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« Reply #1680 on: December 14, 2015, 11:59:46 AM »

W.E. Channing who was a close friend of Thoreau and his first biographer, commented after
his death that, "No man had a better unfinished life."  For what are we to make of a man with
great talents who apparently loafed his way through life?  One of the most memorable statements
of Thoreau concerned this very issue, "If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps
it is because, he hears a different drummer. Let his step to the music which he hears, however
measured or far away."  [Thoreau's Walden].

Here was a person who in the face of social and peer pressure resolutely 'listened to his inner call'
and fulfilled his 'swadharma', not as someone who visibly accomplished something in the world,
but one who walked on the woods and observed the beauty and precision of nature.  "I went to
the words because I wished to live deliberately, to front only the essential facts of life, and see if I
could not learn what it had to teach, and not, when I came to die, discover that I had not lived."
His insights and lucid descriptions have inspired generations of writers too numerous to list
here.

Thoreau's example challenges us to ask what then does it mean to lead a fulfilled life in which all
one's virtues and skills are exercised to the limit of human possibility?  Is it in the accumulation of
wealth, social power and respect by one's peers?  Is it in doing good deeds and helping the less fortunate?


So the question here is why so much as how.  How can we lead a simpler life in this day and age
with its superfluity of impressions, desires and fears brutally shoved into our faces by inane
electronic equipments in our homes as well as at work? We do have a choice and it is not necessarily
a radical one of renouncing the world and living in association with an ashram or similar institution.
Our daily life is composed of small choices over which we have some degree of control.

We do have choice whether or not to switch on a television, we have a choice and can say no when
offered the latest gadget which will make us the envy of our friends.  Even in situations,
where we have no manoeuvre, we still have a choice whether to indulge in despair or anger, or
remain calm.

(Source: As indicated in Part I of the Power of the Presence)

Arunachala Siva.

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« Reply #1681 on: December 16, 2015, 06:54:41 AM »




One needs outside help, till we understand and arrive at that state of non-dualism.
It starts from the womb.  Suppose mother denies that the food she eats should not go to
the child in the womb and the child should take care of its problem, can the child survive?
Can you cure your stomach pain or cataract in the eye by meditating within?  Don't you need
a doctor outside?  This outside help from God or Guru is called Grace. With people
in the world it is called love or compassion.

There is a story about Ribhu Gita, Tamizh translation, by Ulaganatha Swamigal, [Bhikshu Sastrigal].
He completed Ribhu Gita, with no invocation song on God, no mention about God throughout the book!  Nataraja wanted to teach him a lesson.  As soon as he completed the book, he became blind.
He suffered for a while.  Then slowly he started praying to Nataraja of Chidambaram. Nataraja
appeared in his dream, and told him:  Have you become that great to write a book
without seeking Vinayaka's help and my grace?  Include an invocation song and also as a punishment,
you add a song on me, at the end of each chapter of Ribhu Gita.  Ulaganatha Swamigal dictated these
songs and asked his disciple to write them out at the end of each chapter and then submitted the entire
work to Siva Nataraja of Chidambaram and prayed.  He got back his eye sight!  This is mentioned
graphically in Sri Ramansramam's book and also in the wonderful English verse translation by
Dr. H. Ramamoorthy and Nome by Society for Abidance in Truth, SAT, California. 

Arunachala Siva. 

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« Reply #1682 on: December 18, 2015, 06:58:04 AM »

Gaudapada Karika:

ALATA SHANTI - can be understood in two different ways.
And that is how Sankara interprets.

FIRE - Thoughts emanating from the mind.
THE BURNING STICK - Mind.

Another way:

FIRE - Thought emanating from the mind.
THE BURNING STICK - Mind.
The QUENCHED FIRE WHERE STICK ALONE REMAINS - the Self.

The Stick is just is.  It has no form, no mind, no thoughts.

Bhagavan Ramana and earlier Sankara said in Vivekachoodamani, that mano-nasam is moksham.
Staying in thoughtless state permanently is liberation.

