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« Reply #2355 on: January 25, 2018, 09:03:53 AM »
ANNAMALAI SWAMI ? FINAL TALKS

During sleep, you have no likes and dislikes. Jnanis and babies manage this while they are awake. Baby mind is good; jnani mind is good; 'I am the body' mind is very, very bad.

Question: It's a poisonous thought!

Annamalai Swami: Yes, yes. The 'I am the body' thought is just as poisonous as a cobra. 'All is my Self.' 'All is the nectar of my own Self.' These are the great affirmations that counter the 'I am the body' thought.

Holding on to one of these sayings is the equal of millions of punyas. If we continuously meditate on the truth of these statements, if we hold on to the truth that they are pointing
towards, countless punyas will accrue to us.

There are many other mantras, but none are as useful as these. Rihhu Gitu says, 'All is one. All is the Self.' This is the truth that you have to hold onto. To the real ?I? nothing is foreign in the entire universe. If you know you are everything, there will be no desire to pursue some things and not others. Do you like or desire your arm more than your foot? When your body is the whole universe, likes, dislikes and desires will be absent.

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« Reply #2356 on: January 30, 2018, 06:43:32 PM »
Meditation

If we do not resolve to attack the deadly enemy in every nook and corner of our daily life, we shall never get rid of this ghost which we have pampered unconsciously for so long. But what is the means?

There is only one way to overcome the ghost .... to watch it.
Do not fight, do not resist. Only try to watch it, quietly but ceaselessly.

In other words, develop an unconcerned witness-consciousness towards men, things and happenings without, but particularly towards yourself within. It means to carry on the calmness of the mind gained in your meditation to cover your whole day. You will distinctly feel it as an undercurrent of peace and detachment.

- Lucy Cornellsen, 'Hunting the 'I'
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« Reply #2357 on: February 17, 2018, 07:42:05 AM »
HEAVEN IS A WASTE OF TIME

Visitor: It is said in the scriptures that by doing virtuous deeds people are assured of heavenly enjoyments after death.

Bhagavan: Maybe. But are you sure that what all you do are virtuous actions only? Even then after heavenly life, you have to experience the fruits of actions which had not yet fructified. One would have to roll again and again, endlessly, in the cycle of birth.

V: That is why I sought Bhagavan's clarification.

Bh: Our aim should be the attainment of eternal bliss by realizing the truth. How can you aspire for karmic results?

V: Without proper understanding, many people are mad after heavenly enjoyments.

Bh: One might think that heaven is a place of enjoyment. However, things are not very different from this world there. Attachments, prejudices, jealousies etc. are there too. That enjoyment too is perishable for everything is centered on the ego. Because of pleasures, one's mind would not then turn inward in search of truth.

It is such a waste!

After the good karma which gave one the enjoyments of heaven are over one has to return.

What needs to be done is to inquire: 'for whom is this desire for heavenly enjoyment?' Such an inquiry is an absolute necessity.

V: People wrongly superimpose permanence on heavenly enjoyments.

Bh: How can it be? Everlasting bliss can be obtained only by eliminating the cycle of birth and death. Heaven is not the place for the realization of truth.

V: It means that we should not aspire for the fruits of actions but surrender them to God. This also implies we should make an attempt to attain self-knowledge here and now.

Bh: We do not know where heaven is nor as to how it is.
But we aspire for unknown things. In contrast, all the requirements for self-knowledge is ready at hand.
Why bother about unknown things when the wise ones
have shown us the way to attain Self-knowledge here itself?

- N.N.Rajan, More Talks With Ramana Maharshi,
13.4.42 afternoon
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« Reply #2358 on: February 18, 2018, 08:16:44 PM »
Atmavichar/Friends,

"Annamalai Swami: Yes, yes. The 'I am the body' thought is just as poisonous as a cobra. 'All is my Self.' 'All is the nectar of my own Self.' These are the great affirmations that counter the 'I am the body' thought.
Holding on to one of these sayings is the equal of millions of punyas. If we continuously meditate on the truth of these statements, if we hold on to the truth that they are pointing towards, countless punyas will accrue to us.

One who is clear on  Vichara  will not see any difference between what Bhagavan is pointing out and what Annamalai Swami is pointing out.

What Annamalai swami is pointing out is to give up wrong identification...The Root thought is 'I am the Body' identification...To recognize this and give it up is vichara...The 'I am the Self' is not intended to be repeated mindlessly but as a useful 'Reminder' to counter the 'I am the Body' thought...i.e to stop the identification in its tracks as it were.

This is how Sri Ramakrishna points out the same Truth through the parable of the grass eating tiger:
Parable of the grass-eating tiger
Master:"Before you came here, you didn't know who you were. Now you will know. It is God who, as the guru, makes one know.
"Nangta told the story of the tigress and the herd of goats. Once a tigress attacked a herd of goats. A hunter saw her from a distance and killed her. The tigress was pregnant and gave birth to a cub as she expired. The cub began to grow in the company of the goats. At first it was nursed by the she-goats, and later on, as it grew bigger, it began to eat grass and bleat like the goats. Gradually the cub became a big tiger; but still it ate grass and bleated.
When attacked by other animals, it would run away, like the goats. One day a fierce looking tiger attacked the herd. It was amazed to see a tiger in the herd eating grass and running away with the goats at its approach. It left the goats and caught hold of the grass-eating tiger, which began to bleat and tried to run away. But the fierce tiger dragged it to the water and said: 'Now look at your face in the water. You see, you have the pot-face of a tiger; it is exactly like mine.' Next it pressed a piece of meat into its mouth. At first the grass-eating tiger refused to eat the meat. Then it got the taste of the meat and relished it.
At last the fierce tiger said to the grass-eater: 'What a disgrace! You lived with goats and ate grass like them!' And the other was really ashamed of itself.
"Eating grass is like enjoying 'woman and gold'. To bleat and run away like a goat is to behave like an ordinary man. Going away with the new tiger is like taking shelter with the guru, who awakens one's spiritual consciousness, and recognizing him alone as one's relative. To see one's face rightly is to know one's real Self."

