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« Reply #1965 on: August 01, 2016, 06:07:50 PM »
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Just venting out my anger! Lets pray and hope some sanity come and relieves our country!

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I understand your sentiments but Most of Media's focus is only on the negative ( as that is what brings in more TRPs ) and less on the constructive that is happening in the Country ( unless the Constructive thing is seem to be done by a VIP ) . Thousands of selfless workers , volunteers from all walks of life are working silently without seeking name , fame , reward in order to improve the quality of life of the people of this Country and they are not reported much and fortunately through social media we are aware of that and kindly go through this site to get a feel of the type of the silent positive work being done by many selfless individuals in this Country .They report only the Positive news and that is mentioned in their Heading itself . While I do understand lot of negativity is there and that too is a reality , let us focus on the positive aspects and do our best to spread the positive energy through our own thoughts , words and deeds  in whatever way we can .
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« Reply #1966 on: August 01, 2016, 06:19:44 PM »
Cows are given hormones so that their milk output doubles. These hormones are the likely cause of milk allergies that increasing number of people are suffering from.

Why only cows?  The racket that kidnaps children in the 1-5 age group for the sake of organs is something even the devil will hesitate to do. But I heard even some high officials are involved.  I don't even want to think about it let alone write about it.

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« Reply #1967 on: August 01, 2016, 09:35:21 PM »
ॐ द्यौः शान्तिरन्तरिक्षं शान्तिः
पृथिवी शान्तिरापः शान्तिरोषधयः शान्तिः ।
वनस्पतयः शान्तिर्विश्वेदेवाः शान्तिर्ब्रह्म शान्तिः
सर्वं शान्तिः शान्तिरेव शान्तिः सा मा शान्तिरेधि ॥
ॐ शान्तिः शान्तिः शान्तिः ॥

Om Dyauh Shaantir-Antarikssam Shaantih
Prthivii Shaantir-Aapah Shaantir-Ossadhayah Shaantih |
Vanaspatayah Shaantir-Vishve-Devaah Shaantir-Brahma Shaantih
Sarvam Shaantih Shaantireva Shaantih Saa Maa Shaantir-Edhi |
Om Shaantih Shaantih Shaantih ||

Meaning:
1: Om, May there be Peace in Heaven, May there be Peace in the Sky,
2: May there be Peace in the Earth, May there be Peace in the Water, May there be Peace in the Plants,
3: May there be Peace in the Trees, May there be Peace in the Gods in the various Worlds, May there be Peace in Brahman,
4: May there be Peace in All, May there be Peace Indeed within Peace, Giving Me the Peace which Grows within Me,
5: Om, Peace, Peace, Peace.
॥ शांतमात्मनि तिष्ट ॥
Remain quietly in the Self.
~ Vasishta

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« Reply #1968 on: August 01, 2016, 09:55:18 PM »
Friends,
Interesting thoughts here!How long we can keep blaming the Muslim invasion and the British conquest for the present state of confusion and neglect?...ha,ha...I warmly recommend the following talk by Swami Vivekananda:The work before us Delivered at the Triplicane Literary Society, Madras(From the Lecture series -Colombo to Almora)

I shall post some excerpts here:
1. I would rather see every one of you rank atheists than superstitious fools, for the atheist is alive and you can make something out of him. But if superstition enters, the brain is gone, the brain is softening, degradation has seized upon the life. Avoid these two. Brave, bold men, these are what we want. What we want is vigour in the blood, strength in the nerves, iron muscles and nerves of steel, not softening namby-pamby ideas. Avoid all these. Avoid all mystery. There is no mystery in religion. Is there any mystery in the Vedanta, or in the Vedas, or in the Samhitas, or in the Puranas? What secret societies did the sages of yore establish to preach their religion? What sleight-of-hand tricks are there recorded as used by them to bring their grand truths to humanity? Mystery mongering and superstition are always signs of weakness. These are always signs of degradation and of death. Therefore beware of them; be strong, and stand on your own feet. Great things are there, most marvellous things. We may call them supernatural things so far as our ideas of nature go, but not one of these things is a mystery. It was never preached on this soil that the truths of religion were mysteries or that they were the property of secret societies sitting on the snow-caps of the Himalayas. I have been in the Himalayas. You have not been there; it is several hundreds of miles from your homes. I am a Sannyasin, and I have been for the last fourteen years on my feet. These mysterious societies do not exist anywhere. Do not run after these superstitions. Better for you and for the race that you become rank atheists, because you would have strength, but these are degradation and death. Shame on humanity that strong men should spend their time on these superstitions, spend all their time in inventing allegories to explain the most rotten superstitions of the world. Be bold; do not try to explain everything that way. The fact is that we have many superstitions, many bad spots and sores on our body - these have to be excised, cut off, and destroyed - but these do not destroy our religion, our national life, our spirituality. Every principle of religion is safe, and the sooner these black spots are purged away, the better the principles will shine, the more gloriously. Stick to them.

