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Nagaraj

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This moment
« on: April 09, 2012, 12:27:32 PM »
Dear self,

The self is as ordinary as, ordinary can get. The sheer simplicity of it is baffling.

How to pass this moment? this moment seems like eternity to me. I do not know how to pass this moment now. I move from one point to another in an effort to some how pass of this moment.

The sheer simplicity of Summa Iruthal (just being) is most baffling! What is it really to be summa iruthal?

Even now, I am just trying to pass of this moment by writing, simultaneoiusly striving to discern the truth of the moment. Instead of passing off the moment in any other un wanted things, I am trying to channelise my wavering energy here, by these expressions. Each word being mentioned here is quite challenging, as, it is, as if, I am bringing all energies from all corners in order to pass this moment, now, by these very words. I realise this way is only transient, it can't be repeated to eternity. I realise a need to realise a way by which i could pass of the moment without really passing the moment.

What else I could think about? I could think about some sadhanas, like, I could do some nama japam, i could contemplate on the self, i could write some articles in my blog, i could respond or open a new post in some forums that i participate, i could call somebody and speak to them, i could look at the leaves and admire the sheer beauty of the nature, the birds, the trees, the feel of the breeze, the touch of the water, the breath of the air, the smell of divinity, the feel of hot or cold, do something, browse internet, read worldly articles, watch movie, watch news, watch sports, play sports,....... but for how long? why are we unable to pass of this moment? i look at the sky in between the trees and wonder without any answers.

by this time, when I exercise my energies carefully in channelising and with these discernments, i am engulfed with tremendous peace, I am at peace now, but still, this doesn't pass of the moment, the moment is still unfilled, the moment is a bottomless pit. Peace comes at giving up!

I send this flower to the universe...
॥ शांतमात्मनि तिष्ट ॥
Remain quietly in the Self.
~ Vasishta

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Re: This moment
« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2012, 04:03:15 PM »

Thank you very much.

I laughed out loud yesterday of  Dr Adalja,  on his first visit to Bhagavan, asking a question by chit which was responded to by an attendant showing him a verse from Ulladu Narpadu which  firmly stated there were not two Selves.

A whole year later he was coming down Arunachala and seeing Bhagavan coming up the narrow path,  stepped aside and stood with closed eyes and folded hands. " When Bhagavan came near me, to my utter surprise, he asked "Do you still find two ?"

I found this very funny - and I was very peaceful afterwards.

On another occasion  he asked Bhagavan  " If waking and dream states are not different, can a man realise his Self in the dream state?" Bhagavan replied " First realise the Self in the waking state and then raise the question".

Something tells me this might be Bhagavan's contribution to some of our questions here.

Jesus could also be funny  - " You moralisers.  First take the log out of your own eye and then you will be able to see clearly  (literally "to see through") to remove the speck from your brother's eye."

A log, you know  !



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Re: This moment
« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2012, 04:15:00 PM »
Dear Nagaraj, cefnbrigthdir,

Sri Bhagavan used to say on some occasions, that THIS MOMENT ALONE IS THE TRUTH.  Self Realization should be attained
here and now, instantenously. Perhaps preparations may take a long or a short time, but Realization is always instantaneous.

This Moment - is a beautiful thing. The Mind can never catch this moment. By the time you try to catch this moment, it becomes
past. Mind has no entry into the 'this moment.' It always dwells on the regrets of the past and anxieties of the future. When
a person knows to enjoy this moment and when this moment becomes every moment, he is Self Realized.

Knowing or unknowingly T.S. Eliot says in one of his poems,

Time Past and Time Future
Are the Present Time.
Hurry up, please it is time,
Hurry up, please it is time!

Again in another poem he says:

I shall not cease from exploration
And the end of all exploring
Is to arrive at where we started
To know the place for the first time.


Arunachala Siva.       

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« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2012, 05:24:45 PM »
Your second Eliot passage is from the ending of Little Gidding. Though Eliot  lived till 1965, it  was first written in 1941/2 whilst air raids were happening over London. He never wrote another poem - perhaps because he felt he had said it all.