Sri Ramakrishna stood up. There was silence all around, disturbed only the by the gentle rustling of the pine-needles and the murmuring of the Ganges. The Master went to the Panchavati and then to his room, talking all the while with M. The disciple followed him,fascinated.

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Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« Reply #2359 on: February 19, 2018, 09:47:21 PM »
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What Annamalai swami is pointing out is to give up wrong identification...The Root thought is 'I am the Body' identification...To recognize this and give it up is vichara.

Dear Sri Ravi

Thanks for your reply . Today I was going through the "Daily Readings" of Swami Sivananda and today's message was the same as quoted above i.e root cause of all problems is "Identification with the body,mind"
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« Reply #2360 on: February 20, 2018, 11:59:51 AM »
Annamalai Swami ji is pretty clear : stop believing that i am this body or the mind. There is no "I" in the body/mind.
Bhagavan : the body and mind have no person "in" them. Awareness does not either. see where is the "I" .
Sri Ramakrishna: it is like peeling an onion, if you keep on peeling there is no "center". if you search for i there is no i

All of them are saying just the same thing.
Just the same Truth... different styles of expressing.

if instead i say ... ill concentrate, ill please a god or ill stop my thoughts etc ... well ... they would say that i may continue these practices until one day by the grace of God i see what they are saying and drop off. :)

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« Reply #2361 on: March 01, 2018, 02:20:21 PM »
Reminiscences of R Narayana Iyer
Boundless Ocean of Grace Arunachala Ramana



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« Reply #2362 on: March 07, 2018, 03:09:50 PM »
THE ONLY MEANS

M: The attempt to destroy the ego or the mind through sadhanas other than atma vichara, is just like the thief assuming the guise of a policeman to catch the thief, that is himself. Atma vichara alone can reveal the truth that neither the ego nor the mind really exists, and enables one to realize the pure, undifferentiated Being of the Self or the Absolute.
Having realized the Self, nothing remains to be known, because it is perfect Bliss, it is the All.

D: In this life beset with limitations can I ever realize the bliss of the Self?

M: That bliss of the Self is always with you, and you will find it for yourself if you would seek it earnestly.

The cause of your misery is not in the life without; it is in you as the ego. You impose limitations on yourself and then make a vain struggle to transcend them.

All unhappiness is due to the ego; with it comes all your trouble. What does it avail you to attribute to the happenings in life the cause of misery which is really within you? What happiness can you get from things extraneous to yourself? When you get it, how long will it last?

If you would deny the ego and scorch it by ignoring it, you would be free. If you accept it, it will impose limitations on you and throw you into a vain struggle to transcend them. That was how the thief sought to ?ruin? King Janaka.

To be the Self that you really are is the only means to realize the bliss that is ever yours.

Maharshi?s Gospel, P. 52
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« Reply #2363 on: March 12, 2018, 06:01:58 PM »
CONVERSATIONS WITH ANNAMALAI SWAMI

Most people take the appearance of the snake in the rope to be reality. Acting on their misperceptions they think up many different ways of killing the snake. They can never succeed in getting rid of the snake until they give up the idea that there is a snake there at all.

People who want to kill or control the mind have the same problem: they imagine that there is a mind which needs to be controlled and take drastic steps to beat it into submission. If instead, they generated the understanding that there is no such thing as mind, all their problems would come to an end. You must generate the conviction,

'I am the all-pervasive consciousness in which all bodies and minds in the world are appearing and disappearing. I am that consciousness which remains unchanged and unaffected by these appearances and disappearances.'

Stabilize yourself in that conviction. That is all you need to do.

LWB, p. 266

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« Reply #2364 on: March 13, 2018, 08:44:11 AM »
NO ONE SUCCEEDS WITHOUT EFFORT

D.: How can the rebellious mind be brought under control?

M.: Either seek its source so that it may disappear or surrender that it may be struck down.

D.: But the mind slips away from our control.

M.: Be it so. Do not think of it. When you recollect yourself bring it back and turn it inward. That is enough.

No one succeeds without effort. Mind control is not one?s birthright. The successful few owe their success to their perseverance.

A passenger in a train keeps his load on the head by his own folly. Let him put it down: he will find the load reaches the destination all the same. Similarly, let us not pose as the doers, but resign ourselves to the guiding Power.

- Talk 398.
14th April 1937
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« Reply #2365 on: May 26, 2018, 07:59:14 PM »
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« Reply #2366 on: June 09, 2018, 12:27:36 PM »
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« Reply #2367 on: July 17, 2018, 10:10:32 AM »
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« Reply #2368 on: July 17, 2018, 02:24:03 PM »
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« Reply #2369 on: July 17, 2018, 02:27:16 PM »
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