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atmavichar100

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Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« Reply #2295 on: October 20, 2017, 06:59:31 PM »
Humphreys: Master! Can I help the world? Maharshi: Help yourself and you will help the world.
However many holy words you read, however many you speak, what good will they do you if you do not act on upon them? - Buddha

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« Reply #2296 on: October 25, 2017, 04:18:41 PM »
Atmavichar/Friends,
You have raised this question in another thread:
"How does thought originate ? What determines the difference in thoughts that emerge in various people's minds ? Is it past karma , present karma or is the whole thing just random ?"

Quite a valid question and the most definitive response is by Sri Bhgavan in his wonderful atma vidhya kirtanam...verse 2:
 
Part 1 of your question:How does thought originate ?
ஊன் ஆர் உடல் இதுவே நான் ஆம் எனும் நினைவே
நானா நினைவுகள் சேர் ஓர் நார் எனும் அதனால்
'நான் ஆர் இடம் எது' என்று உள் போனால் நினைவுகள் போய்
'நான் நான்' என குகை உள் தானாய்  திகழும் ஆன்ம
ஞானமே இதுவே மோனமே ஏக வானமே இன்பத் தானமே..........(ஐயே! அதி சுலபம் -ஆன்ம வித்தை ஐயே! அதி சுலபம்)

The thought 'I am this fleshy body' is the thread around which various other thoughts are strung....This is the 'origin' of all thoughts...and when sought within ,all thoughts subside and Self awareness shines forth  as 'I, I' spontaneously in that cavern...This is Mouna...One (undivided)Space...the Abode of Bliss.

In a sense it may  be said that the Self is the Origin or base of everything including the thoughts or mind...or in other words ,the mind is the power of the Self and not apart from it....there is no such thing like 'mind' apart from the Self.

Part 2 of your question:
"What determines the difference in thoughts that emerge in various people's minds" ?
It will be easier to take a perspective on this question by broadening it even further...If we are born as a mosquito,our consciousness and 'thought world' will automatically be defined by that Body/mind complex of a mosquito...Ditto in case of a Plant or bird or animal....and onto the Human animal;in a sense we inherit the characteristics of all species preceding us in the evolutionary chain...It is not as if our so called 'individual' karma is isolated from this 'inherited karma'...In other words, 'I am this world' and not apart from it and as such inherit the 'consciousness' of the world....although the most dominant traits of the thought stream are inherited from our 'immediate' family descent (and we are born in that 'family' on account of our 'past' karma...so,in a sense there is a match between the Karmic past and the present 'prarabdha' that has lead to our being born as a 'Human Being' in a 'particular place and family').

All this is implied in Bhagavan's first sentence in that wonderful verse:"ஊன் ஆர் உடல் இதுவே நான் ஆம் எனும் நினைவே நானா நினைவுகள் சேர் ஓர் நார்"....If we identify with the 'I am this Fleshly body',we automatically identify with the whole of this creation in an unconscious manner...We inherit the travails of Samsara, with all its diversity and complexity and conflicts...and in this domain,the law of karma dominates and we are caught up in it.

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Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« Reply #2297 on: October 27, 2017, 12:49:20 PM »
Udai garu,

" i have been chanting a particular mantra of my ishta daivata ... not very often but off and on.
and then my guru gave me gayatri ... he ensured that i chant it properly by making me repeat it in proper intonation.[very kind of him]

now i am in a fix. i do see that chanting gayathri calms the mind ... but when i chant my ishta daivata mantram i do have a feeling that i am connecting with my ishta daivata , which is not there in gayatri ...

i was seeking your advice on that. perhaps out of place to link it to this post , sorry for that. I have also posted this question to Ramakrishna Mission let me see what they have to suggest."

I suggest that you wait for the response from RK math...Did you take it up with your Guru?...Please do so...We may take it up in a general way after you get to hear .
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« Reply #2298 on: October 27, 2017, 02:29:05 PM »
Dear Ravi ji,
    :)
Thank you for the response.
I am waiting for the RKM response.

My guru ji told me that there is no difference :) ... he questioned me "what difference do you see between your ishta -daivam and Gayathri (as Self) " ? he was questioning on my advaita understanding... and obviously he is right.

Actually ... Dhyana for me is not a 30 mins in morning activity, its about continuous living , but i do sit down every day quietly for some time in the morning and evening and japa is one of the things i want to include. So whenever i try to include it, this question always pops up ! I personally like japa as i find it to be very useful mental training. Lets hope to see what RKM has to say.

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« Reply #2299 on: October 27, 2017, 03:06:54 PM »
udai garu,
I totally concur with what your guruji has said....you may get to hear the same thing from R K Math.
I appreciate the continuous dwelling in a centered way as you have been doing...and japa as a regular menu in your spiritual practices.
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« Reply #2300 on: October 27, 2017, 05:37:13 PM »
udai garu,
I am posting links to a couple of Skype videos of Swami Vinayakanandaji of R K math, in the Articles,Interviews,News thread...this should clarify the dilemma that you have raised...Swamiji is quite childlike as most mahatmas are...and he wonderfully covers the subject matter in an intimate and direct way...we may be 'aware' of much of what he speaks but it would help to set aside all that we 'know' and simply listen to this mahatma...we may discuss later if there be any further thing to be discussed...I do not think that would be necessary!
I am posting it there so that others may also get to see it and benefit.
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« Reply #2301 on: October 28, 2017, 02:57:07 AM »
Dear Friends,

When it is about music,i enjoy it too,and it somehow helps me  to be more concentrated and more focused. But i think that is a matter of habit,and inclinations only. I grew up in family of musicians,so music gives me some special touch in everything...

