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« Reply #1245 on: December 05, 2014, 12:19:19 PM »
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« Reply #1246 on: December 05, 2014, 12:26:11 PM »
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« Reply #1247 on: December 09, 2014, 01:24:13 PM »
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« Reply #1248 on: December 15, 2014, 07:08:42 AM »
Different Masters but same Message



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« Reply #1249 on: December 16, 2014, 05:28:26 AM »
A man cannot get rid of body-consciousness as long as he is attached to worldly things and loves 'woman and gold'. As he becomes less and less attached to worldly things, he approaches nearer and nearer to the Knowledge of Self. He also becomes less and less conscious of his body. He attains Self-Knowledge when his worldly attachment totally disappears. Then he realizes that body and soul are two separate things. It is very difficult to separate with a knife the kernel of a coconut from the shell before the milk inside has dried up. When the milk dries up, the kernel rattles inside the shell. At that time it loosens itself from the shell. Then the fruit is called a dry coconut.

The sign of a man's having realized God is that he has become like a dry coconut. He has become utterly free from the consciousness that he is the body. He does not feel happy or unhappy with the happiness or unhappiness of the body. He does not seek the comforts of the body. He roams about in the world as a jivanmukta, one liberated in life. 'The devotee of Kali is a jivanmukta , full of Eternal Bliss.'


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« Reply #1250 on: December 16, 2014, 05:35:12 AM »
When you find that the very mention of God's name brings tears to your eyes and makes your hair stand on end, then you will know that you have freed yourself from attachment to 'woman and gold' and attained God. If the matches are dry, you get a spark by striking only one of them. But if they are damp, you don't get a spark even if you strike fifty. You only waste matches. Similarly, if your mind is soaked in the pleasure of worldly things, in 'woman and gold', then God-Consciousness will not be kindled in you. You may try a thousand times, but all your efforts will be futile. But no sooner does attachment to worldly pleasure dry up than the spark of God flashes forth.

The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna

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« Reply #1251 on: December 18, 2014, 12:13:54 PM »
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« Reply #1252 on: December 18, 2014, 08:07:35 PM »
THORNS DENIED PRICK NO LESS KEENLY

Once, finding it difficult to reconcile the contradictory doctrines of man's free will and God's grace two disciples of the Master went to him for a solution of the same. The Master said,
"Why do you talk, of free will? Everything is dependent upon the Lord's will. Our will is tied to the Lord's, like the cow to its tether. No doubt we have a certain amount of freedom even as the cow has, within a prescribed circle. So man thinks that his will is free. But know that his will is dependent on the Lord's."

Disciples: "Is there then no necessity of practising penance, meditation and the rest? For one can as well sit quiet and say, "It is all God's will; whatever is done, is done at His will."

Sri Ramakrishna: Oh! To what effect, if you simply say that in so many words? Any amount of your verbal denial of thorns can never save you from their painful prick when you place your hand on them. Had it been entirely with man to do spiritual practices according to his will, everybody would have done so. But no; everyone can't do it, and why? But there is one thing: If you don't utilize properly the amount of strength He has given you, He never gives more. That is why self-exertion is necessary. And so everyone has to struggle hard even to become fit for the grace of God. By such endeavour, and through His grace, the sufferings of many lives can be worked out in one life. But some self-effort is absolutely necessary. Let me tell you a story.
Once, Vishnu, the Lord of Goloka, cursed Narada, saying that he would be thrown into hell. At this Narada was greatly disturbed in mind; and he prayed to the Lord, singing songs of devotion, and begging Him to show where hell is and how one can go there. Vishnu then drew the map of the universe on the ground with a piece of chalk, representing the exact position of heaven and hell.
Then Narada said, pointing to the part marked 'hell', "Is it like this? This is hell then!" So saying he rolled himself on the spot and exclaimed he had undergone all the sufferings of hell. Vishnu smilingly asked, "How is that?" and Narada replied: "Why, Lord, are not heaven and hell Thy creation? When Thou didst draw the map of the universe Thyself and point out to me the hell in the plan, then that place became a real hell; and as I rolled myself there, my sufferings were intense. So I do say that I have undergone the punishments of hell.
"Narada said all this sincerely and so Vishnu was satisfied with the explanation.