Little Gidding was the first contemplative Anglican community set up in the 1620's in a village of that name. George Herbert, a poet priest, with lines such as

"A man that looks on glass
On it may stay his eye
Or if he pleaseth through it pass
And then the heav'n espy"

was a great supporter.

Little Gidding, the poem, is granite -like but marvellous. One of the early lines that made an impact on me was

"And what you thought you came for
 Is only a shell, a husk of meaning,
From which the purpose breaks only when it is  fulfilled,
 If at all. Either you had no purpose, or the purpose is beyond the end you figured
And is altered in fulfilment"

I hope you do not mind me quoting all the ending - which includes your piece - but it seems fitting after Nagaraj's opening. And those brackets - what an aside.


The moment of the rose and the moment of the yew-tree
Are of equal duration. A people without history
Is not redeemed from time, for history is a pattern
Of timeless moments. So, while the light fails
On a winter's afternoon, in a secluded chapel
History is now and England.

With the drawing of this Love and the voice of this
     Calling

We shall not cease from exploration
And the end of all our exploring
Will be to arrive where we started
And know the place for the first time.
Through the unknown, unremembered gate
When the last of earth left to discover
Is that which was the beginning;
At the source of the longest river
The voice of the hidden waterfall
And the children in the apple-tree
Not known, because not looked for
But heard, half-heard, in the stillness
Between two waves of the sea.
Quick now, here, now, always—
A condition of complete simplicity
(Costing not less than everything)
And all shall be well and
All manner of thing shall be well
When the tongues of flame are in-folded
Into the crowned knot of fire
And the fire and the rose are one.









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« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2012, 06:15:39 PM »
Dear cefnbrithdir,

I am happy to see that you are also an admirer of T.S.  Eliot.  His poems were introduced to me by a good friend of mine,
who was an English post graduate.  I was in Bombay that time and it was early 1980s. This friend gave me a list of 6 books
and told me that they would change my life.  1. Eliot's poems. 2. Kafka's Metamorphosis  3. Nietzshe's Thus Spake Zarathustra
4. James Joyce's Ulysses and 5. James Joyce's Finnegans Wake and 6. Colin Wilson's Outsider (not Camus's novel).

These 6 books really changed my outlook in life. When people were reading Harold Robbins and James Hadley Chase and
Henry Miller, he told me to read this. Of all these books, Ulysses alone took 3 months and I understood 25%. Finnegan's Wake
was understood only to an extent of 2%, after reading it for 6 months. 

Eliot's imagery and mix of Indian Philosophy and Western mysticisim.  His four quartets and the Waste Land are my favorites.

See this from Waste Land: V:

If the lost word is lost, if the spent word is spent
If the unheard, unspoken
Word is unspoken, unheard;
Still is the unspoken word, the Word unheard,
The Word without a word, the Word within
The world and for the world;
And the light shone in darkness and
Against the Word the unstilled world still whirled
About the center of the silent Word.

If the unspoken word is taken as Sri Bhagavan's silence, then one may understand that Eliot was also
contemplating about the divine within. If the silent word is Silence of Sri Bhagavan, one can also discern
that Eliot had also an inclination towards Indian philosophy of Upanishads.


Arunachala Siva. 
 

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Re: This moment
« Reply #5 on: April 09, 2012, 07:24:18 PM »
Dear cefnbrithdir, Subramanian Sir,

It took a while to get a grasp of the wonderful words of Eliot, quoted by yourselves.

It is certain, that Eliot was a Seer !

Salutations to Bhagavan
॥ शांतमात्मनि तिष्ट ॥
Remain quietly in the Self.
~ Vasishta

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« Reply #6 on: April 09, 2012, 07:41:11 PM »
Dear i,

on a further reading of TS Elliot, i found this wonderful one, again from 'four quartets' -

