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Re: The Siva Linga
« Reply #15 on: March 26, 2012, 06:41:52 PM »
Dear Friends,

my understanding is that there is no difference between Jnana and bhakthi. Bhakthi is Jnana Matha, said Bhagavan. One is never without the other. To diferentiate between Bhathi and Jnana is only ignorance.

in my humble understanding, it is not jnana, when we say, Jnana without Bhakthi is blind, it is ego, that is blind and not jnana. Jnana can never be blind!

True Jnana should not be inferred as without Bhava. Jnana does have Bhava. Jnana is not something like stone. That is a misunderstanding about jnana. Bhava is not an exclusive property of Bhathi alone. we need to open our horizons and open forth.

All these only originates, only if one sees difference between Jnana and Bhakthi.

there is no difference!

Why segregate people as Jnani or Bhathan? why not see the same soul in everybody?

Sarva Bhoota Nivaasosi, Vasudeva Namostute.

In Every being, resides, Vasudeva, I prostrate to him.

Whether a Bhakthan or a Jnani, one should see only Vasudeva or Self in everybody. Only if we see the gross body all these notions come about!

Even if i did say that the Self is only Abhisheka Priya, it is only Atma Linga, is he not there in us? More than anywhere else?

The Bhaktha who does rituals prays

deho devAlayaH proktaH jIvo devaH sanAtanaH
tyajedaj~nAna nirmAlyam soham bhAvena pUjayet
The body is a temple. The jIva is the eternal Lord.  May one remove the withered flowers in the form of ignorance and worship the Lord, knowing that He is non-separate from oneself.

I reproduce this wonderful story of Namdev as narrated by Bhagavan

Devotee : Is it possible to speak to Iswara as Sri Ramakrishna
Ramana Maharshi : When we can speak to each other why should we not speak to Iswara in the same way?

Devotee :Then why does it not happen with us?
Ramana Maharshi : It requires purity and strength of mind and practice in meditation.

Devotee : Does God become evident if the above conditions
Ramana Maharshi : Such manifestation is as real as your own reality. In other words, when you identify yourself with the body as in jagrat you see gross objects; when in subtle body or in mental plane as in swapna, you see objects equally subtle; in
the absence of identification as in sushupti you see nothing.

The objects seen bear a relation to the state of the seer. The
same applies to visions of God. By long practice the figure of God, as meditated upon, appears in dream and may later appear in jagrat also.

Devotee : Is that the state of God-realisation?
Ramana Maharshi : Listen to what happened once years ago.

Vithoba found Namdev had not yet realised the Supreme Truth and wanted to teach him. When Jnaneswar and Namdev returned from their pilgrimage, Gora Kumbhar gave a feast to all the saints in his place and among them were Jnaneswar and Namdev. At the feast Jnaneswar, in collusion with Gora, told Gora publicly, “You are a potter, daily engaged in making pots and testing them to see which are properly baked and which are not.

These pots before you (i.e., the saints) are the pots of Brahma. See which of these are sound and which not.”
Thereupon Gora said, “Yes, Swami, I shall do so,” and took up
the stick with which he used to tap his pots to test their soundness.

Holding it aloft in his hand he went to each of his guests and
tapped each on the head as he usually did to his pots. Each guest
humbly submitted to such tapping. But when Gora approached
Namdev, the latter indignantly called out, “You potter, what do
you mean by coming to tap me with that stick?”

Gora thereupon told Jnaneswar, “Swami, all the other pots have been properly baked. This one (i.e. Namdev) alone is not yet properly baked.” All the assembled guests burst into laughter.

Namdev felt greatly humiliated and ran up to Vitthala (the deity he worshipped) with whom he was on the most intimate terms, playing with him, eating with him, sleeping with him and so on. Namdev complained of this humiliation which had happened to him, the closest friend and companion of Vitthala.

