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« Reply #1560 on: September 21, 2015, 06:32:57 PM »


However many holy words you read, however many you speak, what good will they do you if you do not act on upon them? - Buddha

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« Reply #1561 on: September 21, 2015, 08:30:55 PM »
However many holy words you read, however many you speak, what good will they do you if you do not act on upon them? - Buddha

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« Reply #1562 on: September 22, 2015, 07:37:06 AM »


Bhava-bhakti or ardent devotion to Siva is the connecting string of all devotees of Siva in Periya Puranam.  This devotion is displayed by devotees treating Siva as Father, Guru, Mother, Child etc.,

Once Tiru Neela Nakka Nayanar and his wife went to Siva temple, for offering pujas.  In the inner
sanctum, when the puja was going on, Nayanar's wife saw spider crawling over the body of Siva.
She felt that the spider would harm Siva, so she gave a long exhalation by bending towards the image
to drive out the spider!  Neela Nakka got angry with his wife since she had caused sacrilege to Siva, by mouthing out the breath, full of dirty air and saliva.  He left her at the temple and came back home and
closed the doors denying entry for his wife.   In the night Siva appeared before him in a dream and said:
Look at my body, excepting for the area where your wife breathed out air, in all other places, the
spider had bitten me and it is all full of red scales!  Nakka woke up and understood his wife's bhava-bhakti
and her purpose. He came back to the temple and apologized to his wife, prostrated before Siva for the ill-treatment to his wife and both returned home.  This intense devotion is nothing but Sarangati in a
different form and this takes one closer to Godhead.

Once there was a gentleman, I think, Ramaswami Iyengar in the Asramam, who was devoted to Bhagavan Ramana to such an extent, that he did not even mention His name.  Once he saw a visitor addressing Bhagavan as Ramana.  He went and slapped him.  The visitor also understood the reason and apologized.

Arunachala Siva.

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« Reply #1563 on: September 22, 2015, 07:40:02 AM »

Words cannot express that state and that state can be attained either by reading everything or not
reading at all.  It all depends on one's prarabdha.  Surrender is difficult in the sense that it implies ego-destruction, and that ego renders its own destruction difficult.  For both Atma Vichara and Saranagati,
ego-destruction is a must.  This is the major hurdle.

When Sivaprakasam Pillai asked Bhagavan Ramana:  Who is the greatest among devotees,
bhaktas?  Bhagavan Ramana replies: One who gives himself up to God and be an Atma Nishtapara
is the greatest devotee,bhakta.  This "giving oneself up" means only annihilation of the ego.

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« Reply #1564 on: September 22, 2015, 10:35:01 AM »
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« Reply #1565 on: September 22, 2015, 01:43:50 PM »
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« Reply #1566 on: September 22, 2015, 06:25:05 PM »
Enathi Natha Nayanar - One of the 63 Saiva Saints:

The Guru Puja of Enathi Natha  Nayanar is celebrated in all Saiva Maths and homes.
He attained Siva's feet on the day of Purattsi Uthiradam day, that is tomorrow the 23rd September.

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In the plains of the Chozha  Kingdom is the town Eyianur. The fertility of that land was shown out
with the long grown sugar canes bending down to hand shake with the rice plant that grew targeting
the sky. To make the Eyianur enter the history came Enathi   in the Izha tradition as a commander
in the king's army. His sword would talk his valor, but his heart would talk the grace of ash smeared
Lord. The heaps of material that came appreciating his flawless valor was ever meant by him for serving
the needs of the devotees of the Lord who enjoys the devotion of the two who in vein tried to find
Its limits.



There was a man of stained thoughts too in that town by name Adichuran.  He too coming in the same
tradition as a fighter. He roamed around boasting there was none superior to him! In spite of his claim
that he was the best in the martial arts, very few students turned up to his school whereas people
preferred the school of the filled pot like Enathi.  This fact irked Aadhichuran. When the curtain of ego
comes thicker the truth gets more and more obscured. A fox when it claims it is a lion, it will not become a lion. The jealous went with his best students to Nayanar's place and called for a fight. Whoever wins
the fight only would be allowed to run the school, he shouted. Nayanar's students were away that time.
The valiant who came out as a roaring lion to his call, was joined by the powerful relatives. Some joined
with Adhichuran. The egotist said they could meet in the field and decide the authority to conduct
the school.