2.At the same time when the national vigour went, perhaps one or two centuries before the Mohammedan conquest of India, this national faculty became so much exaggerated that it degraded itself, and we find some of this degradation in everything in India, in art, in music, in sciences, in everything. In art, no more was there a broad conception, no more the symmetry of form and sublimity of conception, but the tremendous attempt at the ornate and florid style had arisen. The originality of the race seemed to have been lost. In music no more were there the soul-stirring ideas of the ancient Sanskrit music, no more did each note stand, as it were, on its own feet, and produce the marvellous harmony, but each note had lost its individuality(Swamiji was an exponent of the Drupad style of classical music and has written a book on Music as well!-Ravi). The whole of modern music is a jumble of notes, a confused mass of curves. That is a sign of degradation in music. So, if you analyse your idealistic conceptions, you will find the same attempt at ornate figures, and loss of originality. And even in religion, your special field, there came the most horrible degradations. What can you expect of a race which for hundreds of years has been busy in discussing such momentous problems as whether we should drink a glass of water with the right hand or the left? What more degradation can there be than that the greatest minds of a country have been discussing about the kitchen for several hundreds of years, discussing whether I may touch you or you touch me, and what is the penance for this touching! The themes of the Vedanta, the sublimest and the most glorious conceptions of God and soul ever preached on earth, were half-lost, buried in the forests, preserved by a few Sannyasins, while the rest of the nation discussed the momentous questions of touching each other, and dress, and food.

The whole talk is rousing and original....and above all quite balanced and broad based....I have no doubt that all those who are interested in the welfare of this whole world and the role India has to play in it simply cannot ignore Swamiji's talks ....especially the Youth....every youth needs to study Swami Vivekananda.
In the above talk Swamiji truly captures the bull by its horns....in delivering this talk to the most orthodox bastion,the people of the then Madras.It was also that namby pamby orthodoxy that gave rise to the likes of E Ve rA....and the so called 'Rationalists' followers of that gentleman.

Those interested in reading the complete Talk may refer here:
http://www.ramakrishnavivekananda.info/vivekananda/volume_3/lectures_from_colombo_to_almora/the_work_before_us.htm

Namaskar.
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« Reply #1969 on: August 01, 2016, 10:59:58 PM »
Friends,
In the very opening few words of that talk,Swamiji neatly gets to the root of the problem:

The problem of life is becoming deeper and broader every day as the world moves on. The watchword and the essence have been preached in the days of yore when the Vedantic truth was first discovered, the solidarity of all life. One atom in this universe cannot move without dragging the whole world along with it. There cannot be any progress without the whole world following in the wake, and it is becoming every day dearer that the solution of any problem can never be attained on racial, or national, or narrow grounds. Every idea has to become broad till it covers the whole of this world, every aspiration must go on increasing till it has engulfed the whole of humanity, nay, the whole of life, within its scope. This will explain why our country for the last few centuries has not been what she was in the past. We find that one of the causes which led to this degeneration was the narrowing of our views narrowing the scope of our actions.