Tales and parables of Sri Ramakrishna
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« Reply #1253 on: December 20, 2014, 10:32:07 AM »
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This is true of any path and not just 'self-enquiry'(By the way there are only two paths-the path of Sreyas and the path of preyas;all the rest are just techicalities!).What Sri Annamalai swami has said is that one need not take to a 'preparatory sadhana' in order to become fit for 'vichara'.This does not mean that he did not advocate any disciplined Living.Far from it.
Swami himself came to Sri Bhagavan when he was 18 or 19 and was disciplined under the guidance of Sri Bhagavan.When he took 'two sweets turning around a corner where no one could see him',Sri Bhagavan asked him-'What?Two helpings for you!'.This way Swami understood that wherever one is,one is always under the watchful eyes of the Guru-He developed this attitude.
Again when he was assailed by sexual thoughts,Sri Bhagavan made him stand on a hot rock.He was made to take the responsibility of constructing all the buildings without letting know anyone that all the suggestions came from Bhagavan-and he was made to face all the opposition from chinna Swami and others.
It is after all this and after the 'samadhi' experience , he followed the 'Neti,Neti' version only and advised the same to others as well.

So a lot of 'elimination' he had to do or was made to do-all this are part of sadhana

This is with regard to the comments of Sri Ravi in Anil's thread .
I concur with what Sri Ravi has said .Technically everyone is eligible for the direct path  but in practice only very few can start with it directly from the beginning . In this regard I wish to share what Swami Krishnananda ( Senior Disciple of Swami Sivananda ) advised one amewrican devotee who wanted to practice sadhana all alone in his place ( he was a foreigner who stayed in some Urban city in USA ) .Swami Krishnananda asked him apart from Sadhana what he will be doing in day to day life and he told that he is rich enough and does not have the necessity to do a 9-5 job and hence can do sadhana in his own house and being unmarried he has not much obligations and leads a simple life .Swami Krishnananda told him that technically it appears that he has a good conducive environment for practicing sadhana but he told that intitally he will enjoy it but later he will have to confront all the vasanas( especially the negative ones )  that will be eupting with great intensity and he will himself be confused and disgusted by the same .Swami Krishnananda said that when they were sadhaks Swami Sivananda gave them lot of work at the Rishikesh Ashram and made them wipe of many of the samskaras before he shaped them in their core areas and prescribed the appropriate sadhanas for each of them . He told that as young sadhaks they had the protective ring of the ashram environment as well as the protective ring of the Guru's direct energy in living form and yet many had to struggle and for this young chap in the absence of such a protection it is not advisable to do sadhana at home from the scratch and he told him that it is better he take some physical work ( even voluntary one ) at his place and keep the body and mind engaged in work and do a short sadhana and make a pilgrimage to Rishikesh or any other holy place and do sadhana in an ashram life environment  for  10 days yearly and then go back and slowly build up his sadhana at home till they are able to comfortbaly do their sadhana at their own places  . Even now many inmates of Sri Ramanaashram and those who have made Thiruvanamalai their home do daily Giri Pradakshina as a form of extrenal sadhana .In Rishikesh many Sadhus  walk along the banks of River Ganga for many Kilometers as a form of Ganga Parikrama and some even walk up to Gomukh /Gangotri and that will take many days . Swami Sivananda , Swami Chinmayananda ,Swami Tapovan etc have done many such trips  . Lot of vasanas have to be removed through some form of hard physical activity especially at the initial stages  and Bhagavan Ramana himself  gave lot of  activity to Sri Annamalai Swami before he advised him for full time meditation in solitude  . Swami Sivananda also did the same with many of his chief disciples .
Of course there are always  excpetions to this rule but the above is applicable to most of the people .
However many holy words you read, however many you speak, what good will they do you if you do not act on upon them? - Buddha

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« Reply #1254 on: December 20, 2014, 07:15:07 PM »
Friends,
There is a rhythm in nature-The earth is rotating and completes one rotation in 24 hrs giving rise to day and night.The Earth also goes around the sun in about 365 days and thereby giving rise to seasons -Spring,summer,autumn and winter.All living things also have a rhythm -The Plants and trees bloom and bring forth fruits  in their own season,the birds and animals  breathe at a certain rate and their heart beats at a certain rate and their life span depends on this,-Everywhere we find a certain order in Nature-Only human being has transgressed it in the name of civilization and progress.Much as modern day world has become complex,it still is part of the wisdom to fall in sync with the Rhythms of nature and take advantage of nature's restorative powers.The Predawn period and the Dusk are times quite ideal for quiet contemplation-and the inbetween period is best suited for activity and the night time is best suited for Rest and sleep.
This is the recommendation of all the wise ones-they have passed on this advice not as a 'Rule' imposed but as a piece of verifiable wisdom that each one can try ,know and benefit from.
An early morning walk is best but the same thing cannot be done when the sun is up and bearing mercilessly.An evening walk after sunset is good as well.
So for everything there is a time when it is best done-all that the body and the mind has to do.The spirit or self is beyond time and laws.

