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« Reply #2415 on: October 23, 2019, 06:35:58 PM »
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« Reply #2416 on: October 27, 2019, 07:46:06 PM »
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« Reply #2417 on: October 28, 2019, 08:48:35 AM »
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« Reply #2418 on: November 02, 2019, 09:09:00 AM »
Worship of Form and Formless
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Devotee: Saguna upasana (worship of form with attributes) is said to be imperfect. It is also said that nirguna upasana (worship of formless) is hard and risky.

Maharshi: The Saguna merges into the Nirguna in the long run. The Saguna purifies the mind and takes one to the final goal. The afflicted one, the seeker of knowledge, and the seeker of gains (wordly) are all dear to God. But the Jnani is the Self of God.

- Talk 619
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« Reply #2419 on: November 07, 2019, 12:46:50 PM »
Leave people alone. Do not try to change people or to make them see your point of view. There is no point of view. Every point of view is wrong. We want to get rid of points of view.

-Robert Adams, 21th November 1991
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« Reply #2420 on: November 07, 2019, 03:00:22 PM »
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« Reply #2421 on: November 10, 2019, 04:56:23 PM »
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« Reply #2422 on: November 10, 2019, 11:04:08 PM »
Morarji Desai, Prime Minister of India (March 1977 to July 1979), was President of Ramana Kendra, Delhi, 1968-70.

I had the privilege of seeing Ramana Maharshi in August 1935 in the hall in which he usually sat. He was sitting on a sofa and wore only a loincloth. I could see an aura on his face, which was glowing with peace and joy. I sat opposite to him but did not ask him anything. He too did not say anything to me. I sat just over an hour and just looked at his face. Till today I have not seen that aura, that joy or peace on anybody else?s face. That hour of perfect stillness in that silent presence has been a precious memory ever since.
While I sat there, no questions arose in my mind, nor did I feel any desire to ask anything. I was at complete peace with myself. It was this experience that convinced me that Ramana Maharshi had realized God or Truth. Some of his disciples who were present asked him some questions, which he answered. He, however, said nothing of his own accord.

I had to leave the place next day by train at about twelve. About an hour-and-a half before the time of departure, I approached Ramana Maharshi for permission to leave. He told me that I should go after I had eaten. We sat down for lunch along with the Maharshi, at about eleven O?clock. After lunch, I bowed down to him and left.

The visit left an abiding impression on me and convinced me that Ramana Maharshi was a realized soul and that the ideal of ?action in inaction? as propounded in the Gita is really attainable.

Presiding over the 99th Jayanti celebrations of Ramana Maharshi at Ramana Kendra, New Delhi, on 13th January 1979, Morarji Desai as Prime Minister, said:
The Maharshi seemed to know everything. He knew the language of the animals. He listened to their complaints. He treated every being in the same way, whether it was a cow or a dog, a crow or a monkey. All were equal in his eyes, the beggar and the millionaire. He never went out of Tiruvannamalai. He refused to go out and preach. He said, ?If I am a jnani, I consider everybody else a jnani too. What is there to give?? He regarded everybody as himself. He made no attempt to convert anybody. One got transformed by his very presence.

Many civilizations have flourished and then disappeared. But in this country, you find our old culture and the ancient religion still alive. And it is this that keeps the country alive. It is persons like the Maharshi who keep it alive...All learning should come from within. That is the way the Maharshi showed. He did not criticize other's way of life. He said, ?Stick to your own religion and follow it properly.? Ramana Maharshi taught that one could do sadhana in one?s chosen way and reach the goal.

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« Reply #2423 on: November 11, 2019, 06:36:03 PM »
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« Reply #2424 on: November 12, 2019, 03:23:56 PM »
Some jnanis may stay silent; others may talk a lot.

Some are active in the world; some withdraw from it.

Some end up as teachers while others are content to stay hidden.

Some behave like saints, whereas others act like madmen.

