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« Reply #1785 on: March 15, 2016, 06:51:38 AM »



The standard example of a Jnani also enjoying material riches (Ikaloka sukha) is Janaka.
Sri Ramakrishna used to say that Janaka drinks milk from two cups!  A Jnani does not care for
ikaloka sukha but it sometimes comes out of its own accord by divine will.  Such pleasures
which came in his way, without asking, does not in any way belittle his state of Atma Jnana.

Once a devotee who had seen Bhagavan Ramana in Virupakshi
Cave eating only cold rice and lying on a stone-bench came to
see Him again after 20 years.  Now he saw Bhagavan Ramana
sitting on a sofa with pillows and eating hot food served at stroke
of the bell, with incense throwing up nice fragrance around His sofa
all the time.  Somehow, these 'scenes' did not satisfy the devotee.
He came to Bhagavan and said:  "Swami, You have been spoiled!"
Bhagavan Ramana readily answered:  "Yes, Yes, I have been spoiled!"   
The devotee was satisfied and he left the place.
Others in the Old Hall, were murmuring as to why Bhagavan
should say this.  Bhagavan Ramana knew their minds and said:
"What wrong did I do?  In Virupaksha Cave as well as in Asramam
now, "I' has been spoiled (beyond redemption).  And that is all
I meant."  All the devotees laughed.

Bhagavan Ramana has said to Annamalai Swami:  The good benefits
that are accruing to you without your desire-ship or doer-ship,
you can enjoy since they do not create any further 'agami' sin
for you.

Arunachala Siva.

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« Reply #1786 on: March 15, 2016, 04:20:56 PM »
Dear Sir, I wish to know Janaka King you have mentioned is same the one who was father of Sita (of Ramayana)?

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« Reply #1787 on: March 16, 2016, 01:29:47 PM »
ANNAMALAI SWAMI - ESSENTIALS

Don?t allocate periods of time to meditate ?I am? with closed eyes. Do it throughout the day while doing all other activities.

If you want to go beyond the body and mind, abide in the ?I am? only and understand that all that is ?I am? plus is false.

Abidance or meditation in the ?I am? is a process by which attention is kept focused on the substratum instead of the names and forms that are habitually imposed on it.

When you abide in the ?I am? ignorance vanishes. Ignorance is not knowing the ?I am? in its absolute purity.

- LWB
However many holy words you read, however many you speak, what good will they do you if you do not act on upon them? - Buddha

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« Reply #1788 on: March 16, 2016, 07:52:46 PM »
Truth need not hurt

An illumined love which never degenerates into attachment, A superior dignity untainted by the least trace of pride, a sublime wisdom which sheds light but not scorching heat - these elements characterize true greatness, a spontaneous synthesis of truth and love, of strength and grace.

The truly great ones are whole and wholesome, not the victims of partial and mutually incompatible virtues so much apparent in lesser men. Their life as well as words reveal a fascinating harmony of rare qualities. Witness the struggles of the aspirant in whom one virtue can hardly co-exist with another; whose truth hurts, whose frankness is obviously 'brutal', whose sincerity is embarrassing, whose strength is withering, or whose sympathy and compassion only serve to encourage weaknesses.

It needs a perfected soul to harmonize strength and grace even under the most delicate and provocative of circumstances; and precisely one such was the Buddha, the Blessed One.

On one occasion his dear and remarkable disciple, Sariputra, approached the Guru in an exalted mood of adoration. After saluting reverently he took his seat by the Master's side and burst into a high eulogy: "Lord! There is none greater than you, the Blessed One; there never has been any, there never will be, and none other exists now - greater or wiser. That is what I think; that is my faith."

The Blessed One was free to accept this praise and adoration, coming as it did from a sincere heart; free to approve of it and bask in its welcome warmth - the way many lesser teachers are often tempted to do.

Or like certain stern 'impersonalists'  he could have over-reacted, coming down heavily on the disciple and reduced him to pulp with stinging words and ridicule-' None of the personality cult!'

One way he could have inflated his own ego; the other way he could have broken and crushed that of the disciple. He did something infinitely better; made both shine out better.

