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srkudai

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The body does not have a demand !
« on: April 16, 2012, 06:15:18 PM »
Deho na janati ... The body does not have a demand.
Suppose somone is cutting my hand with a knife.
The sensations are passed to the mind.
The body itself does not demand ... does not reject or fight.
thats why when we are put on anaesthesia ... the mind is asleep,
the body does not fight even when someone cuts the hand.

Even if someone kicks ... no response. Coz body does not know.
Deho na janati.

This is atonce true for all of us... no Realization is required.
Only mind fights ;) body does not fight with naything in creation.

Ravi.N

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Re: The body does not have a demand !
« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2012, 07:42:19 PM »
udai,

"The body does not have a demand"

Who demands food?Mind or body?Who does the digestion?Mind or Body? :)

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Re: The body does not have a demand !
« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2012, 09:57:26 PM »
udai/Friends,

Suppose somone is cutting my hand with a knife.
The sensations are passed to the mind.
The body itself does not demand ... does not reject or fight.
thats why when we are put on anaesthesia ... the mind is asleep.


We have what is called Local anaesthesia,say for a Tooth extraction.(Thinking of our friend Ramana and his Dentist!) :)
The mind is quite aware and awake.Why does it not do anything?Simply because it did not get the input from that part of the Body.The Demand thus originates in the Body.
It is clear that the Body does have an intelligence on its own and conveys that intelligence to the mind,which may or may not attend to it.
How is it that when the person is asleep and is not even aware of the Body,one changes the sleeping position or swats a mosquito that stings it?
All this is done by something called Life(prAna) that animates this body.The Conscious mind is only a manifestation of this subtle Life energy.
Much of the mind is subconscious and manifests as instinct-and this instinct is part and parcel of the Living Body.

you say-The body itself does not demand ... does not reject or fight
How come then organ transplants come croppers?Does the mind reject the Transplanted Organ or the Body? :)

Looks like a oversimplified vedanta concept to me :)

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sanjaya_ganesh

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Re: The body does not have a demand !
« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2012, 11:20:28 AM »
My humble opinion is that this will be a futile discussion :). THere is only one supreme intellligence. Whether it is here at place X or at place Y is only a brain excercise. If you find that body has intellligence, yes - it is that one and only supreme one flowing thru it. In the drama created by Maya, anything is possible. Is not mind, brain, cell, body everything one and the same - that supreme Brahman "shown to us" as plurality by Maya? Is it that difficult for Maya to "show off" its intelligence in anything it chooses to? My humble thoughts.
Salutations to Bhagawan

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Re: The body does not have a demand !
« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2012, 11:41:20 AM »
Sanjaya/udai/friends,
 :)

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Re: The body does not have a demand !
« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2012, 11:47:29 AM »
Dear Udai sir

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Brahman is supposed to be changeless. Mind, Body, Cells etc are changing. So obviously they are not Brahman. What is meant by the statement "All this is Brahman" is to say that all these are like a snake imagiend on a rope. There is only Rope. Meaning all these are like simply Brahman, the cells, mind, body etc are not there : they are merely "Brahma" as Ribhu Gita puts it.
Hence, the statement mind, brain, etc are Brahman is incorrect if one is talking about them as changing entitites.


I think we are saying same thing :). Is not the snake seen in rope, rope itself? It is the "power of rope" to "show itself" as snake that is manifesting. Similarly, Mind, brain, cells etc are nothing but Brahman itself as long as you see them :) and its power called "Maya" to "show itself" as all of those. In the same rope-snake example, is there anything else other than rope? No. But are you seeing snake? Yes. Same way with Brahman manifesting through its own Maya power. :)
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sanjaya_ganesh

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Re: The body does not have a demand !
« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2012, 11:55:58 AM »
 :)
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ramana_maharshi

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Re: The body does not have a demand !
« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2012, 12:07:38 PM »
I agree with udai garu that mind is not really in brain.

Once ganapati muni and bhagavan had similiar discussion reagrding this.

http://www.arunachala-ramana.org/forum/index.php?topic=5162.msg14344#msg14344

sanjaya_ganesh

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Re: The body does not have a demand !
« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2012, 01:07:29 PM »
Good perspective for me. Thanks. Udai sir - Does it also mean the subtler can control the grosser? So in pancha kosa theory, Prana controls Annamaya. Manomaya controls both of them and so on? It does make sense though in reality.
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Re: The body does not have a demand !
« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2012, 01:33:31 PM »
Dear sanjaya_ganesh,

The pancha koshas are not there one inside the other. They are all integrated. It is like a colourful scented handkerchief.
The hand kerchief has got a color, it has got a texture, it has got a size, it has got threads interwoven and it has got scent.
So are the pancha koshas.

Arunachala Siva.