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Nagaraj

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Re: Can TAT TVAM ASI Be Understood Intellectually ?
« Reply #15 on: April 19, 2012, 06:19:37 PM »
Dear i,

 :)

Such talk as this Is like discussing the harvest in storage Before the seeds have been sown.

Pure Consciousness is beyond Both generalizations and particular statements; It remains ever content in Itself.

After such a discourse, That speech is wise Which drinks deeply of silence.

It can be seen That the various methods of proof Have accepted their own unprovability; And analogies have solemnly declared Their inability to represent the Reality.

The various arguments have dissolved themselves Because of their own invalidity, And the assembly of definitions has dispersed.

All of the various means, Having proved futile, have departed; And the experience itself Has abandoned its object.

Thought, along with its intent, Has died, Like a courageous warrior In the cause of his master;

And understanding, Ashamed of its own mode of knowing, Has committed suicide. The experience−abandoned to itself alone−Is like one beaten and crippled in battle.

When the crust Of a piece of talc is peeled off, The talk itself disappears.

If a plantain tree, troubled by the heat, Casts off its outer layers, How shall it stand erect?

Experience depends on the existence Of the experienced and the experiencer. When both of these vanish, Can the experience alone experience itself?

Of what use are words When even the experience Dissolves itself in this way?

How can words describe the supreme Reality Where even the subtlest speech itself disappears, And there is left no trace of sound?

Truly, there is neither bondage nor freedom; There is nothing to be accomplished. There is only the pleasure of expounding.

(Jnaneshwar)

Salutations to Bhagavan
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॥ शांतमात्मनि तिष्ट ॥
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Re: Can TAT TVAM ASI Be Understood Intellectually ?
« Reply #16 on: April 19, 2012, 06:21:51 PM »

Dear Nagaraj,

So also says Gaudapada: there is no mukti, there is no mukta; there is no bondage; there is no bandha. All are Sivam.
Even Jiva is a kalpitam.

Arunachala Siva. 

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Re: Can TAT TVAM ASI Be Understood Intellectually ?
« Reply #17 on: April 19, 2012, 06:43:54 PM »
Dear srkudai,

Kindly read the book Tat tvam asi by Paul Y.F. Loke who studied under the Pandits who worked in Kanchi Math for 7 years. Sri
Chandrasekhara Saraswati Swami has given him doctorate for this book through his Viswa Maha Vidyalaya, Enathuoor, a deemed
University.

Arunachala Siva. 

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Re: Can TAT TVAM ASI Be Understood Intellectually ?
« Reply #18 on: April 19, 2012, 07:07:30 PM »
udai,
 :)
The Mother has already given herself to us. only we seek something else.
That i do not need anything else can be understood through reasoning. That Mother is already tehre with me should be got through reasoning. Coz mother is already presenting herself to us. she is here. now. only we reject that coz we want some form to appear. we want some image ... someone sitting on lion should appear. that kind of exotic preconditions are there. these can be eliminated by reasoning ! and one remains as That


Who is the 'we' you are deferring to? :)
Namaskar.

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Re: Can TAT TVAM ASI Be Understood Intellectually ?
« Reply #19 on: April 19, 2012, 07:09:45 PM »
Dear i,

:) allow yourself to be, no need to judge yourself :)

this too shall pass...

what is there about agreeing, disagreeing, both are nothing...

There is no gaining or losing for the self by our agreeing or disagreeing. The Self is neither hidden by our ignorance or gets revealed by our knowledge. Neither the agree-er, nor the disagree-er gain anything out of their agreeing or disagreeing.

My only observation is the one who is discerning all these, That ought to be inquired, and, not its discernment, that needs to be looked in to.

The 'i' which raises its objections, or its consent, itself alone needs to be meditated, and not its consents or objections, not what it sees, by way of discernment, not what it approves or disapproves. The discernment may be very beautiful, but it is nothing.

The Cow, drops its dung, which is of great use, full of manure and minerals, but of what use is it for the cow itself?

:)

Salutations to Bhagavan
॥ शांतमात्मनि तिष्ट ॥
Remain quietly in the Self.
~ Vasishta

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Re: Can TAT TVAM ASI Be Understood Intellectually ?
« Reply #20 on: April 19, 2012, 07:26:27 PM »
       :) The self does not inquire either ;)

so, who is it that inquires? what does it got to inquire? his inquiry is like this -

A knife may be able to pierce Anything in the four quarters; But can that knife pierce itself?

The tip of the tongue is very good For tasting different herbs and seasonings; But can it taste itself?

Knowledge could know itself If a mirror could reflect itself To itself

Being Knowledge itself, He does not know how to know Himself. It is as hard as it would be For the eye to perceive itself.

It is certain that eyesight Cannot perceive itself, That taste cannot taste itself, That a person who is awake

Is it possible, even for the Creator, To stand before Himself without a mirror?

If Shiva is angry, He may burn the three worlds; But will he burn fire also?

he has to give up...

this is what jnaneshwar says -

Thought, along with its intent, Has died, Like a courageous warrior In the cause of his master;

And understanding, Ashamed of its own mode of knowing, Has committed suicide. The experience−abandoned to itself alone−Is like one beaten and crippled in battle.

all Sadhana is all about working out our பிடிவாதம் (pidivaadam - persistence, obstinacy) we, children will have to give up our persistence, obstinacy. Sadhana is not gain some knowledge or attain some thing. Sadhana is to give up. Understanding is giving up. Its like giving up straightening the dogs tail!

Repose :)

Salutations to Bhagavan
॥ शांतमात्मनि तिष्ट ॥
Remain quietly in the Self.
~ Vasishta