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Ravi.N

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Re: Unreality of the world
« Reply #30 on: April 07, 2012, 07:56:37 PM »
Friends,
An excerpt from The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna:
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"But the universe and its created beings, and the twenty-four cosmic principles, all exist
because God exists. Nothing remains if God is eliminated. The number increases if you put
many zeros after the figure one; but the zeros don't have any value if the one is not there
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Namaskar.

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Re: Unreality of the world
« Reply #31 on: April 07, 2012, 09:41:04 PM »
Very wise and true! Thank you for this quotation, Sri Ravi!
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Re: Unreality of the world
« Reply #32 on: April 10, 2012, 03:45:22 PM »
Dear sirs - In my opinion, "unreal" only means something which is not ever existent and ever present. "real" is ever present. If something looks to be existent today and is not existent tomorrow, it is unreal. The classic definition of brahma satyam, jagath midhya. "unreal" is mithya in the sense here - per what I have understood, sirs. Lord says this in Gita too that "Only I existed before all of these and will exist after all of these". that ONE is real.
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Re: Unreality of the world
« Reply #33 on: April 10, 2012, 04:20:52 PM »
Dear ganesh,

Yes. That is why it is called mithya in Sanskrit. Mithya is seemingly real or seemingly unreal, ever changing and not eternal.

All except Brahman is changing. Brahman is changless, achalam, Arunachala, but eternal.


Every cell in our body changes in seven years. Old cells die and new cells form. Teeth fall away one by one. Skin becomes
wrinkled. Eye becomes dull. Hairs become white and cottony. Some even lose hairs and become bald. But the Heart is
eternal.  Heart is Atma, Arunachala, Brahman and is eternal.

See Verse 2 of Sri Arunachala Pancharatnam rendered in Tamizh and Sanskrit by Sri Bhagavan.

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Re: Unreality of the world
« Reply #34 on: April 11, 2012, 12:51:22 AM »
Accidentally I found this conversation between Lord Ramana and a visitor:

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A visitor: “The Supreme Spirit (Brahman) is Real. The world (jagat) is illusion,” is the stock phrase of Sri Sankaracharya. Yet others say, “The world is reality”. Which is true?

M.: Both statements are true. They refer to different stages of development and are spoken from different points of view. The aspirant (abhyasi) starts with the definition, that which is real exists always; then he eliminates the world as unreal because it is changing. It cannot be real; ‘not this, not this!’ The seeker ultimately reaches the Self and there finds unity as the prevailing note. Then, that which was originally rejected as being unreal is found to be a part of the unity. Being absorbed in the Reality, the world also is Real. There is only being in Self-Realisation, and nothing but being. Again Reality is used in a different sense and is applied loosely by some thinkers to objects. They say that the reflected (adhyasika) Reality admits of degrees which are named:
(1) Vyavaharika satya (everyday life) - this chair is seen by me
and is real.
(2) Pratibhasika satya (illusory) - Illusion of a serpent in a
coiled rope. The appearance is real to the man who thinks so.
This phenomenon appears at a point of time and under certain
circumstances.
(3) Paramartika satya (ultimate) - Reality is that which remains the same always and without change. If Reality be used in the wider sense the world may be said to have the everyday life and illusory degrees (vyavaharika and pratibhasika satya). Some, however, deny even the reality of practical life - vyavaharika satya and consider it to be only projection of the mind. According to them it is only pratibhasika satya, i.e., an illusion.
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