The eclipse is a phenomenon that occurs(both lunar and solar)at predictable intervals and it is interesting to note that even Sri Bhagavan used to refrain from eating as long as it lasts!Here is an excerpt from 'A Sadhu's Reminiscences':
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Bhagavan would never eat during an eclipse of the sun or moon, a custom that still continues in the Ashram, where food may only be cooked after the eclipse is finished. He told me that the stomach did not digest while the eclipse was proceeding and so it was bad for the health to eat at that time. However, he did not take the ritual bath at the beginning and end of an eclipse as is usual with orthodox Brahmins.

If we go through the daily routine in the asramam,it is as follows (from Krishna bhikshu's ramana Lila)

Around 5 A.M. the doors of the hall would be opened and several devotees, about to leave for the various teerthas for bath or for giri pradakshina would walk in and prostrate before Bhagavan. Vedic scholars would recite from the Upanishads.

Some others would sit for meditation. Yet others would recite Muruganar's hymns. During Dhanurmasa (December-January) Andal's `Tiruppavai' would be sung. At about 5.30, students of the Vedic school would come and recite Sri Ramana Chatvarimsat and Taittiriya Upanishad . By that time, lady devotees who had spent the preceding night in the town (as their stay at the Ashram during night was forbidden) would arrive.

By 6.30, Bhagavan would go for his bath and later go to the dining hall, where he would be served breakfast. Thereafter, Bhagavan would go towards the hill and ashramites would go about attending to their duties. These duties were varied, like collecting flowers from the garden and stringing them into garlands or bringing various items from the storeroom and getting them ready for cooking, or getting down to cooking or attending to the cattle in

the goshala. Some went to work in the Ashram office or the library. For those in the Vedic schools the duty was to offer worship three times a day at the Matrubhuteswara shrine, and at the images of Skanda, Ganesa or at Bhagavan's picture. On special occasions, special poojas were also offered.

By about 8 o' clock, Bhagavan would return to the sofa. Thereafter, devotees, visitors and disciples would assemble there. Usually silent meditation would be carried on. But those who looked upon Bhagavan as God would not keep silent and they would either recite the stotras written by them, or just show him their poems. They would also sing songs. Yet others would narrate their domestic problems to him!

By nine o'clock, Mouni would bring the day's post.

Bhagavan would have a look at the letters for about one hour and thereafter till eleven o'clock it was the same routine. By eleven Bhagavan would rise for lunch and till about two o'clock in the afternoon visitors did not disturb him. During this interval Bhagavan would glance through the newspapers or take some rest.

By 5.30 p.m. meditation would commence. It was a moment eagerly looked forward to by disciples. Peace would reign all around. As darkness fell and enveloped Arunachala it would appear as if life itself was being enveloped by ignorance. A little later students of the Vedic school would arrive and recite Rudram, Purusha-sooktam, Srisooktam and Upadesa-saram. Those sonorous notes would touch the foot of the hill. After a silent half an hour, recitation of various writings of Bhagavan would commence. By then the pooja at Matrubhuteswara shrine would be over. Thereafter women would have supper and go out of the Ashram into the town for the night.

After the night meal by about 8.30 p.m., disciples would gather round Bhagavan. It was a time when everyone was relaxed in Bhagavan's presence. After some time, everyone would depart after pranams to Bhagavan. The doors of the hall would then be closed. This was the usual daily routine.


It is always good to have an intelligent routine for all our activities and rather than looking at what others have to say or recommend,see if it works for ourselves.This is the only way we may verify Truth for ourselves and see how best we can attune ourselves.Spiritual sadhana depends on inner attitude(smarana) this can be maintained all the while irrespective of what we are engaged in outwardly and there need not be any conflict in this.