The Nationalism of the Great sages like Swami Vivekananda and Sri Aurobindo is not that of the usual ,narrow,sectarian ,political kind.....India and sanatana Dharma are not just piece of Geographical Land and its cultural possessions...these represent the Eternal spirit that is essential  to the whole world and humanity at large.
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« Reply #1970 on: August 01, 2016, 11:34:32 PM »
Dear Sri Ravi,

I agree with the thoughts of Swami in spirit that we bury our past and stop the blaming the others for the state of affairs and that we get up on our own foot and stand strong and do the best, yet, I am remembered this anecdote and the associated quote by Swami which is in a close context to the topic under discussion:

"This world is like a dog's curly tail, and people have been striving to straighten it out for hundreds of years; but when they let it go, it has curled up again. How could it be otherwise?"



What just remains is a sense of empathy, our helplessness before the ways of the almighty! We have this liberty to just feel sad for the evils of the world, just you know, shed a tear of two upon the plight of the sufferings of the suffers especially those that cannot speak like us. What is worst of all, is if some such great sufferings remains unknown to others! At least when we drink our daily cup of milk of coffee, we should remember a moment or two about the Cow that has given us milk at that moment, what could She be going through.

But Sri Ravi, No logic goes with the Mother and Cow! Sometimes even a good Rational diminishes before something that is a Mother(includes Cow)

The only way ahead is to mutually enlighten each other. This much goodwill should prevail. This thought that I am holier than Thou has to be killed, this is the worst evil that needs to end.

On the contrary to the thought that "the Nationalism of the Great sages like Swami Vivekananda and Sri Aurobindo is not that of the usual ,narrow,sectarian ,political kind.....India and sanatana Dharma are not just piece of Geographical Land and its cultural possessions...these represent the Eternal spirit that is essential  to the whole world and humanity at large."

I believe and do not see a possibility of that kind of nationalism which can represent the whole world and humanity at large. This is a noble ideal but I feel that this is not the way God has planned really, there is no possibility for this noble ideal to shine, we may hope and pray however!

There is a reason why there are differences. The differences are appreciated. Each land is made differently. In South India we are rice eaters, in the north they are wheat eaters. In the west meat eating is quite natural as there are geographical and weather compulsions.

This is much more than patriotism. We would expect atleast in our country we could maintain the best practices of the Rishis.

You cant take this away from Human. Each would want to preserve his legacy. We see each states in our country. In this spirit, I would like to see our country shine in the spirit that her sanctity is preserved as it was in the past.

Only for a one who is Sarva Sanga Parityagi, the whole world is the same.

How would it possible for the lesser evolved, who is not yet a Sarva Sanga Parityagi, to accept the whole world as one. It is finally narrowed down from the Whole world to ones own country to ones own state to ones own family and finally to ones own self.

I know my expressions are flawed and not in sequence. But This is the India seen by our Rishis, no matter what our country should take pride and preserve her legacy.

There is difference between the Ganga and the Nile! There is a spirit in the rituals. I can never wear a shoe and enter a shrine for a prayer. So many such things are so unique to our country. Sri Ravi, i too have lived in a foreign country for some time during my past working days, but i missed the filthy Coovam smell as well, there is some thing in this mud of our great country that i did not find any where. Each bit of the mud and sand has something in it, it is Veda. Had I seen Ramana in a foreign country as well I would have still come back to this country. This Land is not just a land, this land is much more than that. This land is graces by Sages our ancestors.

My heart shouts, If not in our country where? only in the Truth, then!

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« Reply #1971 on: August 02, 2016, 12:27:51 AM »
Nagaraj,
Globalization is a fact now and this is zeitgeist as of now.
Swamiji never said "that we bury our past and stop the blaming the others for the state of affairs and that we get up on our own foot and stand strong and do the best"....He has said that the decay had already set in much before the foreigners had set foot on this soil.
We may discuss anything in that talk that I have referred to....it is truly something that every well meaning person (whether he be a seeker or otherwise) will benefit from.
There are two Fundamental reasons:
1.Lack of Education of the masses due to non dissemination .
2.Not giving the women their due place.

These are Facts and the present upheavals and churnings are on account of the above....The corrections are happening.
 These are from the Vyavaharic sense and all Dharma is related to  the Vyavaharic.....so,we are not discussing whether the world is a dog's tail or not....that is a different dimension altogether.

Namaskar.