Arunachala Siva.

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« Reply #1683 on: December 20, 2015, 06:44:31 AM »

Happiness or Sukam is from the world.  Anandam or Bliss is from Atma Jnana and self realization.
The worldly pursuits and achievements thereof, would confer one happiness and this is achieved
by valor, book learning, great karmas etc.,  But this only ends up in misery and death.

Duryodhana and Ravana had great valor.  Ravana had additional qualification of Vedic-music and
book learning.  But they had  vainglorious death.  But Vidhura had Atma Jnana and he did not
even take part in the war.  Arjuna forgot the Jnana conferred by Krishna after the war and Atma
Jnana Upadesa had to be taught to him again later by Krishna.  (See Srimad Bhagavatam)

Sukam or Bliss comes only from Atma Jnana.  And that is why great Jnanis like Bhagavan Ramana
and Guhai Namasivaya in Tiruvannamalai lived a life of simplicity, without even enamored
by siddhic powers.

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« Reply #1684 on: December 20, 2015, 10:14:56 AM »
Vayilar Nayanar:

Margazhi - Revathi Star Dau - Day of Liberation:

In the Pallava kingdom which was a kingdom for wisdom, is the town Mayilappur (Mayilai, Mayilapuri)
which is now part of the big city Chennai . The place where Tiru Jnana Sambandhar brought the gir
Pumpavai back to life from her ashes by the grace of Lord Siva.


The ripples in the sea appear to bring pearl in huge quantities. The red rising Sun in the sky will appear
as the kumkum on the forehead of women. The white moon in the sky appear to be anointing with the
milk of its rays the temple of the Lord who is propitiated by the milk and other four substances from
cow. The sound of the human tides that come to pray in His temple appear to overpower the sound
of the ocean. The formless Lord, in that temple appear in the form of symbol for the benefit of creatures.

In that town came the Yogi called Vayilar to give fame for that old tradition called Vayilar. His life is an example for the hymn of Tirunavukkarasar in which he says " For the Lord of Tiruvaiyaru there is no
temple other than the minds of the servants who serve Him; love Him; prostrate in front of Him."
Vayilar built that attractive temple for the Lord who is attractive in spite of the He being simple with
snakes and skulls as the ornaments.

He built that temple out of his non-forgetting thinking and brought the God in the altar; his feeling of
that First Relative became the bright light that illuminates the altar and chases away the gloom;
the eternal bliss became the scented water to anoint the Almighty; for that Lord of justice his love
was the offering; his service was the songs of praise for that Sankar . With his heart blossom and
flourish in that prayer, he involved in the Eldest with the completeness of his offering that comes out
of his flawless love everyday.

The ultimate goal of the devotee would be to involve himself completely in that bliss called Siva.
A devotee with that involvement is in the state of liberation and he will aspire for nothing further.
The Yoga of Vayilar's internal worship continued without any break. He attained the greatest prize
that all the Yogis look for - merging the holy feet of the Greatest Yogi who sits in the shade of the
Banyan tree. Let the Greatest Yogi who sits in the shade of the Banyan tree. Let the greatness
of the internal worship of Vayilar Nayanar stay in the mind.


Arunachala Siva.
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« Reply #1685 on: December 20, 2015, 11:07:29 AM »
Dear sir.                                 ,                                                               where did vailar nayanar built.temple.I have seen his sannadhi is in kapaleeswarar temple praharam.                            Ramanaduli           

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« Reply #1686 on: December 21, 2015, 10:52:53 AM »
Dear ramanaduli,

I am not aware correctly.  There is one temple on the way from to the Temple.  It is a small
temple of Siva and they call it as one built by  him.

