Author Topic: If everything in life is predestined, where is the scope to use our intelligence  (Read 1664 times)


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Whoever told you that everything is destined? Nothing is destined. It is just that unconsciously you have made yourself into a certain possibility. You create certain tendencies within you with your unconsciousness, and according to the tendencies you keep moving in that direction. The destiny you are talking about is something you created unconsciously; you can also create it consciously.

The moment you utter the word spirituality, whether you realise it or not, what you are actually saying is: 'I want to take my destiny into my hands'. It doesn't matter what my karma says. The moment you say 'I want to walk a spiritual path', or 'I want to move towards liberation', you are saying 'I want to take my destiny into my hands'. If you know where you want to go, you better take destiny into your hands; otherwise, you will exist here as an accidental being.

There is a limited sense of destiny working, there is no ultimate destiny. In a limited sense, the accumulations that you have within you form a certain attitude and tendency within themselves and it starts moving in that direction. It is not because somebody is guiding it in that direction. Simply because your tendencies are such, you are going that way.

Now, the river that is born on top of the mountain, at one place it's a brook, at another place it's a waterfall, in yet another place it is just a meandering river. Somewhere else, it has become a wide estuary to join the ocean. Then it becomes the ocean. Is this the river's destiny? No, this is the water's tendency. To constantly move from one place to another depending upon the levels that are there. If the oceans were placed high, the rivers wouldn't go to the ocean.

Strip yourself of all fancy stories and come to terms with life. The river is not longing to go to the ocean, although your poet said so. Water just finds its own level and keeps going, that's all. If you dam it, the river is not sitting there and crying, "I want to go to the ocean." It's poetry; let's enjoy poetry, but reality is different.

Like they say in Zen: When you're an ignorant person, rivers are just rivers, trees are just trees, mountains are just mountains and clouds are just clouds. Once you become a seeker, rivers are no more just rivers, trees are not just trees, mountains are not just mountains, clouds are not just clouds - everything takes on a different dimension. But if you reach out, if you become enlightened, once again rivers are rivers, trees are trees, mountains are mountains and clouds are clouds. Then what's the point?

If you are ignorant, it is the same way, if you are enlightened it is the same way. Yes. An enlightened person is just as good as an utter fool, but in a completely different world. An enlightened person is not in any way special the way you know special, because your idea of special is adding parts to yourself. Isn't it? Your idea of special is that you start identifying yourself with many things and become special. In that sense he is not special, he is more ordinary than the ordinary but it is a full circle. It's a different dimension of existence all together.

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dear Prashanth,
As a response to this post I feel to the best of my knowledge Bhagavan mentioned that everything is predestined but he also mentioned that some things can be changed by God,etc .
Since Bhagavan also mentioned that since only the inner throught process is in our control ,what could possibly happen is that when we pray fervently  we invoke God and  God grants our wish if it is sincere , good for us and not detrimental to others .
But probably such incidents contrary to our destiny is rare and requires great energy (copncentrated prayer etc).Bhagavan probably wanted us to concentrate on self enquiry and use the above mentioned energy for self enquiry rather than changing our course of events in an ephimeral world whose existence itself was questionable.
Sundaram Anand


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well said anand garu.


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Dear prasanth,

No doubt Sri Bhagavan has said that everything is pre-destined. When Devaraja Mudaliar asked whether even simple things
like lifting a hand fan from the floor, fanning with it for some time, and then leaving the fan back on the floor - are predestined.

"All things are controlled by God. Our job is to remain silent. Whatever is destined to happen, will happen, however much we try
to avoid, whatever is not destined to happen, will not happen however much you put forth efforts. Hence it is better to be silent."     

This is the upadesa, He had given to Mother Azhagamma.

Now, the question is where is the place for free will? The free will can be operated by a person, only when God wills it so!
The free will is nothing but God's will operating!

If we remain silent placing faith in Sri Bhagavan, things will happen in a good way only.

Arunachala Siva.