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« Reply #1972 on: August 02, 2016, 06:15:07 AM »
Friends,
All of Swami Vivekananda's speeches in the series 'From Colombo to Almora' are wonderful and everyone will benefit by going through it deeply...one characteristic that comes out prominently is the multi sided and balanced view that Swamiji presents in all these.
Sri Aurobindo in his 'thoughts and aphorisms' says:
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Only those thoughts are true the opposite of which is also true in its own time and application;indisputable dogmas are the most are the most dangerous kinds of falsehood.
This is the key to understand the breadth and sweep of Swamiji's thoughts expressed in this series.I shall present some excerpts from his speech in Calcutta where he was received with great warmth as elsewhere.

1.One wants to lose the individual in the universal, one renounces, flies off, and tries to cut himself off from all associations of the body of the past, one works hard to forget even that he is a man; yet, in the nears of his heart, there is a soft sound, one string vibrating, one whisper, which tells him, East or West, home is best. Citizens of the capital of this Empire, before you I stand, not as a Sannyasin, no, not even as a preacher, but I come before you the same Calcutta boy to talk to you as I used to do. Ay, I would like to sit in the dust of the streets of this city, and, with the freedom of childhood, open my mind to you, my brothers. Accept, therefore, my heartfelt thanks for this unique word that you have used, "Brother". Yes, I am your brother, and you are my brothers. I was asked by an English friend on the eve of my departure, "Swami, how do you like now your motherland after four years' experience of the luxurious, glorious, powerful West?" I could only answer, "India I loved before I came away. Now the very dust of India has become holy to me, the very air is now to me holy; it is now the holy land, the place of pilgrimage, the Tirtha." Citizens of Calcutta ? my brothers ? I cannot express my gratitude to you for the kindness you have shown, or rather I should not thank you at all, for you are my brothers, you have done only a brother's duty, ay, only a Hindu brother's duty; for such family ties, such relationships, such love exist nowhere beyond the bounds of this motherland of ours.

The Parliament of Religions was a great affair, no doubt. From various cities of this land, we have thanked the gentlemen who organised the meeting, and they deserved all our thanks for the kindness that has been shown to us; but yet allow me to construe for you the history of the Parliament of Religions. They wanted a horse, and they wanted to ride it. There were people there who wanted to make it a heathen show, but it was ordained otherwise; it could not help being so. Most of them were kind, but we have thanked them enough.

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« Reply #1973 on: August 02, 2016, 06:23:38 AM »
Swami Vivekananda's speech in Calcutta continued....

On the other hand, my mission in America was not to the Parliament of Religions. That was only something by the way, it was only an opening, an opportunity, and for that we are very thankful to the members of the Parliament; but really, our thanks are due to the great people of the United States, the American nation, the warm hearted, hospitable, great nation of America, where more than anywhere else the feeling of brotherhood has been developed. An American meets you for five minutes on board a train, and you are his friend, and the next moment he invites you as a guest to his home and opens the secret of his whole living there. That is the character of the American race, and we highly appreciate it. Their kindness to me is past all narration, it would take me years yet to tell you how I have been treated by them most kindly and most wonderfully. So are our thanks due to the other nation on the other side of the Atlantic. No one ever landed on English soil with more hatred in his heart for a race than I did for the English, and on this platform are present English friends who can bear witness to the fact; but the more I lived among them and saw how the machine was working ? the English national life ? and mixed with them, I found where the heartbeat of the nation was, and the more I loved them. There is none among you here present, my brothers, who loves the English people more than I do now. You have to see what is going on there, and you have to mix with them. As the philosophy, our national philosophy of the Vedanta, has summarised all misfortune, all misery, as coming from that one cause, ignorance, herein also we must understand that the difficulties that arise between us and the English people are mostly due to that ignorance; we do not know them, they do not know us.
Unfortunately, to the Western mind, spirituality, nay, even morality, is eternally connected with worldly prosperity; and as soon as an Englishman or any other Western man lands on our soil and finds a land of poverty and of misery, he forthwith concludes that there cannot be any religion here, there cannot be any morality even. His own experience is true. In Europe, owing to the inclemency of the climate and many other circumstances poverty and sin go together, but not so in India. In India on the other hand, my experience is that the poorer the man the better he is in point of morality. Now this takes time to understand, and how many foreign people are there who will stop to understand this, the very secret of national existence in India? Few are there who will have the patience to study the nation and understand. Here and here alone, is the only race where poverty does not mean crime, poverty does not mean sin; and here is the only race where not only poverty does not mean crime but poverty has been deified, and the beggar's garb is the garb of the highest in the land. On the other hand, we have also similarly, patiently to study the social institutions of the West and not rush into mad judgments about them, their intermingling of the sexes, their different customs their manners, have all their meaning, have all their grand sides, if you have the patience to study them. Not that I mean that we are going to borrow their manners and customs, not that they are going to borrow ours, for the manners and customs of each race are the outcome of centuries of patient growth in that race, and each one has a deep meaning behind it; and, therefore, neither are they to ridicule our manners and customs, nor we theirs.