The two warrior groups met in the specified place. The display of the might started with two sides
colliding with the other shouting like the thunder. The sparks that rose at the meetings of their
weapons resembled the lightnings. The rain of blood poured. The fight was very tough with the loses
in both the sides. At this point the man of well cultivated valor rose like a lion to help his side.
The entire battle very soon took a turn with the side of the jealous loosing in front of the mountain
bowed Lord's devotee. His sword encircled the field like the rotating Sun. The other side lost its heart
unable to tackle his attack. Now Adhichuran, jumped in the field to boost his side. But can fox stand the
fight with lion?   He was defeated by the Nayanar soon and he ran away from the field.

More than the wounds on his body the deep wound called vengeance got roots in him. He was sure
by then that he can never defeat that devotee of valor and action fighting straight in the field.
His cowardly behviour, and vengeance led him to the sinful crooked thoughts. The dark minded fox
decided over the night to do a sin and call it a victory. The coward who was absconding with shame
sent across a message in the morning to the Nayanmar, that without the loss of other lives they both
could fight at some other place. The crookedness in the thought was given a kind-hearted over-coating.
Even the dharma gets used at the hands of the bad for bad things. The devotee who worships the
Lord Siva, the form of love, saw only the good in his proposal and agreed to it. Without informing the
relatives he keeping his words went to the spot designated for the fight with his sword and shield.
The cheat knowing that the devotee respects the Holy Ash more than his own life and that he would
never harm the people who smear that holy substance, smeared his forehead full with the white ash.
He never used to wear that holy symbol before!

The sight of the lion like devotee standing there frightened the crook. Cunningly he hid his forehead
with the shield and went to the spot. The lion roared and sprang to defeat down the fox. The wicked
removed the shield exposing his forehead full with Holy Ash. Nayanar was shocked at sight. He had never seen it in his forehead. The presence of the Holy Ash indicated that he had become a devotee of the
Lord of the Universe, he thought. So Naynar wanted him to accomplish what he wanted. He was about
to throw away his sword and shield, but thought in that case Adhichuran, would kill him when he was
without any arm. That would be a sin. Nayhnar did not want that sin to reach anybody in the form of
devotee. What a great man he is! How great and wide is his thinking!!  He was not only ready to sacrifice
his life for the glory of Holy Ash but above that did not want any bad mark on the opponent because
he was wearing it !? He stood as if he was fighting, but did not fight. The wicked did what he wanted to do. The Lord who destroyed the rites of dhakshan stood out. The highly revered Naynar got the boon of never separating from the Lord.

Let the remarkable thinking of Enathi Natha Nayanar in thinking good even for the opponent who wanted
to kill him, just because he had the sacred Saivite symbol stay in mind.

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Arunachala Siva.
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« Reply #1567 on: September 23, 2015, 10:26:35 PM »
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« Reply #1568 on: September 23, 2015, 10:36:10 PM »
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« Reply #1569 on: September 24, 2015, 06:35:08 AM »
Look here. If a man truly believes that God alone does everything, that He is the Operator and man the machine, then such a man is verily liberated in life. 'Thou workest Thine own work; men only call it theirs.' Do you know what it is like? Vedanta philosophy gives an illustration. Suppose you are cooking rice in a pot, with potato, eggplant, and other vegetables. After a while the potatoes, eggplant, rice, and the rest begin to jump about in the pot. They seem to say with pride: 'We are moving! We are jumping!' The children see it and think the potatoes, egg-plant, and rice are alive and so they jump that way. But the elders, who know, explain to the children that the vegetables and the rice are not alive; they jump not of themselves, but because of the fire under the pot; if you remove the burning wood from the hearth, then they will move no more. Likewise the pride of man, that he is the doer, springs from ignorance. Men are powerful because of the power of God. All becomes quiet when that burning wood is taken away. The puppets dance well on the stage when pulled by a wire, but they cannot move when the wire snaps.
A man will cherish the illusion that he is the doer as long as he has not seen God, as long as he has not touched the Philosopher's Stone. So long will he know the distinction between his good and bad actions. This awareness of distinction is due to God's maya; and it is necessary for the purpose of running His illusory world. But a man can realize God if he takes shelter under His vidyamaya and follows the path of righteousness. He who knows God and realizes Him is able to go beyond maya. He who firmly believes that God alone is the Doer and he himself a mere instrument is a jivanmukta, a free soul though living in a body.

