Author Topic: Self-surrender and its meaning as revealed by Maha Guru Bhagwan Sri Ramana  (Read 68761 times)

eranilkumarsinha

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In the sovereign Presence where prevails
The stillness of awareness,
And the light supreme of Siva shines
Revealing one’s own inner being,
All comers find their efforts prosper
And ripen into wisdom’s fruit.

Gold and men frequent the Presence
Of him whose Being is Awareness.
Their foolish pride destroyed, their hearts
Made pure by but one glance of grace,
Their faces glow with silent joy
As they depart.
         Sri Muruganar, from the poem ‘Silent Master’s Sovereign Presence’

Dear Devotees,

D: The mind must realise in the Heart.
Sri Bhagwan : Be it so. What is the mind?
D. Mind, Heart are all avatars of Perumal (Vaishnavite term for incarnate God)
Sri Bhagwan : If so no need to worry ourselves.
D: On this basis how can we realise?
Sri Bhagwan : Surrender the mind to Perumal (God). His avatar cannot remain independent of Him. Render unto Him what is His and be happy.
D: How to do so?
Sri Bhagwan: How is the mind known to us? Owing to its activities, namely, thoughts. Whenever thoughts arise remember they are all modes of Perumal and they cannot be otherwise, this is enough; THIS IS THE SURRENDER OF THE MIND. Can anything exist independent of Perumal? All is Perumal alone. He acts through all. Why worry ourselves.
                                                                                                    Talk—600

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  Anil         

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Though the truth is beyond logic, it does not violate logic

Yes - agree much. Logic itself is created to explain the truth. Gravity was first seen by Newton and then he built a logic to explain what he saw. Because of this logic has to be in line with TRUTH.

On another note, there are so many texts and scriptures which try to do that. All realized souls (Sri Bhagawan, Jesus or Budha or whoever) experienced the SAME according to me. But when the limited entity called brain TRIED TO explain it, it all came out differently. It is not their fault - the tools we use to understand what they said are limited. It is like I and you visiting a theme park and writing an essay independently about it. People who read my essay may get a different experience than people who read yours and it will certainly be different from the experience of actually being there and experiencing it. So scriptures are good to start - you cannot know about the existence of the theme park without reading about it somewhere or someone telling you about it. But then you shoudl visit yourself to experience it and in that experience process - books and essays will be meaningless to you.

Salutations to Bhagawan

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Udai sir

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but if i am talking about you!! Where do you have to journey ?

By journey, I dont just mean journey in space. We are all making some journey to "remove" some obstacles and experience what Bhagawan saw - right? So it is not about "where" from the perspective of space and time. I am sure you did not mean that, Udai Ji. But just clarifying. These language and words are funny :). We can use any other word - but I dont think we can claim we have been to the state that Bhagawan was at. That means we are all making a journey  (not in space-time continuum or to a distant place). Perhaps, I am using the word "journey" instead of  "effort" or "sadhana" or something. In any case, something which reveals "I" removing the covers.


Salutations to Bhagawan

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Dear Sri Udai,

Yes. I understand that some knowledge is necessary to start with. They are necessary but only so far as to make one spiritually minded. After all, dear Sri Udai, what is the purpose of the scripture? Sri Bhagwan says that purpose of all descriptions in religions is only to establish the Reality of the Self (Talk—145). However, Sri Bhagwan says that this purpose having been gained, there is no use engaging in studies (Talk—418). Once I inculcate the understanding that the Self is beyond speech and intellect, why should I then project the mind to extensive study. Self-ward pointed books like Sri Bhagwan’s books, in my view, are more than adequate. When one comes to a Sadguru like Bhagwan Sri Ramana, he gets everything that is needed from the Guru Himself.

Yes, as Sri sanjay_ganesh said, practical application is of prime importance.

“…personal touch and personal instructions are the most helpful aids. As for the other, a person may laboriously convince himself of the truth to be intuited, i.e. its functions and nature, but the actual intuition is akin to feeling and requires practice and personal contact. Mere book learning is not of any great use.” (Talk—28)

Besides, dear Sri Udai, excessive intellectual learning may always give rise to pride of learning and desire for appreciation. Sri Bhagwan says that learning leading to search for Truth and humility is good.

There is no limit to polemics. One can argue ad nauseam. But such discussion and arguments, more often than not, remain inconclusive in the end.
As for intellectual understanding of the Mahavakya ‘TAT TVAM ASI’, Sri Bhagwan Himself says:
“They say the mahavakya ‘Tattvamasi’ is common; another containing five words ‘Tat tvam asi ati nijam’ is the most secret one taught by Dakshinamurti in Silence; corresponding to the five words they formulate five states.” (Talk—332)
Dear Sri Udai, I do not think that the true import of the mahavakyas can ever be understood intellectually.
Sri Bhagwan says that those familiar with logic or large works like Vichara Sagara, or Sutra Bhasya etc., cannot relish small works like Truth revealed dealing with the Self and that pointedly too. Sri Bhagwan says, very significantly indeed, that only those whose minds are less muddy , or pure, can relish small and purposeful works.