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« Reply #1974 on: August 02, 2016, 06:37:22 AM »
Swami Vivekananda's speech in Calcutta continued....

Brothers, you have touched another chord in my heart, the deepest of all, and that is the mention of my teacher, my master, my hero, my ideal, my God in life - Shri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa. If there has been anything achieved by me, by thoughts, or words, or deeds, if from my lips has ever fallen one word that has helped any one in the world, I lay no claim to it, it was his. But if there have been curses falling from my lips, if there has been hatred coming out of me, it is all mine and not his. All that has been weak has been mine, and all that has been life-giving, strengthening, pure, and holy, has been his inspiration, his words, and he himself. Yes, my friends, the world has yet to know that man. We read in the history of the world about prophets and their lives, and these come down to us through centuries of writings and workings by their disciples. Through thousands of years of chiselling and modelling, the lives of the great prophets of yore come down to us; and yet, in my opinion, not one stands so high in brilliance as that life which I saw with my own eyes, under whose shadow I have lived, at whose feet I have learnt everything -the life of Ramakrishna Paramahamsa. Ay, friends, you all know the celebrated saying of the Git?:

यदा यदा हि धर्मस्य ग्लानिर्भवति भारत ।
अभ्युत्थानमधर्मस्य तदात्मानं सृजाम्यहम् ॥
परित्राणाय साधूनां विनाशाय च दुष्कृताम् ।
धर्मासंस्थापनार्थाय संभवामि युगे युगे ॥

"Whenever, O descendant of Bharata, there is decline of Dharma, and rise of Adharma, then I body Myself forth. For the protection of the good, for the destruction of the wicked, and for the establishment of Dharma I come into being in every age."

Along with this you have to understand one thing more. Such a thing is before us today. Before one of these tidal waves of spirituality comes, there are whirlpools of lesser manifestation all over society. One of these comes up, at first unknown, unperceived, and unthought of, assuming proportion, swallowing, as it were, and assimilating all the other little whirlpools, becoming immense, becoming a tidal wave, and falling upon society with a power which none can resist. Such is happening before us. If you have eyes, you will see it. If your heart is open, you will receive it. If you are truth-seekers, you will find it. Blind, blind indeed is the man who does not see the signs of the day! Ay, this boy born of poor Brahmin parents in an out-of-the-way village of which very few of you have even heard, is literally being worshipped in lands which have been fulminating against heathen worship for centuries. Whose power is it? Is it mine or yours? It is none else than the power which was manifested here as Ramakrishna Paramahamsa. For, you and I, and sages and prophets, nay, even Incarnations, the whole universe, are but manifestations of power more or less individualized, more or less concentrated. Here has been a manifestation of an immense power, just the very beginning of whose workings we are seeing, and before this generation passes away, you will see more wonderful workings of that power. It has come just in time for the regeneration of India, for we forget from time to time the vital power that must always work in India.


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« Reply #1975 on: August 02, 2016, 06:44:06 AM »
Swami Vivekananda's speech in Calcutta continued....