At the still point of the turning world. Neither flesh nor fleshless;
Neither from nor towards; at the still point, there the dance is,
But neither arrest nor movement. And do not call it fixity,
Where past and future are gathered. Neither movement from nor towards,
Neither ascent nor decline. Except for the point, the still point,
There would be no dance, and there is only the dance.
I can only say, there we have been: but I cannot say where.
And I cannot say, how long, for that is to place it in time.
The inner freedom from the practical desire,
The release from action and suffering, release from the inner
And the outer compulsion, yet surrounded
By a grace of sense, a white light still and moving,
Erhebung without motion, concentration
Without elimination, both a new world
And the old made explicit, understood
In the completion of its partial ecstasy,
The resolution of its partial horror.
Yet the enchainment of past and future
Woven in the weakness of the changing body,
Protects mankind from heaven and damnation
Which flesh cannot endure.
                                                    Time past and time future
Allow but a little consciousness.
To be conscious is not to be in time
But only in time can the moment in the rose-garden,
The moment in the arbour where the rain beat,
The moment in the draughty church at smokefall
Be remembered; involved with past and future.
Only through time time is conquered.


Salutations to Bhagavan
॥ शांतमात्मनि तिष्ट ॥
Remain quietly in the Self.
~ Vasishta

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« Reply #7 on: April 09, 2012, 07:53:18 PM »
dear i,

This one is from Dry Salvages, where he contemplates on Krishna, simply wonderful -

(It requires, sure, steady, and slow reading. quite deep and profound actually, am still assimilating, as i post here)

I sometimes wonder if that is what Krishna meant-
Among other things - or one way of putting the same thing:
That the future is a faded song, a Royal Rose or a lavender spray
Of wistful regret for those who are not yet here to regret,
Pressed between yellow leaves of a book that has never been opened.
And the way up is the way down, the way forward is the way back.
You cannot face it steadily, but this thing is sure,
That time is no healer: the patient is no longer here.
When the train starts, and the passengers are settled
To fruit, periodicals and business letters
(And those who saw them off have left the platform)
Their faces relax from grief into relief,
To the sleepy rhythm of a hundred hours.
Fare forward, travellers! not escaping from the past
Into different lives, or into any future;
You are not the same people who left that station
Or who will arrive at any terminus,
While the narrowing rails slide together behind you;
Watching the furrow that widens behind you,
You shall not think "the past is finished"
Or "the future is before us".
At nightfall, in the rigging and the aerial,
Is a voice descanting (though not to the ear,
The murmuring shell of time, and not in any language)
"Fare forward, you who think that you are voyaging;
You are not those who saw the harbour
Receding, or those who will disembark.
Here between the hither and the farther shore
While time is withdrawn, consider the future
And the past with an equal mind.
At the moment which is not of action or inaction
You can receive this: 'on whatever sphere of being
The mind of a man may be intent
At the time of death' - that is the one action
(And the time of death is every moment)
Which shall fructify in the lives of others:
And do not think of the fruit of action.
Fare forward.
                        O voyagers, O seamen,
You who came to port, and you whose bodies
Will suffer the trial and judgement of the sea,
Or whatever event, this is your real destination."
So Krishna, as when he admonished Arjuna
On the field of battle.
                                            Not fare well,
But fare forward, voyagers.

Salutations to Bhagavan
॥ शांतमात्मनि तिष्ट ॥
Remain quietly in the Self.
~ Vasishta

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« Reply #8 on: April 09, 2012, 08:28:51 PM »
Dear Nagaraj,

Very nice.

In one of his poems, when the sailors lost their way and their boat was tossing, and when everyone died due to starvation,
thirst and fear, the two remaining sailors were keeping the morale high, that something would help them to be saved.
While there were only two, each one felt that there was a third man beside them!

Who is the third who walks always beside you?
When I count, there are only you and I together
But when I look ahead up the white road
There is always another one walking beside you,
Gliding wrapt in a brown mantle, hooded
I do not know whether a man or a woman
- But who is that on the other side of you>

   - Waste Land IV - DEATH BY WATER.*

* This is an allegory to Amendson's voyage to South Pole, where the hungry and thirsty sailors, felt a person extra with them!

However this reminds me of many devotees who lost their way on the Hill had seen 'Sri Bhagavan' to guide them back to the
Asramam, from the deep forest route.

Arunachala Siva.

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Re: This moment
« Reply #9 on: April 10, 2012, 11:48:52 AM »
Dear Udai, Friends,

I would like to revive this discussion. I would like to stress upon the massiveness of what i shared in my original post here about this moment. Friends, we actually have got lost in the moment, when you realise, when you are awake, you see the massiveness of the moment, and the unending-ness of the moment.