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« Reply #1687 on: December 22, 2015, 06:08:24 AM »
Dear sir.                                                                                             Thanks

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« Reply #1688 on: December 28, 2015, 07:00:07 AM »



There is a small town called Suruttapalli, near Kanchipuram. There is a Siva temple there.  Here
Siva is in a different form, which is rare.  Here He is lying like Mahavishnu, on the laps of Uma. 
The Puranic story goes that after consuming halahala poison, Siva became tired and was resting,
keeping his head on the laps of Uma.  This Siva temple also follows some different procedure. 
They place shadari [paduka] on your head and give you only spoons of water.  No vibhuti.  No
breaking of coconuts.

This Siva temple was renovated some years back, by Kanchi Kamakoti Math.  When Kanchi Sri Chandrasekhara went to that temple, he composed a Sanskrit verse:  "O Father! Please take rest.
You have done something which even Vishnu could not do.  You have driven out the fears of devas
about the poison.  Please wake up early and bless us all."

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« Reply #1689 on: December 30, 2015, 06:48:43 AM »


Alata Shanti in Gaudapada Karika:

ALATA SHANTI - can be understood in two different ways.
And that is how Sankara interprets.

FIRE - Thoughts emanating from the mind.
THE BURNING STICK - Mind.

Another way:

FIRE - Thought emanating from the mind.
THE BURNING STICK - Mind.
The QUENCHED FIRE WHERE STICK ALONE REMAINS - the Self.

The Stick is just is.  It has no form, no mind, no thoughts.

Bhagavan Ramana and earlier Sankara said in Vivekachoodamani, that mano-nasam is moksham.
Staying in thoughtless state permanently is liberation.

Arunachala Siva.

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« Reply #1690 on: December 31, 2015, 06:28:24 AM »





Perseverance is the only way.  Mind does not chatter in deep sleep.  It chats un-inturruptedly while one is awake or in dreams.  Western philosophers and psycho analaysts like Freud, did some
research only about wakeful state and dream state.  They were trying to give some sleeping tablets
for sleep.  It is Gaudapada who attacked the problem in his famous Gaudapada Karika and his
commentary on Mandukya Upanishad.  He is the man who had gone much more beyond the Western
psychologists and told about the inter-relationship between Jagrat, Swapna and Sushupti states.

Perseverance is the only way. One suggestion that Bhagavan had said:  If you cannot control your thoughts, please hold on to one thought.  One nama of god.  This is the only other way to control our thoughts.   

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« Reply #1691 on: December 31, 2015, 01:54:52 PM »
Today is Luci Ma's liberation day. She came to Bhagavan and spent quite a number of years.
She absorbed the teachings of Bhagavan.  She took ill and breathed her last in Tirunvannamalai,
and merged in Arunachala.  She is called Lucy Cornesslon.

His daughter (we call her Luci Ma's daughter) came to Tiruvannamalai to take care of her mother.
She lives in the Asramam even today.

I shall write more details about Luci Ma once I get them.

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« Reply #1692 on: January 01, 2016, 11:08:29 AM »
Iyarpakai Nayanar:

Date of union with Siva -Margazhi - Uththiram star.

One of the ancient cities of the world which was the capital of the early Chozha kings, the city in which
the river Kaveri enters into the sea, that famous town was called Kavirippumpattinam or Pukar.
That being the capital on the shore was a very big trade center.


The leading businessman of that town, owner of boundless properties, but slave for the people
who do true slavery to the crescent ornated God with matted hair, who never says "no" to the
devotees who asked for something but gives much before they ask for, called Iyarpakaiyar.
(contradictor to the normal behavior (of the world)). While Iyarpakaiyar was leading the married life
serving the Lord, God came in the form of a devotee who chants the holy Vedas in order to exhibit
that the dedication of Iyarpakaiyar never derails. With a face like the blossomed lotus he gave Him a
warm welcome. He told Iyarpakaiyar that if he is ready to give whatever he is going to ask for He will
tell what He wants. Immediately Iyarpakaiyar replied, "If I have anything that you ask for, that is yours.
No doubt in it. Please ask". The Lord who had concealed Himself in the form of devotee asked for his wife.