Each nation has its own peculiar method of work. Some work through politics, some through social reforms, some through other lines. With us, religion is the only ground along which we can move. The Englishman can understand even religion through politics. Perhaps the American can understand even religion through social reforms. But the Hindu can understand even politics when it is given through religion; sociology must come through religion, everything must come through religion. For that is the theme, the rest are the variations in the national life-music. And that was in danger. It seemed that we were going to change this theme in our national life, that we were going to exchange the backbone of our existence, as it were, that we were trying to replace a spiritual by a political backbone. And if we could have succeeded, the result would have been annihilation. But it was not to be. So this power became manifest. I do not care in what light you understand this great sage, it matters not how much respect you pay to him, but I challenge you face to face with the fact that here is a manifestation of the most marvellous power that has been for several centuries in India, and it is your duty, as Hindus, to study this power, to find what has been done for the regeneration, for the good of India, and for the good of the whole human race through it. Ay, long before ideas of universal religion and brotherly feeling between different sects were mooted and discussed in any country in the world, here, in sight of this city, had been living a man whose whole life was a Parliament of Religions as it should be.
The highest ideal in our scriptures is the impersonal, and would to God everyone of us here were high enough to realise that impersonal ideal; but, as that cannot be, it is absolutely necessary for the vast majority of human beings to have a personal ideal; and no nation can rise, can become great, can work at all, without enthusiastically coming under the banner of one of these great ideals in life. Political ideals, personages representing political ideals, even social ideals, commercial ideals, would have no power in India. We want spiritual ideals before us, we want enthusiastically to gather round grand spiritual names. Our heroes must be spiritual. Such a hero has been given to us in the person of Ramakrishna Paramahamsa. If this nation wants to rise, take my word for it, it will have to rally enthusiastically round this name. It does not matter who preaches Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, whether I, or you, or anybody else. But him I place before you, and it is for you to judge, and for the good of our race, for the good of our nation, to judge now, what you shall do with this great ideal of life. One thing we are to remember that it was the purest of all lives that you have ever seen, or let me tell you distinctly, that you have ever read of. And before you is the fact that it is the most marvellous manifestation of soul-power that you can read of, much less expect to see. Within ten years of his passing away, this power has encircled the globe; that fact is before you. In duty bound, therefore, for the good of our race, for the good of our religion, I place this great spiritual ideal before you. Judge him not through me. I am only a weak instrument. Let not his character be judged by seeing me. It was so great that if I or any other of his disciples spent hundreds of lives, we could not do justice to a millionth part of what he really was. Judge for yourselves; in the heart of your hearts is the Eternal Witness, and may He, the same Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, for the good of our nation, for the welfare of our country, and for the good of humanity, open your hearts, make you true and steady to work for the immense change which must come, whether we exert ourselves or not. For the work of the Lord does not wait for the like of you or me. He can raise His workers from the dust by hundreds and by thousands. It is a glory and a privilege that we are allowed to work at all under Him.

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« Reply #1976 on: August 02, 2016, 06:48:37 AM »
Swami Vivekananda's speech in Calcutta continued....
From this the idea expands. As you have pointed out to me, we have to conquer the world. That we have to! India must conquer the world, and nothing less than that is my ideal. It may be very big, it may astonish many of you, but it is so. We must conquer the world or die. There is no other alternative. The sign of life is expansion; we must go out, expand, show life, or degrade, fester, and die. There is no other alternative. Take either of these, either live or die. Now, we all know about the petty jealousies and quarrels that we have in our country. Take my word, it is the same everywhere. The other nations with their political lives have foreign policies. When they find too much quarrelling at home, they look for somebody abroad to quarrel with, and the quarrel at home stops. We have these quarrels without any foreign policy to stop them. This must be our eternal foreign policy, preaching the truths of our Sh?stras to the nations of the world. I ask you who are politically minded, do you require any other proof that this will unite us as a race? This very assembly is a sufficient witness.