What do we really mean when we say 'Just be' or 'Summa iru'

Salutations to Bhagavan
॥ शांतमात्मनि तिष्ट ॥
Remain quietly in the Self.
~ Vasishta

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« Reply #10 on: April 10, 2012, 12:04:06 PM »
Dear Udai,

Its actually further to that, what is it to be awake? what do you have to do, when you are awake? We have read, that there would be nothing to do, etc... and this is vaguely described as 'just being' or 'summa iruthal' but what do we really mean by this?

There is nothing to do, yet, there is nothing, not to do as well.

Salutations to Bhagavan
॥ शांतमात्मनि तिष्ट ॥
Remain quietly in the Self.
~ Vasishta

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« Reply #11 on: April 10, 2012, 12:06:05 PM »
The Self is nothing to keep looking at, i wonder what Bhagavan was looking at, in the vastness of what is.

॥ शांतमात्मनि तिष्ट ॥
Remain quietly in the Self.
~ Vasishta

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« Reply #12 on: April 10, 2012, 12:20:50 PM »
There is no ending...

'just being' is as unending as the 'moment'
॥ शांतमात्मनि तिष्ट ॥
Remain quietly in the Self.
~ Vasishta

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« Reply #13 on: April 10, 2012, 10:15:36 PM »
Udai/Nagaraj/Friends,

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"so everyone experiences agitation, just be, agitation, just be ...
in life"


The 'Summa Iru' is one free from vikshepa and has nothing to do with the sequence that you have mentioned.

Here is an excerpt where Sri Aurobindo clarifies seemingly related,yet different terms:
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The words “peace, calm, quiet, silence” have each their own
shade of meaning, but it is not easy to define them.
Peace – Shanti.
Calm – SthiratÀ.
Quiet – achanchalatÀ.
Silence – nischala-nirAvata.


Quiet is a condition in which there is no restlessness or
disturbance.
Calm is a still unmoved condition which no disturbance can
affect – it is a less negative condition than quiet.
Peace is a still more positive condition; it carries with it
a sense of settled and harmonious rest and deliverance.
Silence is a state in which either there is no movement of
the mind or vital or else a great stillness which no surface
movement can pierce or alter.
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Quiet is rather negative – it is the absence of disturbance.
Calm is a positive tranquillity which can exist in spite of
superficial disturbances.

Peace is a calm deepened into something that is very positive
amounting almost to a tranquil waveless Ananda.

Silence is the absence of all motion of thought or other
vibration of activity.

We may say that 'Summa Iru' is this supreme state of Silence.It is what Sri Sankara in Bhaja govindam refers to-Satsangathve Nissangathvam,Nissangathve Nirmohathvam,Nirmohatve Nischalatatvam,Nischala Tatve Jivanmukthihi

So what you refer to as the experience of all is this sequence-Quiet-Disturbance-Quiet,etc.This is the standard swing of the mind,what is called Vikshepa.


Namaskar.

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« Reply #14 on: April 11, 2012, 08:31:50 AM »
Dear Sri Ravi,

I am very much in line with your observation, Summa Iruthal or just being is a samadhi sthithi, and the hallmark is to attain sahaja nirvikalpa samadhi.

At themoment, when we all say "summa iru" or "just be" it is only aspiration, and really not yet being that, hence, the massiveness of this moment is felt tremendously, it is ever unending, unlimited.

All creation, observation, ideas, etc... everything happens only to pass of this moment, those are ways, by which, one, currently being unable to pass of this moment, tries to pass of the moment, but in vain!

The energy of this moment is many many nuclear bombs put together. I wonder...

Through this moment, as of now, many many yugas have passed, many janmams, birth have passed, being witnessed many creations, pralayas, and what not? But the moment still is....

Bhagavan, quoted Arunagirinathar, Summa Irunthu Pazhagu - "practice just being"

Salutations to Bhagavan
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॥ शांतमात्मनि तिष्ट ॥
Remain quietly in the Self.
~ Vasishta