Iyarpakaiyar replied, "I am glad that I have the thing you asked for" He told his wife, who was the form of chaste and had a never down going love for her husband, that he gave her to the devotee. She was petrified with shock. She was worried but consoled herself and told him, "If that be your wish I consider that as my duty" and bowed down. iIarpakaiyar admiring her love and chaste heart bowed down in response.
She excelled anything else by her deed.

Iyarpakaiyar bowed to the Lord and asked what else he can do for Him. The Lord asked him to escort Him (!) so that He is not attacked by His relatives. Nayanar told I should have done it even before you told me. He took his sword and shield and went with the devotee and his wife like the royal lion that goes out for hunting. The relatives of iyarpakaiyAr and his wife were irked by the act of Iyarpakaiyar and decided "Iyarpakai
has become crazy and somebody is taking away the girl. We won't allow it to happen". They all set out with their weapons and besieged them in the outskirts of the town. The Lord shivered as if He was scared, but the girl of great deed said, "Don't worry, Iyarpakai will win". Iyarpakaiyar warned them to run away and get spared. But they scolded him for bringing bad name to the entire family by sending his wife with a third person. They tried to attack the God in the devotee form. Angered by their intention to attack the devotee Iyarpakaiyar raised his sword against his own relatives and the entire group was killed by him and he, whose head had the crown of the holy feet of Lord Siva, went around without anybody to oppose.
iyarpakaiyAr told the devotee that there is no need to be afraid. The chaste-hearted lady and he followed the holy feet of the Lord which were unseen by even Brahma and Vishnu. As they approached the place Chaykkadu , He told Iyarpakaiyar to return. Nayanar bowed down and returned without turning back. The Lord pleased by his true devotion shouted loud, "Oh! Iyarpakai, who did the deed which is unimaginable ! come immediately!!". Iyarpakaiyar rushed back in a moment to see if anybody else escaped and give trouble to the devotee. He didn't see the devotee and saw only the lady. He saw the Lord Siva who and whose devotees are of greatness which is beyond the limit of expression. The Lord appeared on the Holy bull with Parvati like a creeper of Maragatham to His side. Nayanar didn't stand, fell down and praised that Honey with the words the competes with his love. The Lord told, "Your love is faultless and so are you. You and your flawless wife stay in our abode". With the flower rain of Devas, praise of all good thinking sages, they both got the boon of staying with and worshipping the God of Lords. Their relatives also entered the Heaven. Let the fame of Iyarpakaiyar of giving away even the wife, who is in fact more than one's own life stay in the mind.


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« Reply #1693 on: January 05, 2016, 06:31:02 AM »




Though the five sense organs of the body, each according to its capacity, perceives and comes
to know the objects of the world, through the senses, by the help of the aforesaid soul, yet they
cannot know the soul.  Like wise, the soul cannot by its powers of perception know the grace
of unique One who actuates it.  The five sense organs in the presence of the soul and correspondingly
the soul in the presence of the Primal Being, are merely like iron filings before a magnet.


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« Reply #1694 on: January 05, 2016, 06:34:48 AM »

Since, one says, "It is not this, not this," since he says "My body," since there is something
which knows things which may happen [as for example in a dream], when the five sense organs
are dormant, since during deep sleep, there exists something which, without ingesting the food,
and without action of any kind, since there is something, which understands when instructed  --
these goes to prove that there exists a soul in this body.

[This verse is a little tricky.  Saiva aphorism says about a 'soul' inside the body.  This is called Pasu,
literally a cow. But Advaitis say that this is only a mind-buddhi-ego-mindstuff -chittam, complex,
which does this and not the 'soul'. Because there are no individual souls and a Super Soul in Advaita.
But Saiva Siddhanta says that the individual soul is there till it merges with the Sivam.  It is this,
which activates the body in juxtaposition with anthakaranams, viz., mind, buddhi, mind stuff, chittam,
and ego, ahankaram.]


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