Secondly, apart from these selfish considerations, there are the unselfish, the noble, the living examples behind us. One of the great causes of India's misery and downfall has been that she narrowed herself, went into her shell as the oyster does, and refused to give her jewels and her treasures to the other races of mankind, refused to give the life-giving truths to thirsting nations outside the Aryan fold. That has been the one great cause; that we did not go out, that we did not compare notes with other nations ? that has been the one great cause of our downfall, and every one of you knows that that little stir, the little life that you see in India, begins from the day when Raja Rammohan Roy broke through the walls of that exclusiveness. Since that day, history in India has taken another turn, and now it is growing with accelerated motion. If we have had little rivulets in the past, deluges are coming, and none can resist them. Therefore we must go out, and the secret of life is to give and take. Are we to take always, to sit at the feet of the Westerners to learn everything, even religion? We can learn mechanism from them. We can learn many other things. But we have to teach them something, and that is our religion, that is our spirituality. For a complete civilisation the world is waiting, waiting for the treasures to come out of India, waiting for the marvellous spiritual inheritance of the race, which, through decades of degradation and misery, the nation has still clutched to her breast. The world is waiting for that treasure; little do you know how much of hunger and of thirst there is outside of India for these wonderful treasures of our forefathers. We talk here, we quarrel with each other, we laugh at and we ridicule everything sacred, till it has become almost a national vice to ridicule everything holy. Little do we understand the heart-pangs of millions waiting outside the walls, stretching forth their hands for a little sip of that nectar which our forefathers have preserved in this land of India. Therefore we must go out, exchange our spirituality for anything they have to give us; for the marvels of the region of spirit we will exchange the marvels of the region of matter. We will not be students always, but teachers also. There cannot be friendship without equality, and there cannot be equality when one party is always the teacher and the other party sits always at his feet. If you want to become equal with the Englishman or the American, you will have to teach as well as to learn, and you have plenty yet to teach to the world for centuries to come. This has to be done. Fire and enthusiasm must be in our blood. We Bengalis have been credited with imagination, and I believe we have it. We have been ridiculed as an imaginative race, as men with a good deal of feeling. Let me tell you, my friends, intellect is great indeed, but it stops within certain bounds. It is through the heart, and the heart alone, that inspiration comes. It is through the feelings that the highest secrets are reached; and therefore it is the Bengali, the man of feeling, that has to do this work.

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« Reply #1977 on: August 02, 2016, 06:56:46 AM »
Swami Vivekananda's speech in Calcutta continued....
उत्तिष्ठत जाग्रत प्राप्य वरान्निबोधत। ? Arise, awake and stop not till the desired end is reached. Young men of Calcutta, arise, awake, for the time is propitious. Already everything is opening out before us. Be bold and fear not. It is only in our scriptures that this adjective is given unto the Lord ? Abhih, Abhih. We have to become Abhih, fearless, and our task will be done. Arise, awake, for your country needs this tremendous sacrifice. It is the young men that will do it. "The young, the energetic, the strong, the well-built, the intellectual" ? for them is the task. And we have hundreds and thousands of such young men in Calcutta. If, as you say, I have done something, remember that I was that good-for-nothing boy playing in the streets of Calcutta. If I have done so much, how much more will you do! Arise and awake, the world is calling upon you. In other parts of India, there is intellect, there is money, but enthusiasm is only in my motherland. That must come out; therefore arise, young men of Calcutta, with enthusiasm in your blood. This not that you are poor, that you have no friends. Ay! who ever saw money make the man? It is man that always makes money. The whole world has been made by the energy of man, by the power of enthusiasm, by the power of faith.
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I have done nothing as yet; you have to do the task. If I die tomorrow the work will not die. I sincerely believe that there will be thousands coming up from the ranks to take up the work and carry it further and further, beyond all my most hopeful imagination ever painted. I have faith in my country, and especially in the youth of my country. The youth of Bengal have the greatest of all tasks that has ever been placed on the shoulders of young men. I have travelled for the last ten years or so over the whole of India, and my conviction is that from the youth of Bengal will come the power which will raise India once more to her proper spiritual place. Ay, from the youth of Bengal, with this immense amount of feeling and enthusiasm in the blood, will come those heroes who will march from one corner of the earth to the other, preaching and teaching the eternal spiritual truths of our forefathers. And this is the great work before you. Therefore, let me conclude by reminding you once more, "Arise, awake and stop not till the desired end is reached." Be not afraid, for all great power, throughout the history of humanity, has been with the people. From out of their ranks have come all the greatest geniuses of the world, and history can only repeat itself. Be not afraid of anything. You will do marvellous work. The moment you fear, you are nobody. It is fear that is the great cause of misery in the world. It is fear that is the greatest of all superstitions. It is fear that is the cause of our woes, and it is fearlessness that brings heaven even in a moment. Therefore, "Arise, awake, and stop not till the goal is reached."

