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Jyoti

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Mukti sthalas outside of India?
« on: March 09, 2012, 02:23:55 AM »
Are there mukti sthalas outside of India?

Nagaraj

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Re: Mukti sthalas outside of India?
« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2012, 02:40:37 AM »
Dear Jyoti,

No. There are no Mukti Sthalas outside of Bharata country.

In a deeper sense, ones own self is the Mukthi Sthala, all the external Mukti Sthalas are only symbolic representation of the Self, the Mukti Sthala.

Salutations to Bhagavan
« Last Edit: March 09, 2012, 02:53:47 AM by Nagaraj »
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Re: Mukti sthalas outside of India?
« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2012, 02:44:07 AM »
In a deeper sense, ones own self is the Mukthi Sthala, all the external Mukti Sthalas are only representation of the Self, the Mukti Sthala.
Yes, I understand.
But I want to know if outside of India such places as Kashi exist, were dying confers moksha.
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Nagaraj

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Re: Mukti sthalas outside of India?
« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2012, 02:52:00 AM »
Not precisely, because, in those country where vedic religion does not exist, other religions (generallY) do not have THE concept about Mukti at all.

Or, we can infer, Jerusalam or Mecca to be a Mukti Sthala.

But I don't know, if people of that religion have any such belief such as Mukti Sthala for even such places.

Which is why, India is called Karma Bhoomi, for outside of India, none of the Shastras are applicable, and the elders used to say, one should not cross the Seas and go away from India, it is Shastrically not allowed.

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Re: Mukti sthalas outside of India?
« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2012, 03:22:11 AM »
Dear Jyoti,

Some more thoughts...

But a believer of Vedas, makes his own Mukthi Sthala, where ever he is. Today, we have many indians who are resident of many countries, and the small community has built their own colony and temples. we have temples of all vedic faith in most countries. we have temples for Raghavendra(Duality), we have temples of Sharada/Shankaracharya (Advaita) and also of Vishnu/Ramanujacharya as well, also, apart from this we also have the Swaminarayan temples, Shakti temples, practicers of Sri Vidya. And of course we have the modern day Gurus, who preach vedic truths abroad.

Today we have Shaiva Sidhanta Churches sprouting in many places.

It is our Vedas that was first to proclaim,

वसुधैव कुटुम्बकम "Vasudeva Kutumbakam"

that means that the whole world is one single family and allmost all religions agree to this that there is "soul" and as Bhagavan says, lets first realise this "soul" and only then would all theories make any sense! if at all!

Therefore, a believer of Vedas, is ever at home, where ever he may be.

Salutations to Bhagavan
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Re: Mukti sthalas outside of India?
« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2012, 07:42:26 AM »
Dear Jyoti,

No. There are no Mukti Sthalas outside of Bharata country.

In a deeper sense, ones own self is the Mukthi Sthala, all the external Mukti Sthalas are only symbolic representation of the Self, the Mukti Sthala.

Salutations to Bhagavan

Dear Nagaraj,

Actually  we cannot simply say that the Mukthi sthalas described in scriputes are mere symbolic representation and that jnana alone confers liberation.

There seems to be some mysterious power ,  the power is operating only if someone believes the particular benefit of a holy place.

For instance,  dying in kashi guarantees liberation.  This is confirmed time and again,  eye to eye witness in our recent times being  Ramakrishna Paramahamasa when he visited Kashi.  He says that he saw with his physical eyes,  parvathi -- parameshwara granting liberation to anyone and everyone dying in kashi.

But from what I guess,  Ishwara may add an impediment to this , that impediment is that , if we dont take that statement with full faith and conviction.   If we ourselves,  come to the conclusion that "no it is not quite possible",   then Ishwara may not give away that great liberation that easily.

Otherwise,  I personally believe,  those who has full faith and conviction in the statement of the scripture ,  and also those  who has not even heard of such a mechanism and innocently did not either believe or disbelieve,  both these categories will get liberated in Kashi by dying.  And let us not miss that oppurtunity  by adding our limited 'intelect' interpretation,  thereby falling into a rejected category.

The words of a great being like Paramahamsa Ramakrishna acknowleding the great benefit of Kashi cannot be otherwise conditional.  So let us not qualify,  add our own condition.

Sarada devi the wife of Ramakarishna Paramahamsa also says that God sometimes grant liberation just like that,  because  it is something already there and by His will,  he can always choose to end a jiva's samsara for no reason at all.



Kashi is definitely one such place --  where beyond doubt,  many scriptures,  many religions regard it as Holy.  It is important in buddhism and janism also.   Even the staunch vaishnavas,  who otherwise dont accept Shiva,  even they interpret like Shiva gives rama mantra upadesa to jivas dying in Kashi thereby granting them liberation.  So there is something to it,  let us not make Ishwara double think this 'easy' path  by our limited intellect interpretation.