The same peace can be found in the presence of all these beings, since this peace is not affected by modes of behaviour, but there may be no other common factors.

Annamalai Swami.
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« Reply #2425 on: November 13, 2019, 11:07:02 PM »
Tayumanuvar, a Tamil saint whom Bhagavan often quoted, wrote in one of his poems: 'My Guru merely told me that I am consciousness. Having heard this, I held onto consciousness. What he told me was just one sentence, but I cannot describe the bliss I attained from holding onto that one simple sentence. Through that one sentence I attained a peace and a happiness that can never be explained in words'.

Annamalai Swami
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« Reply #2426 on: November 16, 2019, 03:05:08 PM »
THE HARIJAN LADY

I once remember a Harijan lady who for the past twenty-five years was gathering honey to send to Sri Bhagavan. On every occasion she was unable to bring the honey herself and had to send it with someone. After waiting for twenty-five years, she finally found the opportunity to come. The poor lady was in tattered clothes, standing before Bhagavan. Her eyesight was poor and I still vividly recall the unusual way she looked at Sri Bhagavan, calling out "Oh Darling, where are you? I want to see you." Bhagavan in all his graciousness said, "Grandmother, look this way. I am here." Looking at the honey she had brought with her, he said to me, "They are Brahmins, they won't eat this. We will share it, and eat it."

It is often said, Bhagavan did not give direct Upadesa (spiritual teaching), but what else is all this? Although Bhagavan repeatedly pointed out human frailty, people were not prepared to rectify themselves. As if talking to himself, he looked at this poor old woman in ragged clothes and said, "Poor lady, she must be hungry. And where will she go for clothes? Who will offer her food and clothes?" Upon hearing this, Ondu Reddiyar got up and said, "We will give her food and also see that some clothes are purchased." Then Reddiyar took the woman to the Dining Hall and fed her sumptuously. He also sent someone to town to buy her a sari. As the old woman had no money, she had walked a great distance to come here. Bhagavan knowing this, said in an impersonal way, "Would anyone be interested in getting her a bus ticket?" Reddiyar again came forward and said, "We will provide her with a bus ticket and see her off." When this lady returned from the Dining Hall she was touching the ground, and then touching her eyes. That is a way of prostration and thanksgiving.

It is noteworthy that whenever the poor or untouchables came, Bhagavan took a very personal interest in them, which was a moving sight to see.
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« Reply #2427 on: November 19, 2019, 12:58:09 PM »
Question: Why should Self-enquiry alone be considered the direct path to Realization?