Gently and calmly, he just put a counter-question: "Is that so Sariputra? Grand and bold indeed is your assertion. That means you have obviously known all the Blessed Ones of the whole past, and that thoroughly?"

Honest that he was, Sariputra would not try to defend his position emotionally. Plain was his answer. "How can I say that, Lord? I can't."

A little pause, and the Buddha again inquired: "Then you must surely have known all the Blessed Ones yet to come, and that perfectly?"

Sariputra might have felt embarrassed but that did not come in the way of his truthfulness. So he replied:  "Not so, O Lord! I have not."

A little more pause and the Blessed One asked: "But then, at least you know me as the holy Buddha now alive, and you have penetrated my mind fully and completely?"

Sariputra could only say, "No Lord! Not that even."

The very nature of the question-answer process was enough to awaken the needed perspective in Sariputra's mind. That done, the Buddha clinched the issue saying, "You see then, Sariputra! You know not the hearts of the Buddhas of the past nor the future- nor even of myself. How then can you make such a grand and bold statement?"

Sariputra admitted that his statement was not based on knowledge of facts but on his own deep faith, and tried to explain himself.

"Great is your faith, Sariputra," declared the Blessed One appreciatively, yet at the same time adding the warning, "but take heed that it is well-grounded."

The superior teacher, the right kind of Guru he was, the Buddha would not destroy the disciple's faith nor allow it to run in wrong channels. He would not allow the other great ones to be belittled; but neither would he unnecessarily belittle himself, nor would he make the disciple feel small.

All concerned would be borne aloft by the uplifting breeze of gentle wisdom.

So it is no wonder that he declared on another occasion, "Those that take refuge in me with faith and devotion will get Svarga, paradise. Those who, with full faith, will follow my Dharma (the path of Truth) will become Buddhas like me."

Profiles in Greatness-by Swami Satrananda published by Ramakrishna Mutt,chennai
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« Reply #1789 on: March 16, 2016, 09:25:15 PM »
Truly wonderful post Sri Ravi!

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॥ शांतमात्मनि तिष्ट ॥
Remain quietly in the Self.
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« Reply #1790 on: March 17, 2016, 05:43:40 AM »
Well said.  Every ashram and religious centre will have Sariputras. The Buddhas approach to Sariputra is by inquiry. Bhagawan said 'there are no Jnanis, only jnanam'.  It follows that so called teachings and Jnanis are only different manifestations of Jnanam, the one universal source. Very few understand that.

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« Reply #1791 on: March 17, 2016, 06:37:51 AM »
Nagaraj/Sadhak/Friends,
There is this fundamental difference between 'admiration' and 'adoration'....Admiration is an exultation of the mind that admits differences so as to put the 'object of admiration' above all other objects........Adoration is a thing of the heart which dissolves the 'subject' and sees no object........it does not see any differences.Adoration thus sees the beloved in everything........it beholds the unity in diversity.

In many Hymns of saints......there is the oft repeated phrase.....நாயினும் கடையேன்(worse than a cur)..................Why do the saints use this phrase? ...........Why do they not say 'worse than a pig' or anything of that sort?....................Why say 'நாயினும் கடையேன்'?....................It is not to demean any animal be it a dog or a pig or whatever.............The phrase is used to say that a dog can scent it's master irrespective of whatever guise he may come in..............The dog is simply not fooled by the appearance of its master........................and traces and recognizes the master by his 'scent'.............................so..........'நாயினும் கடையேன்' means that one is worse than a dog- in that one is not in a position to recognize God although there is nothing other than god in all that one sees ,hears,touches........................The Great ones pray that they be vouchsafed the ability of the 'dog' ...........the manner in which it is able to sniff the scent..........this is devotion.Without this ability,all efforts are futile...........when this scent is smelt.......there is adoration sans admiration.

In akshara maNa mAlai ,verse 39 Sri Bhagavan wonderfully says:ஞமலியிற் கேடா நானென் னுறுதியா னாடிநின் னுறுவே னருணாசலா.

Instead of saying that he is 'worse than a dog' .......he questions 'Am I worse than a Dog?'...............He says:"Am I worse than a Dog?.......I shall firmly and steadfastly seek the 'i'(like the dog traces the scent of its master) and attain Thee,O Arunachala!"