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« Reply #1570 on: September 24, 2015, 06:44:42 AM »
Attitude of jnanis and bhaktas
He who is called Brahman by the jnanis is known as Atman by the yogis and as Bhagavan by the bhaktas. The same brahmin is called priest, when worshipping in the temple, and cook, when preparing a meal in the kitchen. The jnani sticking to the path of knowledge, always reasons about the Reality, saying, 'Not this, not this'. Brahman is neither 'this' nor 'that'; It is neither the universe nor its living beings. Reasoning in this way, the mind becomes steady. Then it disappears and the aspirant goes into samadhi. This is the knowledge of Brahman. It is the unwavering conviction of the jnani that Brahman alone is real and the world illusory. All these names and forms are illusory, like a dream. What Brahman is cannot be described. One cannot even say that Brahman is a Person. This is the opinion of the jnanis, the followers of Vedanta philosophy.
But the bhaktas accept all the states of consciousness. They take the waking state to be real also. They don't think the world to be illusory, like a dream. They say that the universe is a manifestation of God's power and glory. God has created all these - sky, stars, moon, sun, mountains, ocean, men, animals. They constitute His glory. He is within us, in our hearts. Again, He is outside. The most advanced devotees say that He Himself has become all this - the twenty-four cosmic principles, the universe, and all living beings. The devotee of God wants to eat sugar, not to become sugar. (All laugh.)
Do you know how a lover of God feels? His attitude is: 'O God, Thou are the Master, and I am Thy servant. Thou art the Mother, and I am Thy child.' Or again: 'Thou art my Father and Mother. Thou art the Whole, and I am a part.' He doesn't like to say, 'I am Brahman.'
Attitude of yogis
The yogi seeks to realize the Paramatman, the Supreme Soul. His ideal is the union of the embodied soul and the Supreme Soul. He withdraws his mind from sense objects and tries to concentrate it on the Paramatman. Therefore, during the first stage of his spiritual discipline, he retires into solitude and with undivided attention practises meditation in a fixed posture.
But the Reality is one and the same. The difference is only in name. He who is Brahman is verily Atman, and again, He is the Bhagavan. He is Brahman to the followers of the path of knowledge, Paramatman to the yogis, and Bhagavan to the lovers of God.

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« Reply #1571 on: September 24, 2015, 08:32:02 AM »


Conscious Immortality: Paul Brunton:

Q: What is renunciation?

Maharshi: Giving up the ego.

Q: Is it not giving up the possessions?

Maharshi: The possessor too.

(This has also appeared in Talks No, 164.)

Of the 62% of Brunton's notes that correspond to the material from Talks.  Of the 62% of notes, 67% of them
matches that text (Talks)  word-by-word.

Arunachala Siva. 

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« Reply #1572 on: September 24, 2015, 08:36:42 AM »
Silent Power - Anonymous:

When in ancient days even Sri Dakshinamurti, the Adi Guru, guru of all gurus was able to reveal
the truth of that one Self only through silence, the speechless speech, who else can reveal it through
speech?

In this connection, Sri Bhagavan once told the following story to Sri Muruganar.  When the four aged
Sanakadi Rishis first saw the sixteen year old Sri Dakshinamurti sitting under the banyan tree, they were at once attracted by him, understanding him to be the real Sadguru.

They approached him, did three pradakshinas around him, prostrated before him, sat at his feet
and began to ask very shrewd and pertinent questions about the nature of Reality and the means of
attaining it.  Because of the great compassion, and fatherly love (vatsalya) which he felt for his aged
disciples, the young Sri Dakshinamurti was overjoyed by their earnestness,wisdom and maturity, and
hence he gave apt replies to each of their questions. 

As he answered each consecutive question, further doubts rose in their minds and still they asked further questions.  Thus they continued to question Sri Dakshirnamurti for one whole year, and he continued
to clear their doubts through his compassionate answers. 

Finally, however, Sri Dakshinamurti understood that if he gave more answers to their questions more
doubts would arise in their minds and hence there would be no end to their ignorance (ajnana).
Therefore, suppressing even the feeling of compassion and fatherly love which was welling up within
him, he merged himself into the supreme silence.  Because of their great maturity (which had ripened to perfection through their year long association with the Sadguru), as soon as Sri Dakshinamurti thus
merged himself, they too were automatically merged within, into silence, the state of Self. 

Wonder-struck on hearing Sri Bhagavan narrating the story in this manner, Sri Muruganar remarked that in no book is it mentioned
that Sri Dakshinamurti ever spoke anything.  "But this is what actually happened" replied Sri Bhagavan. 

From the authoritative way in which Sri Bhagavan thus replied and from the clear and descriptive way
in which He had told the story, Sri Muruganar understood that Sri Bhagavan was none other than Sri Dakshinamurti Himself.

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« Reply #1573 on: September 24, 2015, 09:24:06 AM »
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« Reply #1574 on: September 25, 2015, 11:35:39 AM »
However many holy words you read, however many you speak, what good will they do you if you do not act on upon them? - Buddha