Vitthala (who of course knew all this) pretended to sympathise with him, asked for all the details of the happenings at Gora’s house and after hearing everything said, “Why should you not have kept quiet and submitted to the tapping, as all the others did? That is why all this trouble has come.”

Thereupon Namdev cried all the more and said, “You also want to join the others and humiliate me. Why should I have submitted like the others? Am I not your closest friend, your child?” Vitthala said, “You have not yet properly understood the truth, and you won’t understand if I tell you. But go to the saint who is in a ruined temple in such and such a forest. He will be able to give you enlightenment.”
Namdev accordingly went there and found an old, unassuming man sleeping in a corner of the temple with his feet on a Sivalingam. Namdev could hardly believe this was the man from whom he – the companion of Vitthala – was to gain enlightenment. However, as there was none else there, Namdev went near the man and clapped his hands.

The old man woke up with a start and seeing Namdev, said, “Oh –
you are Namdev whom Vitthala has sent here. Come!” Namdev was dumbfounded and began to think, “This must be a great man.” Still he thought it was revolting that any man however great, should be resting his feet on a lingam.

He asked the old man, “You seem to be a great personage. But is it proper for you to have your feet on a lingam?” The old man replied,
“Oh, are my feet on a lingam? Where is it? Please remove my feet elsewhere.” Namdev removed the feet and put them in various places. Wherever they were put, there was a Sivalingam.

Finally, he took them on his lap and he himself became a Sivalingam! Then he realised the truth and the old gentleman said, “Now you can go back.”

Bhagavan added, “It is to be noted that only when he surrendered himself, and touched the feet of his guru, enlightenment came. After this final enlightenment Namdev returned to his house and for some days did not go to Vitthala at the temple, though it had been his habit not only to visit Vitthala every day, but to spend most of his time with Vitthala at the temple.

So, after a few days, Vitthala went to Namdev’s house and like a guileless soul, enquired how it was that Namdev had forgotten him and never visited him. Namdev replied, ‘No more of your fooling me. I know now. Where is the place where you are not! To be with you, should I go to the temple? Do I exist apart from you?’ Then Vitthala said, ‘So you now understand the truth. That is why you had to be sent for this final lesson’.”

Salutations to Bhagavan

Dear Nagaraj,

Without going through your replies in detail,  I pondered over this for some time.  To reply and differ to you,  it requires atleast the same degree of sadhana you are adopting in your daily life.  Atleast I dont have that much thejas and ojas.  So the words and the points you are driving at ,  must have a deeper meaning than what appears to me.  The english words of you may be simple,  but it is not the same interpretation everyone gets.   So  I think you are right in every aspect.  You have been practicing jnana yoga very sincerely and in your high state some words sprout quite  naturally . Atleast compared to me , it wont be adulterated by the ego sense. So hats off to your revealings.

Please write more -- you have attained mumukshutvam.  I am not an object appearing to kindle your self satisfaction,  what I request is go ahead and finish your sadhana,  go to that doerless state.  We all will be benefitted  Because all are really a manifestation of the same 'you' or 'I' only.


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Re: The Siva Linga
« Reply #16 on: March 26, 2012, 08:45:46 PM »
Dear Krishnan,

thank you :) sure, i will keep sharing my musings whenever it happens.

what I request is go ahead and finish your sadhana,  go to that doerless state.  We all will be benefitted  Because all are really a manifestation of the same 'you' or 'I' only.

i see, in my limited light of discernment that one can never know when one finishes his sadhana, in the same way as one never knew when his sadhana begun. even if one does go to the doerless state, one can never know the doerless state, being that. Yes, i do benefit by sharing with you, as 'You' are 'I' or rather i would say, i want to play this game as i want to, still want to, i do so, because i want to, this is the reality, even if it benefits you, it is only because 'i' want so.

....... some cosmic games ::)

Salutations to Bhagavan
॥ शांतमात्मनि तिष्ट ॥
Remain quietly in the Self.
~ Vasishta