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« Reply #1255 on: December 21, 2014, 06:08:21 AM »
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« Reply #1256 on: December 21, 2014, 08:55:03 AM »
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« Reply #1257 on: December 22, 2014, 07:02:28 AM »
Truth need not hurt

AN ILLUMINED LOVE which never degenerates into attachment, A SUPERIOR DIGNITY untainted by the least trace of pride, a SUBLIME WISDOM which sheds light but not scorching heat these elements characterize true greatness, a spontaneous synthesis of truth and love, of strength and grace.

The truly great ones are whole and wholesome, not the victims of partial and mutually incompatible virtues so much apparent in lesser men. Their life as well as words reveal a fascinating harmony of rare qualities. Witness the struggles of the aspirant in whom one virtue can hardly co-exist with another; whose truth hurts, whose frankness is obviously 'brutal', whose sincerity is embarrassing, whose strength is withering, or whose sympathy and compassion only serve to encourage weaknesses.

It needs a perfected soul to harmonize strength and grace even under the most delicate and provocative of circumstances; and precisely one such was the Buddha, the Blessed One.

On one occasion his dear and remarkable disciple, Sariputra, approached the Guru in an exalted mood of adoration. After saluting reverently he took his seat by the Master?s side and burst into a high eulogy: 'Lord! There is none greater than you, the Blessed One; there never has been any, there never will be, and none other exists now - greater or wiser. That is what I think; that is my faith.'

The Blessed One was free to accept this praise and adoration, coming as it did from a sincere heart; free to approve of it and bask in its welcome warmth - the way many lesser teachers are often tempted to do.

Or like certain stern 'impersonalists'  he could have over-reacted, coming down heavily on the disciple and reduced him to pulp with stinging words and ridicule. None of the personality cult!


One way he could have inflated his own ego; the other way he could have broken and crushed that of the disciple. He did something infinitely better; made both shine out better.

Gently and calmly, he just put a counter-question: "Is that so Sariputra? Grand and bold indeed is your assertion. That means you have obviously known all the Blessed Ones of the whole past, and that thoroughly?"

Honest that he was, Sariputra would not try to defend his position emotionally. Plain was his answer. "How can I say that, Lord? I can?t."

A little pause, and the Buddha again inquired: "Then you must surely have known all the Blessed Ones yet to come, and that perfectly?"

Sariputra might have felt embarrassed but that did not come in the way of his truthfulness. So he replied:  "Not so, O Lord? I have not."

A little more pause and the Blessed One asked: "But then, at least you know me as the holy Buddha now alive, and you have penetrated my mind fully and completely?"

Sariputra could only say, "No Lord? Not that even."

The very nature of the question-answer process was enough to awaken the needed perspective in Sariputra's mind. That done, the Buddha clinched the issue saying, "You see then, Sariputra! You know not the hearts of the Buddhas of the past nor the future? nor even of myself. How then can you make such a grand and bold statement?"

Sariputra admitted that his statement was not based on knowledge of facts but on his own deep faith, and tried to explain himself.

"Great is your faith, Sariputra," declared the Blessed One appreciatively, yet at the same time adding the warning, "but take heed that it is well-grounded."

The superior teacher, the right kind of Guru he was, the Buddha would not destroy the disciple's faith nor allow it to run in wrong channels. He would not allow the other great ones to be belittled; but neither would he unnecessarily belittle himself, nor would he make the disciple feel small.

All concerned would be borne aloft by the uplifting breeze of gentle wisdom
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So it is no wonder that he declared on another occasion, "Those that take refuge in me with faith and devotion will get Svarga, paradise. Those who, with full faith, will follow my Dharma (the path of Truth) will become Buddhas like me."

Profiles in Greatness-Swami Sastrananda
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« Reply #1258 on: December 22, 2014, 11:29:38 AM »
Dear sirs,


How to do karma  with out applying our mind? For every karma we need mind especially when we do for others.  IRU/ KADAMAIYAI CHEI. Without involvement if the work is taken place, there may not be good result.

There are senior members in this forum who can give a clear answer.

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« Reply #1259 on: December 22, 2014, 02:06:56 PM »
Dear ramanaduli,

You can do karma without applying your mind.  For e.g. when you are busy thinking about some problems in the office,
and when your wife serves breakfast, you take it even without applying your mind on the breakfast. There are several
such examples.  In deep sleep, when a mosquito bites you, you swat it without even applying your mind. Some sleep
and while snoring, do they apply their minds to know that they are snoring?  When you digest your food, do you constantly
think that you are digesting your food?  No. A Bank cashier counts the notes while talking to the customer. Does he count
the notes applying his mind?

Arunachala Siva.