannot exist without ego. So all thoughts are pervaded by ego - aham.

Arjuna did not forget Gita. It was from the Heart of Krishna to his Heart. In fact, Heart is only one if you take it as
Consciousness. At the time of war, it was necessary for Arjuna to have that teachings. But he later did not remember
it, because he was TRYING TO REMEMBER WITH HIS MIND. When Krishna left his body, then Arjuna understood the
Atma Jnana that was in Heart. Till that time, the kAla rupam (body form) of Krishna was hiding it for Arjuna.

Regarding writings of Gitanjali in a state of trance by Tagore, such 'states' do occur due to bhavana.  In their intense
state of bhava bhakti, the Saiva Saints had vision of Siva.

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Re: Intellect
« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2012, 12:21:14 PM »
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How can Self which is changeless solve equations ?
its only the mind that solves equations.

Dear Tushnim - Is Mind different from Self? What is Advaitha then :) ? If Mind and Self are two different things - we are talking about Dvaitha then :)
Salutations to Bhagawan

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Re: Intellect
« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2012, 01:47:41 PM »
Dear Tushnim.

This famous Sri Sankara quote has no mention about mind;

Brahman (Self) is Satyam
Jagat (world) Mithya (seemingly real or unreal)
Jagat Brahman.

Here, Brahman is eternal truth. The world appears as true and also untrue.
But Jagat (wodld) is Brahman!

How? When  a person attains Atma Jnana, he will find every aspect of world as the Self.

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Re: Intellect
« Reply #10 on: October 01, 2012, 02:11:38 PM »
Dear Tushnim.

I agree that Brahman is changeless. When attaining Brahma Jnana, one sees the world also as forms of the Self.
Even here, the world does not stop from changing. But Brahma Jnani sees them, its aspects, as Self.

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Re: Intellect
« Reply #11 on: October 01, 2012, 02:19:50 PM »
Dear Tushnim,

Yes.

Arunachala Siva.