Moreover:
I AM ATMAN; ATMAN IS THE GURU; AND ATMAN IS GRACE ALSO. NO ONE REMAINS WITHOUT THE ATMAN. HE IS ALWAYS IN CONTACT. NO EXTERNAL TOUCH IS NECESSARY.
                                             Sri Bhagwan (Talk—104)

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Dear Sri Udai,

Yes. Sri Bhagwan says that nothing new is to be gained in Self-Realisation. The Self is here and now. We are the Self. It is not to be got anew. We are already That. Ignorance supervenes and draws a veil over the Pure Bliss. All sadhana is directed only to remove this ignorance. Sri Bhagwan says that this ignorance consists in the false identification of the Self with the body, mind etc. When this false identity goes there remains only the Self. Therefore, ultimately Self-Realisation may be said to be change in outlook or perspective, as you said. “TO BE” is to realise.

Dear Sri Udai, you must understand that Sri Bhagwan has repeatedly emphasised that the text ‘Tat Tvam Asi’ or ‘I AM THAT I AM’ or ‘Aham Brahmasmi’ etc is not meant for thinking ‘I am That’ or ‘I am Brahman’. Aham ‘I’ is known to everyone. Brahman abides as Aham in everyone. ‘I’ is therefore already Brahman. We need not think so. Sri Bhagwan teaches to find the ‘I’ by Enquiry. SRI BHAGWAN TEACHES TO BE THAT ‘I’. IT IS THE DIRECT METHOD.

Dear Sri Udai, I know for certain that you are an intelligent and as good a devotee of the Lord as well as Sri Bhagwan as any other member on the forum. I even love your critical bent of the mind, for it is a great asset which enhances the spirit of enquiry. Having said this, however, I wish to say that I wonder that how can you say that the true import of THAT which is beyond the mind and the intellect, Being Itself, can be understood intellectually by the study of the sacred scripture etc.

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Its beyond mind and yet to be grasped only with mind.

As per Lord Krishna from Chapter 6, it seems it is graspable by brain and not mind - as in line 2 below. Even in Pancha kosa theory, Jnanamaya being more subtle than manomaya, it makes sense.

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sukham atyantikam yat tad
buddhi-grahyam atindriyam
vetti yatra na caivayam
sthitas calati tattvatah
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Dear srkudai,

Sri Bhagavan clarifies the points as follows in Talks NO. 238:

Devotee: What is buddhi? - intellect.

Maharshi: The thinking or discriminating faculty is buddhi.  These are mere names. Be it ego, the mind or buddhi, it is all
the same. Whose mind? Whose buddhi? The ego's. Is the ego real. No. We confound the ego and call it buddhi or mind.

Arunachala Siva.   

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“Its beyond mind and yet to be grasped only with mind.
This is elaborately explained in scriptures itself. Mundaka clearly states its beyond mind and it also states that its obtainable only with a mind and through shabda pramana.”

Dear Sri Udai,

Yes. Sri Bhagwan says in the Spiritual Instruction that Brahman cannot be apprehended by the impure mind or the mind as we know it, but can be apprehended by the pure mind.
“When the indefinable power of Brahman separates itself from Brahman and, in union with the reflection of consciousness assumes various forms, it is called the impure mind. When it becomes free from the reflection of consciousness through discrimination, it is called the pure mind. Its state of union with the Brahman is its apprehension of Brahman. The energy which is accompanied by the reflection of consciousness is called the impure mind and its state of separation from Brahman is its non-apprehension of Brahman.”

We must never forget that Brahman can never be an object to be known.

Sri Bhawan teaches that even the pure mind or the satvic mind is admitted as a concession to argument. ‘Otherwise’, they argue, ‘how does the jivanmukta live and act?’ Sri Bhagwan teaches that the satvic or the pure mind is in fact the Absolute Consciousness. The object to be witnessed and the witness merge together and Absolute Consciousness alone reins supreme.

Besides, we should never forget Sri Bhagwan’s basic teaching with regard to the mind, if the Goal is Self-Awareness.