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Re: Mukti sthalas outside of India?
« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2012, 01:27:36 PM »

Dear Jyoti and others,

Why worry about Mukti Sthalas outside India?  In fact, in the ordinary sense only Bharat is the Jnana bhoomi. However,
if one takes the esoteric sense in which Sri Bhagavan explained about Kasi, Chidambaram, Tiruvarur and Arunachala, one
can attain mukti anywhere, provided one remembers the Light of Realization while dying. 
Wolter Kiers and Mouni Sadhu died outside India. But both have attained liberation. They remembered the Light of Realization
or thought about the Heart or Seat of Consciousness while dying.

Srimad Bhagavatam  tells the story of one Ajamila who simply called his son's name Narayanan and  died.  He is said to have
attained mukti.  To be conscious and having a good thought are important requisites for liberation while dying. Good thought
will not easily come to one while dying, if he had lead a unrighteous life. Surely he must be thinking of something else, his wealth,
his wife, his property, or the loans given to others not yet repaid  by them -- etc., etc.,


Arunachala Siva.
   

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Re: Mukti sthalas outside of India?
« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2012, 05:57:24 PM »
Dear Krishnan, Friends,

I reproduce here, Sri Adi Shankaracharya's Kashi Panchakam:

मनोनिवृत्तिः परमोपशान्तिः
सा तीर्थवर्या मणिकर्णिका च.
ज्ञानप्रवाहा विमलादिगङ्गा
सा काशिकाहं निजबोधरूपा (1)


manonivṛttiḥ paramopaśāntiḥ
sā tīrthavaryā maṇikarṇikā ca |
jñānapravāhā vimalādigaṅgā
sā kāśikāhaṁ nijabodharūpā | | 1 | |

Calming the mind and the (bringing) the complete pacification,
It is the best tirtha, it is Manikarnika.
The flow of knowledge, pure Ganges
This Kashik and this - I am the embodiment of pure awareness.

यस्यामिदं कल्पितमिन्द्रजालं
चराचरं भाति मनोविलासम्.
सच्चित्सुखैका परमात्मरूपा
सा काशिकाहं निजबोधरूपा(2)


yasyāmidaṁ kalpitamindrajālaṁ
carācaraṁ bhāti manovilāsam |
saccitsukhaikā paramātmarūpā
sā kāśikāhaṁ nijabodharūpā | | 2 | |

The one in which all conjured up the illusion
All movable and immovable is shown as a mind game,
The form of Paramatma, Truth, Consciousness and Bliss,
This Kashik and this - I am the embodiment of pure awareness.
कोशेषु पञ्चस्वधिराजमाना
बुद्धिर्भवानी प्रतिदेहगेहम्.
साक्शी शिवः सर्वगतोन्तरात्मा
सा काशिकाहं निजबोधरूपा(3)


kośeṣu pañcasvadhirājamānā
buddhirbhavānī pratidehageham |
sākśī śivaḥ sarvagato'ntarātmā
sā kāśikāhaṁ nijabodharūpā | | 3 | |

Five cover (panchakosha) reigns
Bhavani, mind, living in the house of each body.
And Shiva, Witness, The true essence of all
This Kashik and this - I am the embodiment of pure awareness.

काश्यां हि काश्यते काशी काशी सर्वप्रकाशिका.
सा काशी विदिता येन तेन प्राप्ता हि काशिका(4)


kāśyāṁ hi kāśyate kāśī kāśī sarvaprakāśikā |
sā kāśī viditā yena tena prāptā hi kāśikā | | 4 | |

Kashi shines in Kashye , Kashi illuminates everything
As Kashi is known as Kashi is achieved.

काशीक्शेत्रं शरीरं त्रिभुवन - जननी व्यापिनी ज्ञानगङ्गा.
भक्तिः श्रद्धा गयेयं निजगुरु - चरणध्यानयोगः प्रयागः.
विश्वेशोयं तुरीयः सकलजन - मनःसाक्शिभूतोन्तरात्मा
देहे सर्वं मदीये यदि वसति पुनस्तीर्थमन्यत्किमस्ति(5)


kāśīkśetraṁ śarīraṁ tribhuvana-jananī vyāpinī jñānagaṅgā |
bhaktiḥ śraddhā gayeyaṁ nijaguru-caraṇadhyānayogaḥ prayāgaḥ |
viśveśo'yaṁ turīyaḥ sakalajana-manaḥsākśibhūto'ntarātmā
dehe sarvaṁ madīye yadi vasati punastīrthamanyatkimasti | | 5 | |

Kashikshetra - this body, Mother of three worlds, all-pervading, the Ganges of knowledge,
Devotion and faith - Gaya refuge with clean feet of Guru and meditation - Prayag,
Lord of the world - turiya, a witness in every man and his inner being.
If all this is in my body, what else can be a place of pilgrimage?


Salutations to Bhagavan
« Last Edit: March 09, 2012, 06:05:41 PM by Nagaraj »
॥ शांतमात्मनि तिष्ट ॥
Remain quietly in the Self.
~ Vasishta