Gentlemen, allow me to thank you once more for all the kindness that I have received at your hands. It is my wish ? my intense, sincere wish ? to be even of the least service to the world, and above all to my own country and countrymen

It is not for nothing that Sri Ramakrishna had such a high regard for his disciple almost bordering on worship.
Namaskar

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« Reply #1978 on: August 02, 2016, 09:10:46 AM »
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There is difference between the Ganga and the Nile! There is a spirit in the rituals. I can never wear a shoe and enter a shrine for a prayer. So many such things are so unique to our country. Sri Ravi, i too have lived in a foreign country for some time during my past working days, but i missed the filthy Coovam smell as well, there is some thing in this mud of our great country that i did not find any where. Each bit of the mud and sand has something in it, it is Veda. Had I seen Ramana in a foreign country as well I would have still come back to this country. This Land is not just a land, this land is much more than that. This land is graces by Sages our ancestors.

Nagaraj

The following are  excerpts from India My Love', excerpts from Osho's writings and talk and I am sure it express the same sentiments that you have written :

India is not a piece of land or some political entity or a part of some historical facts. It is not a mad race for money, power, position and prestige. India is a longing, a thirst to attain truth - the truth that resides in every heartbeat of ours, the truth that is lying asleep under the layer of our consciousness, the truth that is ours but yet forgotten. Its remembrance, its reclamation, is India.

The days of the Upanishads in this land were the most glorious. The only search, the only seeking, the only longing, was to know oneself - no other ambition ruled mankind. Riches, success, power, everything was absolutely mundane. Those who were ambitious, those who were running after riches, those who wanted to be powerful were considered to be psychologically sick. And those who were really healthy psychologically, spiritually healthy, their only search was to know oneself and to be oneself and to declare to the whole universe the innermost secret. That secret is contained in this statement, ''Aham Brahmasmi''.
However many holy words you read, however many you speak, what good will they do you if you do not act on upon them? - Buddha

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« Reply #1979 on: August 02, 2016, 09:45:42 AM »
Friends,
August 15th is the birthday of free India.  It is also Sri Aurobindo's birthday.  On this day in 1947 Sri Aurobindo gave a message to the nation on the All India Radio,Tiruchirapalli.  Sri Aurobindo outlined in the message his prophetic vision for India, for the globe and for humanity.
 
"August 15th is the birthday of free India.  It marks for her the end of an old era, the beginning of a new age.  But it has significance not only for us, but for Asia and the whole world, for it signifies the entry into the comity of nations of a new power with untold potentialities which has a great part to play in determining the political, social, cultural and spiritual future of humanity. . . "
 
Sri Aurobindo continued,
 
I have always held and said that India was rising, not to serve her own material interest only, to achieve expansion, greatness, power and prosperity, -- though these too she must not neglect--, and certainly not like others to acquire domination of other peoples, but to live also for God and the world as a helper and a leader of the whole human race.
 
Sri Aurobindo foresaw that India?s spiritual teaching will enter the West in an ever increasing measure.
 
The spiritual gift of India to the world has already begun.  India's   spirituality is entering Europe and America in an ever increasing measure. That movement will grow; amid the disasters of the time more and more eyes are turning towards her with hope and there is even an increasing resort not only to her teachings, but to her psychic and spiritual practice.

The Complete message of Sri Aurobindo is here:
http://www.aurosociety.org/sri-aurobindo-mother/august-message.aspx

It may be noted that it was in 1893 Swamiji went to the U.S.A and in the very same year Sri Aurobindo returned to India from UK ...in 1897 Swamiji delivers the colombo to Almora speeches travelling the entire stretch of India .....In 1893 Paramahansa Yogananda is born and he later on travels to the West....in 1896 Sri Bhagavan comes to Tiruvannamalai.
All these are the workings of the Universal spirit .....manifestation of the spiritual revival of the world at large(India included).

Swami Krishnananda(Divine Life Society) has somewhere described how the very ideal of Sannyasa has been revived and renewed by Swami Vivekananda...I will try to locate that and post it here.
Namaskar.
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