“It is the nature of the mind to wander. You are not the mind. The mind springs up and sinks down. It is impermanent, transitory, whereas you are eternal. There is nothing but the Self. To inhere in the Self is the thing. NEVER MIND THE MIND. If the source is thought, it will vanish leaving the Self unaffected.” 
                                                                                                             Talk—97

I do not think that there is any ambiguity whatever in the above Teaching regarding mind for those who are inspired and drawn in love and devotion to the Guru whose Name is Bhagwan Sri Ramana.
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“When the indefinable power of Brahman separates itself from Brahman and, in union with the reflection of consciousness assumes various forms, it is called the impure mind

When there is nothing there other than "sarvajna, sarvashakta and sarvavyaptha" Brahman, how can something "separate" from it. There is no place to stand after becoming separate :) - as there is no place where there is no Brahman. So the "separation" itself is a myth called Maya, which is again not separate from Brahman. Just like you can not separate wetness and water (wetness being a power of water itself), you cannot separate Maya and Brahman. But as Bhagawan taught us, you can look through it and experience your true self which is Brahman. So impure mind is also Brahman - muddy water is also water :) - as there cannot be a second thing "separate" from it.

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You are not the mind. The mind springs up and sinks down. It is impermanent, transitory, whereas you are eternal. There is nothing but the Self. To inhere in the Self is the thing. NEVER MIND THE MIND. If the source is thought, it will vanish leaving the Self unaffected.”

Absolutely amazing - yes. No better words to explain this :). Thanks
Salutations to Bhagawan

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Glance of Grace

Let us meditate on Ramana
The Teacher of Reality
Who dwells within my inmost Self
As I, as I,
Bringing in full measure
The joy of silence
Ending the delusive pride
Of a divided self’s self love.

In one unbroken silence let us dwell
On the twin Feet of the Guru
Glorified above all kings
Because his glance of grace revealed
The Hill of bright Awareness
Shining in a world
Troubled by darkness of desire.

Dear devotees, avid for grace,
Our master is an ocean,
Take and hold your fill.
Approach him freely,
Minds and hands wide open,
Drink to your hearts’ content.

Defeated and frustrated, do not reel
Beneath Fate’s blows.
Turn your eyes, your thoughts
Towards those sovereign Feet
Which can transmute a devotee
Into Siva radiant.
                                              Sri Muruganar   

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   Anil

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Dear i,

i was contemplating, Sri Muruganar, would have been is this very 'state' 24 hours a day, 365 days a year, all through his life, since his acquaintance with his beloved Guru Ramanar. When ever i think about Sri Muruganar, it takes me to the depths of some unfathomable intensity.

What a Grace. Truly.

Salutations to Bhagavan
॥ शांतमात्मनि तिष्ट ॥
Remain quietly in the Self.
~ Vasishta

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Dear Sri Nagaraj,

Ah! The great Devotee, Poet and the Sage Sri Muruganar ! When one contemplates on Him, one enters into intensely felt Guru-sishya relationship. His invocation of the Presence of Sri Bhagwan—the images and rhymes He employs in His poetry—as Lord Siva, as Father, Mother, Lover, as Guru, King, Commander, as Beggar, and My Goodness ! even as the Betrayer !—transcends speech and thought. He lived a life of complete self-surrender. One can sense the intensity of His devotion and faith to the Guru by the fact that He always directed devotees who approached Him for guidance to Sri Bhagwan, even after the Mahanirvana. He always maintained that Sri Bhagwan is the only Illumination and the Master for all. Yes, His Devotion to the Guru was supreme—the ‘Annanya Bhakti’, and His understanding of Sri Bhagwan’s Teaching was unparalleled.


Dear devotees, avid for grace,
Our master is an ocean,
Take and hold your fill.
Approach him freely,
Minds and hands wide open,
Drink to your hearts’ content.



Thank You,
   Anil 

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Dear Devotees,

Once you have arrived, there is no escape, as there is no escape from the tiger’s jaw. Such is the Guru’s Grace.
It is recorded that how Sri Valandur Kalyanasundaram Iyer, an ardent devotee of Sri Bhawan, made history. He used to come to the Ashram regularly and was aware of the greatness of Sri Bhagwan. He was in such awe of Him that he would be afraid to go near Him and even used to prostrate to Him from a little distance. He was working as a station master at Valandur railway station near Madurai. It is said that he remained absorbed in the constant thought of Sri Bhagwan even while he was on the duty. One day when he was on duty, between 7 P.M. and 8 P.M. he was overcome by an irresistible urge to visit Sri Bhagwan. A train was on the platform, ready to start. Availing of this opportunity he got into the train deserting the station unmindful of the consequences. His whole mind was on Sri Bhawan. Only a last grade pointsman was left alone in the station and nobody was there to take charge. This sensational news reached the headquarters and he was questioned by the officials and even the police at the Madurai station. He did not reply properly and kept repeating Sri Bhagwan’s Name and insisted that he should go to the Ashram to see Him at once. The D.M.O. also examined him and found that nothing was wrong mentally with him. It was a high voltage devotional upsurge. However, he refused to go back on his duty. The officials sympathised with his state and put him safely on the train leaving for Tiruvannamalai. By this time the news reached the Ashram and everyone was wonderstruck. Sri Bhagwan said nothing. Sri Rajan, himself a railway employee, was perhaps posted at that time in Tiruvannamalai railway station. So, seeing this news item in the News Paper, he met Sri Iyer at the station and fed him and then he was escorted safely to the Ashram. When he arrived at Sri Ramanasramam, he calmly prostrated to Sri Bhagwan from a little distance but said nothing though he is said to have remained praying inwardly. Sri Bhagwan also said nothing but just smiled. After the usual stay at the Ashram, he departed.