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« Reply #1792 on: March 17, 2016, 06:54:32 AM »

A discourser in Chennai has listed ten types of meritorious
acts, vide the Hindu.

1. Patience
2. Honesty in mind, word and body.
3. Fear of sinning.
4. A great liking for virtue.
5. Control of the outgoing mind.
6. Generosity to the extent one can afford.
7. Siva archanai, i.e. telling Siva's names in front of Siva Lingam
    or a photograph, with flowers, fruits and water and leaves.
8.  Penance to control the mind-body consciousness.
9.  Meditation on Siva's form or simply on Effulgence.
10.Desisting from harming anyone in life.

Arunachala Siva. 

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« Reply #1793 on: March 17, 2016, 07:31:28 AM »
Dear Ravi,

Quite right. Using your terminology, Admiration is therefore an obstacle to adulation. Admiration only builds up attachment to the physical personality of a particular jnani/Buddha.  It is a mental activity. In course of time it must lead to misery as happened for example to some disciples of Bhagawan who felt lost after his samadhi.

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« Reply #1794 on: March 17, 2016, 08:39:49 AM »

A discourser in Chennai has listed ten types of meritorious
acts, vide the Hindu.

1. Patience
2. Honesty in mind, word and body.
3. Fear of sinning.
4. A great liking for virtue.
5. Control of the outgoing mind.
6. Generosity to the extent one can afford.
7. Siva archanai, i.e. telling Siva's names in front of Siva Lingam
    or a photograph, with flowers, fruits and water and leaves.
8.  Penance to control the mind-body consciousness.
9.  Meditation on Siva's form or simply on Effulgence.
10.Desisting from harming anyone in life.

Arunachala Siva.

Thanks Subramaniam Sir for sharing this useful info .
However many holy words you read, however many you speak, what good will they do you if you do not act on upon them? - Buddha

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« Reply #1795 on: March 17, 2016, 09:02:35 AM »
Buddhist Quote

?The Buddha is not going to project you to Buddhahood, as if throwing a stone. He is not going to purify you, as if washing a dirty cloth, nor is he going to cure you of ignorance, like a doctor administering medicine to a passive patient.
Having attained full enlightenment himself, he is showing you the path, and it is up to you to follow it or not. It is up to you now to practice these teachings and experience their results.?
~ H.H. Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche
However many holy words you read, however many you speak, what good will they do you if you do not act on upon them? - Buddha

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« Reply #1796 on: March 18, 2016, 12:38:55 PM »
Today is Munaiaduvar Nayanar's liberation day. 

Day of liberation - Panguni  month, Pushyam  star day.

I have already given the story of Munaiaduvar in the first round of covering the liberation days of
63 Saiva Saints.  I request the members to go through the same.

Arunachala Siva.

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« Reply #1797 on: March 19, 2016, 06:03:50 PM »

"Pray in any way,
for the Lord hears even the footfall of an ant."

Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa

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« Reply #1798 on: March 20, 2016, 06:51:29 AM »


A Saint,  if he is truly a Brahmajnani does not commit any sin.  And he is above sin and merits.
In stories, we see only a sinner becoming a saint, as in the cases of Valmiki and Arunagiri Natha.
A saint becoming a sinner is almost nil.  There may be a couple of cases, like Sage Viswamitra
who got enamoured with Menaka, and started a life of conjugal bliss.  Even here, it is not a sin
but an error, and it caused only a reversal of the merits of his penance.  He had to start the penance
all over again when he realized his error.

Bhagavan Ramana has said:  If someone causes misery for a Jnani, he takes over the sins/errors
if any of the Jnani and Jnani becomes a clean slate.  If on the other hand if a devotee causes happiness
for a Jnani, like giving food, medicines etc., then such a devotee takes over the merits of a Jnani.
Because a Jnani does not need any merits for him.

Arunachala Siva


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« Reply #1799 on: March 20, 2016, 06:59:32 AM »
Dear Subramanian,

Sins and merits are in the mind (ego).  For a jnani with no ego (after Mano Nasha) there is no entity left to accumulate good and bad karmas.