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« Reply #1230 on: November 18, 2014, 05:28:56 PM »
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« Reply #1231 on: November 25, 2014, 10:19:49 AM »
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« Reply #1232 on: November 25, 2014, 05:06:02 PM »
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« Reply #1233 on: November 25, 2014, 05:07:03 PM »
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« Reply #1234 on: November 27, 2014, 09:50:55 AM »
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« Reply #1235 on: November 28, 2014, 04:52:31 PM »
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« Reply #1236 on: November 29, 2014, 04:44:36 PM »
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« Reply #1237 on: November 29, 2014, 05:09:38 PM »
Hara Centering by Osh0 - worth trying when going to sleep at night

?In the night when you go to sleep, lie down on the bed and put both your hands two inches below the navel, and press a little. Then start breathing, deep breathing, and you will feel that center coming up and down with the breathing. Feel your whole energy there as if you are shrinking and shrinking and shrinking and you are just existing there as a small center, very concentrated energy. Just do this for ten, fifteen minutes, and then fall asleep.

?You can fall asleep doing it; that will be helpful. Then the whole night that centering persists. Again and again the unconscious goes and centers there. So the whole night without your knowing, you will be coming in many ways in deep contact with the center.

?In the morning, the moment that you feel that sleep has gone, don't open the eyes first. Again put your hands there, push a little, start breathing; again feel the hara. Do this for ten or fifteen minutes and then get up. Do this every night, every morning. Within three months you will start feeling centered.?

-Osho
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« Reply #1238 on: December 01, 2014, 10:18:45 PM »
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« Reply #1239 on: December 02, 2014, 09:15:09 PM »
Today i.e Tue 2 Dec 2014 beeing the Gita Jayanthi Day sharing an excellent talk by Swami Tejomayananda on "Practical application of the Bhagavad Geeta in Daily Life ".He has excellentlt summarised the essence of Gita in this talk .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rRokRTEMZ8&list=TLA4K4_mUUevk
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« Reply #1240 on: December 03, 2014, 11:28:40 AM »
Gita Jayanti ? Bhagavad Geeta Jayanthi
http://www.hindu-blog.com/2008/11/gita-jayanti-2008-bhagavad-geeta.html

Gita Jayanti, also referred as Bhagawad Geetha Jayanthi, is the day when the Bhagvad Gita was rendered by Sri Krishna to Arjuna in the Kurukshetra on the first day of the famous 18-day battle in the Mahabharata. In 2014, the date of Gita Jayanti is December 2. Gita Jayanthi falls on the Ekadashi day of Shukla Paksha (the bright half) of the Margashirsha month (November-December) in traditional Hindi calendar.

The greatest quality of Bhagavad Gita is that it prompts you to think, it prompts you to take decision, and it prompts you to look at life differently and refreshingly and all this without surrendering your individuality.


Bhagavad Gita adapts to the present and discusses an issue by rooting itself in the present. Every moment a confused Arjuna opens the Gita to take the advice of Krishna. And through the immortal Bhagavad Gita, Lord Krishna has been discussing and debating and finding solutions to the various problems faced by the confused Arjunas for centuries and will continue to do the same forever.

The day is observed all around the world with the reading of Bhagavad Gita, which is referred outside India as the Bible of the Hindus. Discussions and seminars are organized on the day.

All Hindu temples, especially those dedicated to BhagvanVishnu and Sri Krishna, conduct special pujas on the day.

The ideal way to celebrate Gita Jayanti is by reading at least a stanza from the Bhagavad Gita.
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« Reply #1241 on: December 04, 2014, 06:44:37 AM »
Friends,

An excerpt from The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna:

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The Reality is one and the same. The difference is only in name. He who is Brahman is verily Atman, and again, He is the Bhagavan. He is Brahman to the followers of the path of knowledge, Paramatman to the yogis, and Bhagavan to the lovers of God.

Pure consciousness is God .This pure consciousness is what is called Brahman ,paramatman and Bhagavan.Whether one follows 'Who am I' or 'Devotion to God' one is delving into this consciousness only.The starting point may differ but once past that,it is pure consciousness alone that is the essence.

Namaskar.

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« Reply #1242 on: December 04, 2014, 07:17:29 AM »
Friends,

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Pure consciousness is God .This pure consciousness is what is called Brahman ,paramatman and Bhagavan.Whether one follows 'Who am I' or 'Devotion to God' one is delving into this consciousness only.The starting point may differ but once past that,it is pure consciousness alone that is the essence.

I thought I would clarify how the starting point is different,and once one is past that-all paths converge.

First in the so called path of Devotion-We have this excerpt from The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna:

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There is another kind of bhakti, known as vaidhi-bhakti, according to which one must repeat the name of God a fixed number of times, fast, make pilgrimages, worship God with prescribed offerings, make so many sacrifices, and so forth and so on. By continuing such practices a long time one gradually acquires raga-bhakti. God cannot be realized until one has raga-bhakti. One must love God. In order to realize God one must be completely free from worldliness and direct all of one's mind to Him.