Dear devotees, for the dereliction of duty he was awarded the punishment of break of service. However, out of sympathy, he was reemployed. But he remained in the service only for a short time and ultimately resigned. He was in an advanced spiritual state. After premature retirement he ran a small business for maintaining his family at Tiruvannamalai itself.

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Dear devotees, the source of my last post is 'More Talks With Sri Ramana Maharshi' by Sri N. N. Rajan.

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  Anil

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Dear i,

the relationship of Bhagavan and Muruganar was unique, simply because of the sheer intensity of devotion Muruganar had for Bhagavan, and, Bhagavan, just to enjoy, would tease Muruganar. There are many such subtle instances.

When Muruganar prostrates completely, Bhagavan would just initiated some conversation just that very moment, when Muruganar is flat on ground prostrating to him, and Muruganar would even forget to get up even and respond back to Bhagavan like a Lizard, and Bhagavan would converse intently and Muruganar also would not even realise anything, when Bhagavan spoke to him, he lost all his body consciousness and surroundings. Other devotees used to make fun calling him as a Lizard devotee. :)

At another instance, everybody is well aware of the fight between Muruganar and his wife smt Meenakshiammal. They were a very sweet couple. Smt Meenakshiammal used to complain to Bhagavan about how Muruganar used to ignore her and how he was not taking care of her like before, she used to vent her feelings to Bhagavan and Bhagavan used to listen to her with utter consideration and also used to ask attendants to bring strong coffee for smt Meenakshiammal as he was a great coffee lover :) at another instance, she generally used to sing Muruganar's songs in the evenings before Bhagavan. and in one of the songs, Muruganar, being vexed with Bhagavan whose grace he some times could not fathom, sang as Ramana Mayavane, meaning O Ramana, the Deceiver and Bhagavan decided to play a prank, he asked smt Meenakshiammal to change the words Ramana Mayavane as Muruga Mayavane, indirectly, subtly conveying to Muruganar how he has been Deceiving his wife as well :) and Muruganar was very sensitive, the moment he heard this lines, he realised it must have been the play of Bhagavan and quickly tried to move away from the scene :) Then Sri Bhagavan explained to the devotees. "I have never abandoned Muruganar as he accuses me in the song. He is always with me. But he has abandoned Meenakshi and run away from her.

Swami Niranjanananda, sometimes asked Muruganar to perform the puja rituals to the Mother shrine. Muruganar use do the needful and finally, when it was time for the arati, he could not rotate the Arati in one and and rotate in clockwise direction, holding the bell in the other hand, it was a very funny to look at the plight of Muruganar and Bhagavan happened to watch it one day, and began to laugh loudly, very delightful, Muruganar, again, being sensitive, used to get angry with Bhagavan and disappeared from the scene. He used to put into verses like this, what ever happened with him, thus indirectly, Bhagavan had been constantly inspiring Muruganar in many ways.

Another occassion, Muruganar, very meticulously, got a big jack fruit to perform the annual pithru rites for his mother, seeing his meticulous preparations, Bhagavan asked him circastically, "oh, the thought of your mother still exists, is it?" and this very moment, Muruganar being his sensitivity was again a great instance to watch him, he took this as a call, and this was the last ritual he performed for his mother, Bhagavan was his priest at this instance.

Wonderful, wonderful. Sometimes, i feel, Muruganar is like the mice beneath Lord Ganapathy (Ramanar)

Kanakammal recollected, after the physical demise of Bhagavan, among all devotees, it was Muruganar who suffered the pain the maximum, itseems, he used to roll on the ground and cry with so much pain.

This picture, Muruganar is seated below Bhagavan, how much intensity, how much intensity.

Salutations to Bhagavan
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॥ शांतमात्मनि तिष्ट ॥
Remain quietly in the Self.
~ Vasishta