Bhagavan: Because every kind of path except Self-enquiry presupposes the retention of the mind as the instrument for following it, and cannot be followed without the mind. The ego may take different and more subtle forms at different stages of one's practice but it is never destroyed. The attempt to destroy the ego or the mind by methods other than Self-enquiry is like a thief turning policeman to catch the thief that is himself. Self enquiry alone can reveal the truth that neither the ego nor the mind really exists and enable one to realize the pure, undifferentiated Being of the Self or the Absolute.
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« Reply #2428 on: November 19, 2019, 06:44:04 PM »
Question: I wasn?t here yesterday, but I was told that someone asked the following question: ?I have been following Bhagavan?s teachings for many years, but without any obvious benefits. I don?t feel any peace. What am I doing wrong? Why am I not getting results??
Annamalai Swami: Self-enquiry must be done continuously. It doesn?t work if you regard it as a part-time activity. You may be doing something that doesn?t hold your interest or attention, so you think, ?I will do some self-enquiry instead?. This is never going to work. You may go two steps forward when you practice, but you go five steps backward when you stop your practice and go back to your worldly affairs. You must have a lifelong commitment to establish yourself in the Self.
Your determination to succeed must be strong and firm, and it should manifest as continuous, not part-time effort.For many lifetimes you have been immersed in ignorance. You are habituated to it.
All your deeply rooted beliefs, all your patterns of behaviour reinforce ignorance and strengthen the hold it has over you. This ignorance is so strong, so deeply enmeshed in all your psychological structures, it takes a massive effort over a long period of time to break free from it.
The habits and beliefs that sustain it have to be challenged again and again.
Ignorance is ignorance of the Self, and to remove it Self- awareness is required. When you come to an awareness of the Self, ignorance vanishes. If you don?t lose contact with the Self, ignorance can never arise.
If there is darkness, you remove it by bringing light. Darkness is not something real and substantial that you have to dig out and throw away. It is just an absence of light, nothing more. When light is let into a dark room, the darkness is suddenly no longer there. It did not vanish gradually or go away piece by piece; it simply ceased to exist when the room became filled with light.
This is just an analogy because the Self is not like other lights. It is not an object that you either see or don?t see. It is there all the time, shining as your own reality. If you refuse to acknowledge its existence, if you refuse to believe that it is there, you put yourself in an imaginary darkness. It is not a real darkness. It is just your own wilful refusal to acknowledge that you are light itself. This self-inflicted ignorance is the darkness that has to be banished by the light of Self-awareness. We have repeatedly to turn to the light of the Self within until we become one with it.
Bhagavan spoke about turning inwards to face the Self. That is all that is needed. If we look outwards, we become entangled with objects and we lose awareness of the Self shining within us. But when, by repeated practice, we gain the strength to keep our focus on the Self within, we become one with it and the darkness of Self-ignorance vanishes. Then, even though we continue to live in this false and unreal body, we abide in an ocean of bliss that never fades or diminishes.
This is not going to happen in a moment because lifetimes of wrong and ignorant thinking have made it impossible for most of us to focus intently and regularly on the Self within. If you leave your house and start walking away from it, and if you continue this habit over many lives, you will probably be a long, long way from home when you finally decide that you have had enough and that you want to go back to where you started from. Don?t be discouraged by the length of the journey, and don?t slacken in your efforts to get home.
Turn 180? to face the source of your outward journey, and keep moving back to where you started. Ignore the pain, the discomfort, and the frustration of seeming not to get anywhere. Keep moving back to your source, and don?t let anything distract you on the way. Be like the river on its journey back to the sea. It doesn?t stop, take diversions, or decide to flow uphill for a while. It doesn?t become distracted. It just moves slowly and steadily back to the place its water originated from. And when the river dissolves in the ocean, river is no more. Only ocean remains.
Jiva [the individual self] came from Siva and has to go back to Siva again. If there is a big charcoal fire, and one burning ember jumps out, the fire in the ember will soon go out. To reignite it, you have to put it back into the fire, back into its burning source.
There is no happiness in separation. Thejiva has no happiness, contentment or peace so long as it remains a separate being. The separate being comes from the Self. It has to go back there and end there. Only then will there be eternal peace.
The energy of the mind comes from the Self. In the waking state the mind functions as a separate entity. In the sleep state it goes back to the source. Again and again it comes out and goes back. It does this because it doesn?t know the truth of what it really is. It is Self and Self alone, but its ignorance of this fact makes it miserable. It is this feeling of separateness that gives rise to desires, suffering and unhappiness.
Keep the mind in the Self. If you can do this, you can live in peace both while you are awake and also while you are asleep. In deep sleep all differences are dropped. If you keep the mind in the Self during the waking state, there will also be no differences, no distinctions. You will see everything as your own Self
Annamalai Swami , Final Talks
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« Reply #2429 on: November 19, 2019, 11:52:24 PM »
When I say, 'Meditate on the Self' I am asking you to be the Self, not think about it. Be aware of what remains when thoughts stop. Be aware of the consciousness that is the origin of all your thoughts. Be that consciousness.

Annamalai Swami-Living by the Words of Bhagavan
However many holy words you read, however many you speak, what good will they do you if you do not act on upon them? - Buddha