Dwelling on the meaning of the Mantra is very much important,and it is ,i believe,greatly linked with the feeling of devotion. On other hand,the words of some Mantas are so much potent in themselves,with such power,and that gives the great benefits for the one who chants it.

Both aim where they are intended...

We do not need to be aware of it at all.

Quote from Sri Ravi
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have heard some stotras rendered in Rock style as well.

 :D :D :D :D :D :D I laughed sooo much at this.  ;D ;D ;D
Indeed,i agree that some level of integrity of these texts must be maintained. Those are sacred texts after all.

With love,



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Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« Reply #2302 on: October 28, 2017, 12:25:49 PM »
However many holy words you read, however many you speak, what good will they do you if you do not act on upon them? - Buddha

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« Reply #2303 on: October 29, 2017, 10:28:36 AM »
However many holy words you read, however many you speak, what good will they do you if you do not act on upon them? - Buddha

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« Reply #2304 on: October 29, 2017, 01:54:03 PM »
What is it to "hold the Self"?
I suspect it can be translated, "be as you are, ignore passing thoughts".

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« Reply #2305 on: October 29, 2017, 04:49:29 PM »
Dear Nishta ji,
          :) nice observation. its true : holding onto self is really to not hold onto non-self. :)

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« Reply #2306 on: October 29, 2017, 04:51:49 PM »
Dear Ravi ji,
          Thank you for the videos and the comments.
yesterday something interesting happened ill let you know in more detail a little later. Right now need to allow this understanding to settle a little to be able to explain it properly. 

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« Reply #2307 on: October 29, 2017, 06:06:49 PM »
udai garu,
Nice to see your message...In general,it is advisable not to discuss in public about spiritual experiences(if that is what you are referring to)....You may share any insight or understanding in a general way...Wishing you the very best.
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« Reply #2308 on: October 31, 2017, 03:17:37 PM »

WORKING FOR IMMORTALITY

A Discussion with Ma ( Anand Mayi Ma )
An American woman, Markell Brooks had been only for twelve says in India when she asked Anandamayi Ma:
Question: Since the will of the individual is illusory and one
does not know God's will, how can one lead a purposeful life in this world.
Ma: By contemplating the Self, one will find out. It is man's principal duty to aspire to Self-realization.
Question: What about self-expression in art?
Ma: This also belongs to that which is fleeting. You paint a picture, but it can't last. The most beautiful song fades away in a moment.
Question: Presuming that the striving goes on no matter what, how can one know how to live ?in relation both to human beings and one's own creative energies?
Ma: A man who is after worldly things and is occupied with the business of this world gets satisfaction out of what he does, for otherwise why should he do it? He feels he is doing well, he gets praise and fame, money and position and his mind is always occupied with his affairs. If someone is opposed to him and puts obstacles in his way he gets angry and hostile.
A person who strives after Self-realization will turn to Mahatmas [great souls] for advice, guidance, and company. He will start reading books written by such men. He will admire them and wish to become like them and so, since he is searching for Truth, he will come to be truthful in behavior and speech. The Self is one, so remember the Oneness of all.
Although a dog may bite you, you will not bite back. The man who strives after worldly goods and satisfaction is working for death because everything in the world is constantly dying and something else is born. The child dies to the young girl and the girl to the woman etc. But the man who is after Self-realization is working for immortality. When living and working in the world one's creative power is exhausted in the pursuit of sense objects so one may come to feel weak, tired or ill.
But by striving after Self-realization one's creative power is preserved and strengthened.
While the person who lives in the world takes pleasure in parties, meeting people etc, the one who is out for Self-realization will take pleasure in meditation, singing the praises of God, reading books of wisdom, listening to discourses by great souls and mixing with those who are pilgrims on the path.
- Death Must Die, p. 529
However many holy words you read, however many you speak, what good will they do you if you do not act on upon them? - Buddha

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« Reply #2309 on: November 03, 2017, 05:35:58 PM »
CONVERSATIONS WITH ANNAMALAI SWAMI
Q: I know that Bhagavan is within all forms but sometimes I feel that it is easier to feel his grace by concentrating on an image of him.
Self-enquiry is such hard work. One rarely feels blissful or peaceful doing it. Sometimes I feel like treating myself to a little bliss by looking at Bhagavan's picture for a while.
AS: There is nothing wrong with looking at Bhagavan's picture. It is a very good practice. But you should not get sidetracked from your main objective which is establishing yourself as consciousness. Don't get attached to states of bliss or give them priority over the quest for the Self. If you become attached to peaceful or blissful states you may lose interest in your main quest.
It is good to feel blissful and peaceful but don't indulge yourself in these states at the expense of self-enquiry. If you realize the inner Self, if you realize that there is not an atom which is apart from the Self, you will experience the real peace and bliss of the Self.
You will BE the peace and bliss rather than being the experiencer of it. If you enjoy temporary states of peace and bliss in the mind, the experiencer of that peace and bliss will not want to subside into the Self and disappear.
Don't get attached to mental peace. Go beyond it to the real peace which comes from being the Self.
LWB, p. 339
However many holy words you read, however many you speak, what good will they do you if you do not act on upon them? - Buddha