But some acquire raga-bhakti directly. It is innate in them. They have it from their very childhood. Even at an early age they weep for God. An instance of such bhakti is to be found in Prahlada. Vaidhi-bhakti is like moving a fan to make a breeze. One needs the fan to make the breeze. Similarly, one practises japa, austerity, and fasting, in order to acquire
love of God. But the fan is set aside when the southern breeze blows of itself. Such actions as japa and austerity drop away when one spontaneously feels love and attachment for God
. Who, indeed, will perform the ceremonies enjoined in the scriptures, when mad with love of God?

Devotion to God may be said to be 'green' so long as it doesn't grow into love of God; but it becomes 'ripe' when it has grown into such love.

In 'Who am I' enquiry as well,as long as thoughts are assailing one and one keeps redirecting one's attention by seeking 'To whom these thoughts are occuring' and then onto 'Who am I'-As long as one is caught up in this struggle,it is only the 'Green' or 'unripe' Variety only.It is only when the mind falls quiescent and the pure consciousness is experienced and one delves in it-it may be said that one is dipping the mind in its source.

In this stage,one may say -'Not to detach from the Self' and another may say 'Not to let go of God' and they both mean the same thing-Only words are different.

However and whatever one does,The goal is to dip the mind in the essence of pure consciousness -and disconnecting it from the body consciousness,the limited consciousness.

The true seeker would strive to realize this,rather than trying to prove the supremacy or exclusiveness of one path over the other.Especially for the so called 'devotees of Bhagavan'
we should realize that 'Bhagavan' is 'Brahman' and "atman' .As a devotee,we like to call him as Bhagavan,and again in another sense,we like to call him as atma or Self.

This is exactly what Sri Ramakrishna has said so wonderfully in that statement.

Namaskar.

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« Reply #1243 on: December 04, 2014, 07:16:26 PM »
Friends,
Here is verse 5 of Thayumanavar's paripoorananandam:

சந்ததமும் எனதுசெயல் நினதுசெயல் யானெனுந்
      தன்மைநினை யன்றியில்லாத்
   தன்மையால் வேறலேன்
வேதாந்த சித்தாந்த்த
     சமரச சுபாவமிதுவே

இந்தநிலை தெளியநான் நெக்குருகிவாடிய
     இயற்கைதிரு வுளமறியுமே
  இன்நிலையி லேசற் றிருக்கஎன் றால்மடமை
    இதசத்ரு வாகவந்து
சிந்தைகுடி கொள்ளுதே மலமாயை கன்மந்
     திரும்புமோ தொடுவழக்காய்ச்
   சென்மம்வரு மோஎனவும் யோசிக்கு தேமனது
    சிரத்தைஎனும் வாளும்உதவிப்
பந்தமற மெய்ஞ்ஞானதீரமும் தந்தெனைப்
     பாதுகாத் தருள்செய்குவாய்

   பார்க்குமிட மெங்குமொருநீக்கமற நிறைகின்ற
     பரிபூர ணானந்தமே.


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« Reply #1244 on: December 05, 2014, 07:20:07 AM »
Friends,
It is only the untrained external mind that sees fundamental differences in the teachings of various masters.The differences are all in the outer expressions and details but not in the fundamental essence.

I am sharing a few examples here to bring this out.

Here is an excerpt from Day by Day with Bhagavan:

A visitor asked, ?What should one, who is an absolute beginner, do in this (i.e., spiritual) line??
Bhagavan: The very fact that you put this question shows you know what to do. It is because you feel the want of peace, that you are anxious to take some steps to secure peace. Because
I have a little pain in my foot, I am applying this ointment.
Visitor: What is the method to be adopted for securing peace?
B: The conception that there is a goal and a path to it, is wrong. We are the goal or peace always. To get rid of the notion that we are not peace is all that is required.
V: All books say that the guidance of a Guru is necessary.
B: The Guru will say only what I am saying now. He will not give you anything you have not already. It is impossible for anyone to get what he has not got already. Even if he gets any such thing, it will go as it came. What comes will also go. What always is will alone remain. The Guru cannot give you anything new, which you have not already. Removal of the notion that we have not realised the Self is all that is required. We are always the Self. Only, we don?t realise it.

We have this excerpt from Sri Aurobindo:

Nothing can be taught to the mind which is not already concealed as potential knowledge in the unfolding soul of the creature. So also all perfection of which the outer man is capable, is only a realising of the eternal perfection of the Spirit within him. We know the Divine and become the Divine, because we are That already in our secret nature. All teaching is a revealing, all becoming is an unfolding. Self-attainment is the secret; self-knowledge and an increasing consciousness are the means and the process.


The same fundamental Truth and approach to that is implied in both the sayings.It is just that one expression may appeal to some and another expression appeals to few others.This is all there to it.
Namaskar